>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, February 1, 1817; Issue 3328. DIED. At Dartford, Kent, E. CAVILL , Esq, R. N. formerly of Boreham, Essex, and First Lieutenant of his Majesty's ship "Glory", of 90 guns.

Jane, I do not know if this will help in the time period of your ancestor...but my apprenticeship records of the early/mid 1600s show the fathers name in the original books at London Guildhall...It will be stated in the initial apprenticeship date document/page...The father's name and the village and county will be listed. Hope this helps you. Donna   The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. ________________________________ From: Jane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:57 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] William ARNOLD b 1787 Sevenoaks Hello, Still trying to piece together the ARNOLD family from Sevenoaks, and I have found military records for a William ARNOLD, born 1787 in Sevenoaks, and enlisting in 1807. William moved from the 56th foot regiment, to the 22nd Light Dragoons, to the 13th Light Dragoons before being given a medical discharge in 1836. From 1808 to 1834 he was stationed in the East Indies. This William's trade on enlistment is listed as a tailor, which helps me to match him into the ARNOLD family I am tracing. Unfortunately, none of the military records show next of kin. I currently have 3 (maybe 4) W. Arnolds in the tailor/draper trade in Sevenoaks, but this man does not seem to fit the dates of any people I already have records for, so perhaps he is a cousin?? The eldest I have no info on, and really am guessing his name was William. There is a William in the Apprenticeship Indenture records in 1782 and 1792(as a master tailor) that I think may belong to this man. The 1782 record shows him with Henry Arnold also as master. His son William married Susannah CHAPMAN in 1792 and he died in 1820. His son William was born in 1801, married Jane SPENCER and died in 1869. His son William, born 1840, married Anna Maria JOSLING, moved to Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk, where my grandfather, Ralph Josling ARNOLD was born in 1886. Can anyone please help me identify the family of this military man William, and so give  him his place in the family. Cheers, Jane Eliza (nee Arnold) NSW, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary Beth I have found a George Fox baptised at Shepherdswell on 11 July 1824 which would fit with the census data you give. His parents are Thomas and Catherine Fox. Thomas is listed as a farmer. There appear to be three older children by the same parents. I can't help you with a marriage date but the first child Amey was born in 1814, Charles in 1816 and Catherine 1820. There is a possible death for Catherine snr in 1829 aged 34. Hope this helps Helen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Beth Kitzel Sent: 20 March 2012 4:48 PM To: Kent Eng Subject: [KENT-ENG] Fox Family in Eastern Kent Hello Listers. I¹m hoping you can help me track down some families in the Eastern part of the county. Here¹s the first: I am looking for BMD on Geo. and Ann Fox. On the 1851 census they were living in Charlton near Dover. Geo. was 26 and born in Shepherdswell (Sibertswold) and working as a Harbour labourer. Wife Ann was 29 and born in Fordwich. Their son Geo was 2 and born in Gillingham. I am looking for any information on Geo¹s parentage and Ann¹s, please. Marriage info would be wonderful too. I¹m curious about their witnesses. Thanks in advance for your help. Cheers, Mary Kitzel -- Mary E. Kitzel MSc, CI, CT DPhil Candidate/Associate Tutor Department of Geography Arts C329 University of Sussex Falmer Brighton BN1 9SJ [email protected] http://www.sussex.ac.uk/profiles/210129 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers. I¹m hoping you can help me track down some families in the Eastern part of the county. Here¹s the first: I am looking for BMD on Geo. and Ann Fox. On the 1851 census they were living in Charlton near Dover. Geo. was 26 and born in Shepherdswell (Sibertswold) and working as a Harbour labourer. Wife Ann was 29 and born in Fordwich. Their son Geo was 2 and born in Gillingham. I am looking for any information on Geo¹s parentage and Ann¹s, please. Marriage info would be wonderful too. I¹m curious about their witnesses. Thanks in advance for your help. Cheers, Mary Kitzel -- Mary E. Kitzel MSc, CI, CT DPhil Candidate/Associate Tutor Department of Geography Arts C329 University of Sussex Falmer Brighton BN1 9SJ [email protected] http://www.sussex.ac.uk/profiles/210129

My census CDs are all from S&N and just checked all of mine. I replaced my computer over a year ago, and have never needed to use them since then. All my census CD's are working perfectly, mine open to Adobe, have no idea if later Census open any different, I certainly never at any time needed to register them. I have always found them very helpful when I have had to ring them, using them as I do for my subscription. Tricia > snip < > I have pulled out one of the CDs. Under system requirements it says > the following: > > "Note: This product requires registration before use and is designed > for use on *one computer only*. You must have your operating syste > installed on the "C" drive of your PC." > > > >

