What is the name of the family in 1881 please as I have several branches from the maidstone area and may be able to connect. GLoria -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynda Rooke Sent: 26 July 2010 09:43 To: our.trees@vodafone.net.nz; kent-eng@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] Living relatives From: "Our Trees" <our.trees@vodafone.net.nz> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Current Generations Hi from New Zealand. At last I am getting to the modern generations and with a visit to UK coming up in May next year I am wondering if anyone has any HELP that can lead me to tracing "today's" relatives. I would love to meet them. I have got 3 males who (presuming no deaths occured) would have been 66,64 and 59 in 1961. How do I go about looking for their marriages and children there of without costing $$$$millions. With 3 boys I would be very unlucky not to find some descendants?? Wouldn't you think. They were all born in Maidstone, actually lived in Tufton St Maidstone (wish I'd know this when there in 2006) been in that house since 1881 census. Any suggestions would be helpful. The Findmy past is too expensive to check every ¼ from 1911 to see if married. All help very much appreciated. Glenda Hi Glenda, I cannot promise to find anything for you, but if you would like to send me details of the parents of the 3 males mentioned above and the full names of the 3 males I will try and trace some info through Ancestry UK for you. Lynda _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Our Trees wrote: > Hi from New Zealand. At last I am getting to the modern generations and with > a visit to UK coming up in May next year I am wondering if anyone has any > HELP that can lead me to tracing “today’s” relatives. I would love to meet > them. I have got 3 males who (presuming no deaths occured) would have been > 66,64 and 59 in 1961. These gentlemen are unlikely to still be alive :)) Have you checked the CWGC site to see if any of them are there? > How do I go about looking for their marriages and > children there of without costing $$$$millions. With 3 boys I would be very > unlucky not to find some descendants?? Wouldn’t you think. It's very possible they didn't have any descendents. I've had families die out because the children didn't marry or didn't have surviving children. > Any suggestions > would be helpful. The Findmy past is too expensive to check every ¼ from > 1911 to see if married. You seem to be using credits to search FMP, have you thought about getting a monthly sub to Ancestry and unsubbing when you've found what you are looking for? It's a cheaper option and one I find very cost effective. Cheaper still: you can also search for free on Ancestry. Your local library may have the Ancestry library edition which should be free for you to get confirmation (or not) as to whether the people concerned are yours but you won't get any details beyond what's in the indices without getting the certificates to confirm the father's name. FreeBMD have images you can search and they are free of charge. I'm not sure the extent of their coverage but they will not extent beyond 1983 when the GRO indices were digitised. For anyone not already aware, as Glenda is, Rootsweb have a "no living people" rule: <quote> Don't include identifiable information about living people without their direct consent, or, in the case of minors, the consent of their parent or guardian. This includes (but is not limited to) a person's full name, location or contact information. </quote> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/rootsweb/community_guidelines.html -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

