Hi Everybody, I have an Army Record for James Charles Brooks. He was in the Royal Engineers, from 1861 for 23 years. He rietired with Pension. As usual many questions. His marriage to Thomasina Ann Cope at Folkestone in 1872 (without leave) was mentioned, so I know this is definately the right one!!!!! Thomasina had 2 children baptised as a single women in 1871 1 aged 3 one 4. These are not James' as he was overseas at the time. What I am wondering is, she had 3 further children James Charles in Ireland 1881, Caroline 1883 either  Chatham or Rochester, depending on either 1891 or 1901 census. Plus Catherine,  either Rochester or Middx, once again depending on census. Would these children have been mentioned on his papers? James died most likely died 1890 (another cert to add to the list) Thomasina married William Flint, June qtr 1890. After James died, would his pension have been paid to her as his widow. James'  medical records list in 1869 while in Mauritius that he had Gonorrhea and was treated with injection and capsule. Was this curable in 1869? would this have had any lasting effects. Sorry but I like to know all the nitty gritty. Best wishes, Sylvia in Aus.

It's Freeschool Street. As there are no numbers it is probably; _Black Bull,_ (http://www.deadpubs.co.uk/LondonPubs/SouthwarkStJohn/BlackBull.shtml) 46 Freeschool Street, Southwark St John Horsleydown 1869/Thomas Winterbotham/../../../Post Office Directory **** 1871/Henry Thos Winterbotham/Licensed Victuallers Son/18/Newington Surrey/Census *** Best regards Lozzie T

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Just recently I found my grandfathers JOHN THOMAS SIMS had a brother HENRY SIMS. He was born 7 January 1881 in Scotland, to JOHN THOMAS AND ELLEN LUCY SIMS . They moved back to England sometime between 1981 and 1891. HENRY married a GERTRUDE EMMA TRING in 1907 and had two sons HARRY CHARLES 1909 AND ARTHUR EARNEST 1911 both born Croydon. I have found the family on the 1911 census living at 2 Croydon road, Penge. . It states that Henry was a Furman. (Whatever that is). I found his army service record on Ancestry and seems that he spent years in the army and was away from England at war, hence could not find him on the 1901 census. He was in the Royal West Surrey Regiment. Also on his army records it states the my grandfather JOHN THOMAS was also in the 2nd infantry, Royal West Surrey Regiment, but I cannot find any record of him. Is there anywhere else I can look. Does anyone have these names in their tree. Would love to make contact, or just find some more info on him. Heres hoping for a contact. Ann (NZ)

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Dear Listers Can you tell me which is correct please? The census documents clearly have the Church as 'Bredman' and so does The Kent Family History Society web page, but 'Historic Canterbury' has it as 'Breadman'. Which should we use to be correct? I tend towards Bredman but I'd like to be sure. Many thanks Paulette in NZ

A quick Google suggests that while "Bredman" is the current spelling, "Breadman" was in use in the 17th and 18th centuries. Anne South Australia Paulette Cullarn wrote: > Dear Listers Can you tell me which is correct please? The census documents clearly have the Church as > 'Bredman' and so does The Kent Family History Society web page, but 'Historic Canterbury' has it as > 'Breadman'. > > Which should we use to be correct? I tend towards Bredman but I'd like to be sure. > > Many thanks Paulette in NZ > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message >

Hi Paulette, "Googling" suggests that "St Mary Breadman" is, and was, the more common. It would, also, be nice to know where the word "Breadman", in this case, came from but a long search of the Internet doesn't give a clue. John ----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paulette Cullarn Sent: 14 May 2010 03:24 To: KENT-ENG-L Subject: [KENT-ENG] St Mary Breadman or Bredman Dear Listers Can you tell me which is correct please? The census documents clearly have the Church as 'Bredman' and so does The Kent Family History Society web page, but 'Historic Canterbury' has it as 'Breadman'. Which should we use to be correct? I tend towards Bredman but I'd like to be sure. Many thanks Paulette in NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2871 - Release Date: 05/13/10 07:26:00