Hi Connie S&N are a very reputable company and their terms and conditions are perfectly reasonable. If you contact them and explain the situation they will, I am sure, be able to offer a technical solution. Best wishes Caroline > > I have pulled out one of the CDs. Under system requirements it says > the following: > > "Note: This product requires registration before use and is designed > for use on *one computer only*. You must have your operating syste > installed on the "C" drive of your PC." > > The emphasis is theirs. Further on it says: > > "Personal Use Licence Opening this product means you are agreeing to > the following conditions: This product can only be used for personal > research by the original purchaser. This excludes commercial use, > library use, loan, provision of a lookup service or print service. > Breach of the above conditions may result in legal action. If you feel > unable to comply, return the product for a refund. This product is > non-transferable." > > Do you know what they might have done to stop the CDs working on > another machine? There must be lots of people who bought CDs from them > then bought a new computer. > > Connie in London > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 19/03/2012 22:20:40 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The S&N CDs have something on them that allows them to be associated to one computer only. They won't work if you try to use them on another one The discs are licensed to the purchaser only, not to a particular computer. I don't understand how you get the impression they will only run on one computer. I bought several counties as well as London when they first came out, I run them on both a desk top PC and a laptop both using Windows XP, they also run on my Windows Vista desktop PC with no problem. I am no expert, but have you tried Windows compatibility wizard? That is meant to enable you to run older programmes, although I have yet to find the need. Jennifer

Quite frankly I'd complain to to S & N or at least question them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] CENSUS > MICHAEL DANIELS wrote: >> Hi Connie and list, >> >> Quite a few things that were purchased in good faith that you would have >> your own >> personal references to aid research in various aspects of the hobby. Then >> you change >> your computer or are forced to do so when the machine malfunctions, then >> you get to >> realise you've got problems. Cyber life used to be fairly >> straightforward, but now >> there are all sorts of built in complications and of course money is to >> be made in >> providing you with the means to operate in the new computer environment. >> You used to >> get work programs factory loaded and now you find that such facilities >> only last for >> a trial period and then you have to pay up to get them permanently. Best, >> unless there >> is no alternative, keep you old computer and its peripherals rather than >> changing just >> to have the latest technology. > > Hallo > > I agree with most of what you say. > > I don't change my computer until I have to. I don't understand why > people want all the newest machines, opersting systems, programs and > so on when they have a perfectly good working system. I still have a > computer that runs Windows 98 and another which has so little memory > that if I open two documents at the same time it crashes. > > The S&N CDs have something on them that allows them to be associated > to one computer only. They won't work if you try to use them on > another one. I was using them on a computer I no longer have. I > bought the CDs when the censuses weren't available online. Now they > are I don't need the CDs. They are gathering dust. Maybe I can use > them to corral the dust bunnies. > > Connie in London > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kevin Poile wrote: > Connie, > > Don't understand why they don't work on your new computer? - or have you > gone from PC to a Mac (iPad or similar)? Hallo I don't know why they won't work but they don't. I don't use a Mac of any sort. I have pulled out one of the CDs. Under system requirements it says the following: "Note: This product requires registration before use and is designed for use on *one computer only*. You must have your operating syste installed on the "C" drive of your PC." The emphasis is theirs. Further on it says: "Personal Use Licence Opening this product means you are agreeing to the following conditions: This product can only be used for personal research by the original purchaser. This excludes commercial use, library use, loan, provision of a lookup service or print service. Breach of the above conditions may result in legal action. If you feel unable to comply, return the product for a refund. This product is non-transferable." Do you know what they might have done to stop the CDs working on another machine? There must be lots of people who bought CDs from them then bought a new computer. Connie in London

MICHAEL DANIELS wrote: > Hi Connie and list, > > Quite a few things that were purchased in good faith that you would have your own > personal references to aid research in various aspects of the hobby. Then you change > your computer or are forced to do so when the machine malfunctions, then you get to > realise you've got problems. Cyber life used to be fairly straightforward, but now > there are all sorts of built in complications and of course money is to be made in > providing you with the means to operate in the new computer environment. You used to > get work programs factory loaded and now you find that such facilities only last for > a trial period and then you have to pay up to get them permanently. Best, unless there > is no alternative, keep you old computer and its peripherals rather than changing just > to have the latest technology. Hallo I agree with most of what you say. I don't change my computer until I have to. I don't understand why people want all the newest machines, opersting systems, programs and so on when they have a perfectly good working system. I still have a computer that runs Windows 98 and another which has so little memory that if I open two documents at the same time it crashes. The S&N CDs have something on them that allows them to be associated to one computer only. They won't work if you try to use them on another one. I was using them on a computer I no longer have. I bought the CDs when the censuses weren't available online. Now they are I don't need the CDs. They are gathering dust. Maybe I can use them to corral the dust bunnies. Connie in London