From: "Our Trees" <our.trees@vodafone.net.nz> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Current Generations Hi from New Zealand. At last I am getting to the modern generations and with a visit to UK coming up in May next year I am wondering if anyone has any HELP that can lead me to tracing "today's" relatives. I would love to meet them. I have got 3 males who (presuming no deaths occured) would have been 66,64 and 59 in 1961. How do I go about looking for their marriages and children there of without costing $$$$millions. With 3 boys I would be very unlucky not to find some descendants?? Wouldn't you think. They were all born in Maidstone, actually lived in Tufton St Maidstone (wish I'd know this when there in 2006) been in that house since 1881 census. Any suggestions would be helpful. The Findmy past is too expensive to check every ¼ from 1911 to see if married. All help very much appreciated. Glenda Hi Glenda, I cannot promise to find anything for you, but if you would like to send me details of the parents of the 3 males mentioned above and the full names of the 3 males I will try and trace some info through Ancestry UK for you. Lynda _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Hi Glenda You might find these sites of use. 192.com bt.com lostcousins.com genesreunited.com http://www1.salvationarmy.org.uk/familytracing http://www.npia.police.uk/missingpersons http://www.redcross.org.uk/TLC.asp?id=76239 http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/ http://www.ukphonebook.com/ Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Our Trees" <our.trees@vodafone.net.nz> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Current Generations Hi from New Zealand. At last I am getting to the modern generations and with a visit to UK coming up in May next year I am wondering if anyone has any HELP that can lead me to tracing "today's" relatives. I would love to meet them. I have got 3 males who (presuming no deaths occured) would have been 66,64 and 59 in 1961. How do I go about looking for their marriages and children there of without costing $$$$millions. With 3 boys I would be very unlucky not to find some descendants?? Wouldn't you think. They were all born in Maidstone, actually lived in Tufton St Maidstone (wish I'd know this when there in 2006) been in that house since 1881 census. Any suggestions would be helpful. The Findmy past is too expensive to check every ¼ from 1911 to see if married. All help very much appreciated. Glenda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Glenda You could check on Ancestry - many libraries across the world have a subscription to their services and you can access them onsite if you're a member. Email your local library to check. Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Our Trees" <our.trees@vodafone.net.nz> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Current Generations Hi from New Zealand. At last I am getting to the modern generations and with a visit to UK coming up in May next year I am wondering if anyone has any HELP that can lead me to tracing "today's" relatives. I would love to meet them. I have got 3 males who (presuming no deaths occured) would have been 66,64 and 59 in 1961. How do I go about looking for their marriages and children there of without costing $$$$millions. With 3 boys I would be very unlucky not to find some descendants?? Wouldn't you think. They were all born in Maidstone, actually lived in Tufton St Maidstone (wish I'd know this when there in 2006) been in that house since 1881 census. Any suggestions would be helpful. The Findmy past is too expensive to check every ¼ from 1911 to see if married. All help very much appreciated. Glenda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Glenda The 1921 census won't be released till 2022. http://www.1911census.org.uk/1921.htm Cheers Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Our Trees" <our.trees@vodafone.net.nz> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:40 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] CENSUS > Can anyone tell me how I could look at the 1921+ census for England e.g. > are > they on film that I could get at the LDS History Centres?????? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I suspect that being an engineer was a cut above being a labourer. My great-great-grandfathers George Knott and George Harrell, both from Strood, appear to have both worked in the cement works. George Knott is described variously as a labourer, manual labourer, cement works labourer, burner in a cement works. George Harrell, on the other hand, was an engineer, an engine driver in a cement works (I suspect this means a stationary engine) and even a traction engine driver! The Harrells lived in the nice part of Strood, while the Knotts moved from place to place among the rough bit. I suspect that the Harrells were not too pleased about their daughter marrying my great-grandfather. Simon norfolkchurches.co.uk suffolkchurches.co.uk On 25/07/2010 05:39, pam hillier wrote: > Hi Ian > I would be interested in any other opinions myself. > Although my grandfather William James HILLIER wasn't born until 1871 - in > many censuses prior to 1871, his family (father Wm and uncle George) are > listed as a boiler makers& Marine boiler makers. > In 1881 Georges daughter Emily was working for an ironfounder W E morris and > I think that it's likely Wm and George worked for him also. Engineering and > iron founderies seem to go hand in hand and follow through from their > occupations in prior censuses. Being the docks area, ship building etc, this > seemed logical to me. > Plus the fact that they came to Deptford from Bridport, a Dorset port area, > to the london docks area. > In 1891 William James HILLIER was listed as marine engineers assistant (his > father Wm was a Marine Boilermaker) > In 1901 he is listed as a general engineer > 1911 he is listed as a working engineer, electrical engineering > 1941 at my parents marriage, as an engineer (retired) > Any one with any ideas - I would welcome the input and discussion on the > list myself. > Also any ideas about how to track down any respective documents in relation > to how they achieved their qualifications might be enlightening. > Thanks in advance from both Ian and myself....grin !!! > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > > > >> I was hoping to have found something a little bit more descriptive on a >> number of birth certificates where the fathers occupation was listed as >> Engineer. In the 1840's what would the description Engineer most likely >> apply to? Was this simply someone who operated machinery or drove a >> railway engine, or was it something more sophisticated ? >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3027 - Release Date: 07/25/10 07:36:00 > >