Hi Gary, There's no obvious divorce at the UK Archives (type in the name, and J77 in the Dept/Series Code). No idea if John obtained a divorce in Australia though - not in Victorian or NSW indexes, but don't know about Queensland. There's also some UK statute about a marriage being declared void if a partner went missing overseas for 7 years, (it didn't matter if you knew whether they were alive or dead; it also covered a lot of the convicts sent to Australia, and enabled them to remarry) and allows for a remarriage without it being a felony (bigamy). John's marriage certificate for his second marriage might make for some interesting reading. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > I have an ancestor , born Agatha Teague, she married a John V Rogers , > my problem is that john swanned off to australia on his own , and > married another woman 3 years later in victoria. > G.hodge

symonds3 wrote: > Hi Gary, > There's no obvious divorce at the UK Archives (type in the name, and J77 in > the Dept/Series Code). No idea if John obtained a divorce in Australia > though - not in Victorian or NSW indexes, but don't know about Queensland. > There's also some UK statute about a marriage being declared void if a > partner went missing overseas for 7 years, (it didn't matter if you knew > whether they were alive or dead; it also covered a lot of the convicts sent > to Australia, and enabled them to remarry) and allows for a remarriage > without it being a felony (bigamy). The only rider to that is that if first, legal, spouse turned up again, the second marriage would be declared null and void and any children born to the second marriage would be deemed illegitimate. The first marriage would then be resumed as though nothing had happened. > John's marriage certificate for his second marriage might make for some > interesting reading. The usual marital condition is bachelor and widow if there were children. If the husband had taken the children: widower and spinster or widower and widow. Never mind the truth, it was all about respectibility. I've just had the 2nd marriage certs for a couple who married in 1938 and 1939. The husband declared himself a bachelor and the wife a widow. Both were telling porkies but neither were caught out, so they both got away with bigamy. The wife went on to re-register her youngest child who'd been born in 1926 (and now long deceased) and whose father was the 2nd "husband". -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

gary hodge wrote: > now all his children with agatha had surnames Rogers, Agatha took it > upon herself to call them Teague,s, could she do this ,of course she did > ,i mean nobody had id in them days except birth /marriage certs, would > the census taker ask for proof of names etc, i think not., then in 1911 > in which was filled out by the head of house themselves she reverted > back to her married surname of rogers.and stating she was a widow., but > john was alive and well in australia?., well after 23 years since he was > gone you would ,would,ant you. Since he hadn't sent for her and the children, she was perfectly entitled to assume he'd shuffled off the planet in the process of swanning off. Any one could, and still can, call themselves whatever they like so long as it isn't for fraudulent reasons. As you rightly state, no one asked for proof of ID back then so it wasn't really a problem. Agatha was obviously aware that, officially, she was still a ROGERS so used that on the 1911 census since that was an official document. > Could someone divorce some one back in 1890-1911, a thought pensions > came out about 1911 ? so if she had one would she not have to prove things. Divorce had been around for decades by then but it was an expensive process and beyond the means of most ordinary folk. At one time it had required a private act of parliament, then only husbands could divorce their wives, then wives were allowed to divorce their husbands although only on the grounds of both cruelty and adultery whilst the husbands could divorce on the grounds of adultery or cruelty and, I believe, for other reasons. I would think that, if Agatha was entitled to a pension, she would have explained the situation and probably have got her pension. Unless an investigation into his supposed death was carried out, there would have been no reason to have doubted her honestly held belief - unless he'd been in contact with her or their children, of course. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

hilist I have an ancestor , born Agatha Teague, she married a John V Rogers , my problem is that john swanned off to australia on his own , and married another woman 3 years later in victoria. now all his children with agatha had surnames Rogers, Agatha took it upon herself to call them Teague,s, could she do this ,of course she did ,i mean nobody had id in them days except birth /marriage certs, would the census taker ask for proof of names etc, i think not., then in 1911 in which was filled out by the head of house themselves she reverted back to her married surname of rogers.and stating she was a widow., but john was alive and well in australia?., well after 23 years since he was gone you would ,would,ant you. Could someone divorce some one back in 1890-1911, a thought pensions came out about 1911 ? so if she had one would she not have to prove things. G.hodge

Hi all Another page added today for George William FOREMAN (East langdon); http://www.fadedgenes.co.uk/GeorgeWilliamFOREMAN.html All the best Dave Dixon BA (hons) - Economic & Social History - University of Kent - Canterbury 1997 www.fadedgenes.co.uk

Hi List, We need some help please. A friend of ours is flying to Europe in 2 days and want's to know where they can find the burial site of their Grandfather Alexander VAILE {flight Sgt RAF in WW1} Air force Number 1651 Received MSM medal father was bn Fulham Was shot down in France and buried there. Any help would be Greatly Appreciated Thank you Barbara bardus@xtra.co.nz