Hello All My gt grandfather was an 'agricultural engineer'. I'm inclined to think that this was a case of occupational enhancement and that realistically he was a mechanic - mending & servicing machinery. I know this doesn't help with the original enquiry but might lead to new lines of thinking for others. Regards Jackie (in south Wales)

My father was apprenticed as an 'engineer' to Doust Marine Engineers, and later worked for Vickers-Armstrong as an 'engineer'.  Today he would be called a 'machinist', using a lathe, milling machine, and other tools to make precision parts to be assembled into wha tever the company made.  The names of various occupations have ch an ged over time. Brian Coy in Tacoma, Washington, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Robinson" <treeman@netvigator.com> To: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat@bigwindows.demon.co.uk>, "KENT-ENG-L rootsweb" <KENT-ENG-L@rootsweb.com>, "pam hillier" <pamhillier24@virginbroadband.com.au> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 2:45:12 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Occupation Engineer + opinions welcomed (Henry        GOULDEN ) Dear Ann and Pam , Thanks for those responses . My interest in this comes from the entries I found on two birth certs and one marriage cert for Whitstable  which records that Henry GOULDEN who is named as father has the occupation of Engineer between the years of 1842 and 1867. The only such person I can find in any of the census entries throughout the country is located in an obscure part of North Yorkshire ( Driffield and Goathland) hundreds of miles away from the rest of the family but whose birthplace is always referred to as either Whitstable or Chatham Kent In the census this particular Henry Goulden's occupation is given as Standing Engine Driver, or Engine Driver between 1851 and 1881.This is at best circumstantial evidence but leads me to believe that the estranged husband Henry Goulden in Yorkshire is in fact the father named in the birth certificates in Whitstable.If the occupation on the certs had said Engine Driver instead of Engineer I would have had a stronger case for these references being the same person . Regards Ian in Hong Kong ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam hillier" <pamhillier24@virginbroadband.com.au> To: "KENT-ENG-L rootsweb" <KENT-ENG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Occupation Engineer + opinions welcomed > Hi Ian > I would be interested in any other opinions myself. >> In 1901 he is listed as a general engineer > 1911 he is listed as a working engineer, electrical engineering > 1941 at my parents marriage,  as an engineer (retired) > Any one with any ideas - I would welcome the input and discussion on the > list myself. > Also any ideas about how to track down any respective documents in > relation > to how they achieved their qualifications might be enlightening. > Thanks in advance from both Ian and myself....grin !!! > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > > >> I was hoping to have found something a little bit more descriptive on a >> number of birth certificates where the fathers occupation was listed as >> Engineer.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am researching the Wells family of Kingsnorth, Kent. Specifically, I am interested in Richard Wells, son of Richard, who was christened at Kingsnorth in 1618. Can anyone help me with additional information from the Bishop's Transcripts and/or parish records. Thank you so much. John B. Wells III "Way Down South In Dixie" Newnan, Georgia wellsga@bellsouth.net

Dear Ann and Pam , Thanks for those responses . My interest in this comes from the entries I found on two birth certs and one marriage cert for Whitstable which records that Henry GOULDEN who is named as father has the occupation of Engineer between the years of 1842 and 1867. The only such person I can find in any of the census entries throughout the country is located in an obscure part of North Yorkshire ( Driffield and Goathland) hundreds of miles away from the rest of the family but whose birthplace is always referred to as either Whitstable or Chatham Kent In the census this particular Henry Goulden's occupation is given as Standing Engine Driver, or Engine Driver between 1851 and 1881.This is at best circumstantial evidence but leads me to believe that the estranged husband Henry Goulden in Yorkshire is in fact the father named in the birth certificates in Whitstable.If the occupation on the certs had said Engine Driver instead of Engineer I would have had a stronger case for these references being the same person . Regards Ian in Hong Kong ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam hillier" <pamhillier24@virginbroadband.com.au> To: "KENT-ENG-L rootsweb" <KENT-ENG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Occupation Engineer + opinions welcomed > Hi Ian > I would be interested in any other opinions myself. >> In 1901 he is listed as a general engineer > 1911 he is listed as a working engineer, electrical engineering > 1941 at my parents marriage, as an engineer (retired) > Any one with any ideas - I would welcome the input and discussion on the > list myself. > Also any ideas about how to track down any respective documents in > relation > to how they achieved their qualifications might be enlightening. > Thanks in advance from both Ian and myself....grin !!! > Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > > >> I was hoping to have found something a little bit more descriptive on a >> number of birth certificates where the fathers occupation was listed as >> Engineer.

Hi Jan, You may have to give a little more information - such as dates, familial relationships etc......you may get someone that has one of yours in their family tree at least. 1. I presume you have checked the BMD's in Oz.....the LDS I volunteer at has SA, NSW & Victorian BMD's BUT only to certain dates......so ????? 2. I have Stevens in the area of Bexley but I have little information as they are an off shoot line and after the 1911 census..... But here goes. Ethel Frances PARKER born 1/10/1890 in Lewisham (5 miles from Bexley) married George Arthur STEVENS 25/7/1918 in Perry Hill London and they had one son that I can ascertain John Arthur George STEVENS born 1920 in Catford, Surrey. So if any of these gel with your family.......holler. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi, > My great great grandparents were John Stevens and Jane (Knott), of > Bexley Heath. I have traced some of their children, Joshua and Willie > came to Australia, Frederick went to Canada,and daughter Jane married in > England. I am having difficulty finding much about their other > children. Stevens is such a 'popular' surname in Kent. Is anyone tracing > this family? > Jan in Australia

Hi Ian I would be interested in any other opinions myself. Although my grandfather William James HILLIER wasn't born until 1871 - in many censuses prior to 1871, his family (father Wm and uncle George) are listed as a boiler makers & Marine boiler makers. In 1881 Georges daughter Emily was working for an ironfounder W E morris and I think that it's likely Wm and George worked for him also. Engineering and iron founderies seem to go hand in hand and follow through from their occupations in prior censuses. Being the docks area, ship building etc, this seemed logical to me. Plus the fact that they came to Deptford from Bridport, a Dorset port area, to the london docks area. In 1891 William James HILLIER was listed as marine engineers assistant (his father Wm was a Marine Boilermaker) In 1901 he is listed as a general engineer 1911 he is listed as a working engineer, electrical engineering 1941 at my parents marriage, as an engineer (retired) Any one with any ideas - I would welcome the input and discussion on the list myself. Also any ideas about how to track down any respective documents in relation to how they achieved their qualifications might be enlightening. Thanks in advance from both Ian and myself....grin !!! Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > I was hoping to have found something a little bit more descriptive on a > number of birth certificates where the fathers occupation was listed as > Engineer. In the 1840's what would the description Engineer most likely > apply to? Was this simply someone who operated machinery or drove a > railway engine, or was it something more sophisticated ?

If you look on Google Street view Manor Park seems to consist of Edwardian semi-detached houses. Nothing nowadays that looks like a nursing home. Perhaps he was just someone she linked up with in old age - or a helpful lodger. Anne On 24 Jul 2010, at 17:28, Kathy Hardy wrote: > > > Hi List, > > I'm not sure if anyone can help, I had a Great Aunt who was living > at 69 Manor Park Lewisham when she died (age 70), apparently she was > a confirmed Spinster. I have just received a copy of her will, > which left everything to a Daniel Walsh who was living there as > well, he is listed as a retired assistant manager, my great Aunt > died in 1966, could this address be some sort of nursing home? or > could Daniel Walsh have been a lodger or something? > I would be grateful for any help. > > Kathy Hardy (Hampshire UK). >