Hi Barbara There are 11 Vailes on the CWGC site but no Alexander. Only one was in the Royal flying Corps - VAILE, LAURENCE EDWARD STUART Regards Daryl from Oz -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb & Dusty Miller Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:29 AM To: Kent List Subject: [KENT-ENG] Burial Site Hi List, We need some help please. A friend of ours is flying to Europe in 2 days and want's to know where they can find the burial site of their Grandfather Alexander VAILE {flight Sgt RAF in WW1} Air force Number 1651 Received MSM medal father was bn Fulham Was shot down in France and buried there. Any help would be Greatly Appreciated Thank you Barbara bardus@xtra.co.nz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see there's a file on him at The National Archives - is this where your information came from ? You can get them to copy the file digitally within 24 hours - it might give you some clues, or else your friends could go to the Archives and look it up if they are in London. AIR Records created or inherited by the Air Ministry, the Royal Air Force, and related bodies Division within AIR Records of the Department of the Master General of Personnel and the Air Member for Personnel AIR 79 Air Ministry: Air Member for Personnel and predecessors: Airmen's Records AIR 79/23 1651 - 1760. (Described at item level). Record Summary Scope and content Alexander Vaile. Covering dates 1918-1928 Availability Open Document, Open Description, Open Immediately Held by The National Archives, Kew There is an Alexander VAIL on the Commonwealth War Graves site VAIL , ALEXANDER Rifleman 5899 15/09/1916 Age Unknown London Regiment (First Surrey Rifles) United Kingdom Pier and Face 13 C. THIEPVAL MEMORIAL According to Ancestry, he was born in Bethnal Green Anne South Australia Barb & Dusty Miller wrote: > Thank you Anne, > > Alexander is not on this site > > Thank you again > Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Chambers" > <anne.chambers@bigpond.com> > To: "Barb & Dusty Miller" <bardus@xtra.co.nz> > Cc: "Kent List" <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Burial Site > > >> Try the Commonwealth War Graves database >> http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14 >> >> That should give you full details. >> >> Anne >> South Australia >> >> >> Barb & Dusty Miller wrote: >>> Hi List, >>> >>> We need some help please. >>> A friend of ours is flying to Europe in 2 days and want's to know >>> where they >>> can find the burial site of their Grandfather >>> >>> Alexander VAILE {flight Sgt RAF in WW1} Air force Number 1651 >>> Received MSM >>> medal >>> father was bn Fulham >>> Was shot down in France and buried there. >>> >>> Any help would be Greatly Appreciated >>> >>> Thank you >>> Barbara >>> bardus@xtra.co.nz >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> > > >

Try the Commonwealth War Graves database http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14 That should give you full details. Anne South Australia Barb & Dusty Miller wrote: > Hi List, > > We need some help please. > A friend of ours is flying to Europe in 2 days and want's to know where they > can find the burial site of their Grandfather > > Alexander VAILE {flight Sgt RAF in WW1} Air force Number 1651 Received MSM > medal > father was bn Fulham > Was shot down in France and buried there. > > Any help would be Greatly Appreciated > > Thank you > Barbara > bardus@xtra.co.nz > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Gary You can check out the immigration indexes for Queensland here: http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp You will find that Annie arrived in Queensland in 1888 on the Duke of Sutherland, along with her sister Bessie G (Annie's name has been mis- spelt). Annie's other 2 sisters, Amy and Eleanor (Eleanor married in Queensland in 1889) came the next year in 1889. Cheers Wendy -------------------------------------------------- From: "gary hodge" <jhdl10848@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:31 PM To: <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] australian research how to > Hi Trish > > I,ve been thinking how john met and married a Annie Elizabeth STOYEL in > 1890 from another lister, Could he have met her on board the "Dacca", > doe,s she appear amongst the passengers list, or maybe on another ship? > > thanking you for your kind help. > > Gary Hodge > > On 10/05/2010 11:26, symonds3 wrote: >> Hi again Gary, >> Okay, I have him now - >> John V. ROGERS, aged 39, arrived in Queensland aboard the "Dacca" on 14th >> December 1887. >> I've checked Qld BMDs, no death, marriage or children born to John V. >> ROGERS. >> Plenty of entries with John only though in all categories, so his >> parents' >> names might help identify him. >> Now you have a starting point, you might try joining the Queensland >> list - >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-QLD.html >> Cheers >> Trish >> Nowra NSW >> >> >> >>>>> how do I research his new marriage? or his death there?. >>>>> His name was John (v) ROGERS , born shropshire 1947, he married Agatha >>>>> Teague b 1846 >>>>> G.Hodge >>>>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Three new pages just added for men with Eastry connections: http://www.fadedgenes.co.uk/PercyWilliamDEVESON.html http://www.fadedgenes.co.uk/ThomasEdwardHOILE.html http://www.fadedgenes.co.uk/AlbertEdwardMOAT.html Also: There are additions to the GOLDUP descendants page: HUMPHREY through a female line http://www.fadedgenes.co.uk/StephenGoldupDescendants.html All the best Dave Dixon BA (hons) - Economic & Social History - University of Kent - Canterbury 1997 www.fadedgenes.co.uk