Hi List, I'm not sure if anyone can help, I had a Great Aunt who was living at 69 Manor Park Lewisham when she died (age 70), apparently she was a confirmed Spinster. I have just received a copy of her will, which left everything to a Daniel Walsh who was living there as well, he is listed as a retired assistant manager, my great Aunt died in 1966, could this address be some sort of nursing home? or could Daniel Walsh have been a lodger or something? I would be grateful for any help. Kathy Hardy (Hampshire UK). __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5299 (20100721) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5309 (20100724) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5309 (20100724) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Dear Listers, I was hoping to have found something a little bit more descriptive on a number of birth certificates where the fathers occupation was listed as Engineer. In the 1840's what would the description Engineer most likely apply to? Was this simply someone who operated machinery or drove a railway engine, or was it something more sophisticated ? Cheers Ian in Hong Kong

Hello Robin, You wrote Were there admission registers for workhouses in the 1800's? I have an individual who appears to have lived at the Spalding Workhouse , born in Kent. Everyone on this List is researching in Kent, it would help you and may link in, with another researcher, if you gave a name to this individual. I'm researching all over Kent, on my very large FT and so are other people. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon Basingstoke, Hants. UK BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Carter" <robin_carter@rogers.com> To: <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 3:41 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] workhouses Hi Listers, Were there admission registers for workhouses in the 1800's? I have an individual who appears to have lived at the Spalding Workhouse , born in Kent ,and although a single woman had several children born while she was a resident there. She was a fieldworker , is possible there were different fathers for her children? Any comments welcome. I am trying to get a birth certificate for my husband's grandfather who according to his family, was an orphan. I have checked the cenus but grandfather changes his birthplace on at least two. Robin.

According to www.mouseprice.com, which basically lists house prices, today there are no businesses on Manor Park and No. 69 is a four-bedroom, single family residence. i note that most of the street has been converted into flats. It may well have been a lodging house when your great-aunt lived there. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Hardy <kathyhardy@btinternet.com> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010 12:28 pm Subject: [KENT-ENG] 69 Manor Park Lewisham > > > Hi List, > > I'm not sure if anyone can help, I had a Great Aunt who was living > at 69 Manor Park Lewisham when she died (age 70), apparently she > was a confirmed Spinster. I have just received a copy of her will, > which left everything to a Daniel Walsh who was living there as > well, he is listed as a retired assistant manager, my great Aunt > died in 1966, could this address be some sort of nursing home? or > could Daniel Walsh have been a lodger or something? > I would be grateful for any help. > > Kathy Hardy (Hampshire UK). > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5299 (20100721) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5309 (20100724) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5309 (20100724) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Ian, Engineer is one of those terms that can cover many things, especially during the 19th century. It can mean a man who drove a railway engine (though that was a fairly new occupation in the 1840's) or someone who operated a stationary engine. It could also be a person who designed roads, bridges, or machinery. HTH Anne On 24 Jul 2010, at 09:27, Ian Robinson wrote: > Dear Listers, > > I was hoping to have found something a little bit more descriptive > on a number of birth certificates where the fathers occupation was > listed as Engineer. In the 1840's what would the description > Engineer most likely apply to? Was this simply someone who operated > machinery or drove a railway engine, or was it something more > sophisticated ? > > Cheers > > Ian in Hong Kong > > -------------------------------

>From True Briton ( 1793 ) ( London, England ), Friday, August 18. 1797; Issue 1451. COUNTRY NEWS. Maidstone, Aug. 15. All the persons named in the following strange genealogy, were living at Faversham, Feb. 10, 1650, excepting only the former wife of Old CASHICK. - Old HAWOOD had two daughters by his first wife, of which the eldest was married to John CASHICK the son, and the youngest to John CASHICK the father. This CASHICK the father had a daughter by his first wife, whom Old HAWOOD married, and by her had a son; therefore CASHISK the father's second wife could say as follows: My father is my son, and I my mother's mother; my sister is my daughter, I'm grandmother to my brother.