Connie, Don't understand why they don't work on your new computer? - or have you gone from PC to a Mac (iPad or similar)? Regards Kevin (IT Engineer). They won't work on my new computer either. So annoying when they cost so > much. >

Hi Connie and list, Quite a few things that were purchased in good faith that you would have your own personal references to aid research in various aspects of the hobby. Then you change your computer or are forced to do so when the machine malfunctions, then you get to realise you've got problems. Cyber life used to be fairly straightforward, but now there are all sorts of built in complications and of course money is to be made in providing you with the means to operate in the new computer environment. You used to get work programs factory loaded and now you find that such facilities only last for a trial period and then you have to pay up to get them permanently. Best, unless there is no alternative, keep you old computer and its peripherals rather than changing just to have the latest technology. Michael in sunny Clacton, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 19 March, 2012 10:57:21 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] CENSUS B&J Emmerson wrote: > Good morning > > I have 1841-1901 censuses on CDs if anyone is interested in purchasing. > If so please email me privately. Hallo I have a similar set which I don't need now. They were from S&N. The paperwork for them says they can't be sold or even given away. They won't work on my new computer either. So annoying when they cost so much. Connie in London ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Or build your own so you are not paying for preloaded stuff you will not use! Annie in Minnesota In a message dated 3/19/2012 3:02:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Connie and list, Quite a few things that were purchased in good faith that you would have your own personal references to aid research in various aspects of the hobby. Then you change your computer or are forced to do so when the machine malfunctions, then you get to realise you've got problems. Cyber life used to be fairly straightforward, but now there are all sorts of built in complications and of course money is to be made in providing you with the means to operate in the new computer environment. You used to get work programs factory loaded and now you find that such facilities only last for a trial period and then you have to pay up to get them permanently. Best, unless there is no alternative, keep you old computer and its peripherals rather than changing just to have the latest technology. Michael in sunny Clacton, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 19 March, 2012 10:57:21 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] CENSUS B&J Emmerson wrote: > Good morning > > I have 1841-1901 censuses on CDs if anyone is interested in purchasing. > If so please email me privately. Hallo I have a similar set which I don't need now. They were from S&N. The paperwork for them says they can't be sold or even given away. They won't work on my new computer either. So annoying when they cost so much. Connie in London ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brenda, what parishes on the south side of London are covered in your London CDs? Kingston-upon-Thames? Croydon? Richmond? Richard Goulden

Many thanks to everyone for speedy replies. Carol

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:59:04 +0000 Anne Peat <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Anne, > It's on Ancestry ( though you can only see the image if you have a > subscription) Which I don't, but thanks. I was obviously missing something, as several people managed to provide an answer. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'm not here for your entertainment U & Ur Hand - P!nk

It's on Ancestry ( though you can only see the image if you have a subscription) http://tinyurl.com/7abvl5t Anne On 19 Mar 2012, at 14:44, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:59:11 -0000 > "Carol Brown" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Carol, > >> Robert William Charles Chapple & Alice Lydia White married at >> Christchurch, Rotherhithe 9 June 1894. I can't read their professions, >> Robert's looks like tatman or latman. Can anyone improve on this, and >> what did their jobs involve? > > I can only assume you attached an image of the cert to your message; > You should be aware that attachments don't make it to the list. Put the > image on the web somewhere, and post a link here. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > I am alone there's nobody there > I Look Alone - Buzzcocks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol, I think Robert W C Chapple was a labourer. I think Alice was a Tie Worker (she made ties?) Robert William senior was a Fireman and Henry White was a shipwright ( he made ships) Both fathers deceased. HTH Anne On 19 Mar 2012, at 13:59, Carol Brown wrote: > Robert William Charles Chapple & Alice Lydia White married at Christchurch, Rotherhithe > 9 June 1894. I can't read their professions, Robert's looks like tatman or latman. > Can anyone improve on this, and what did their jobs involve? > > Many thanks, Carol >

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:59:11 -0000 "Carol Brown" <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Carol, > Robert William Charles Chapple & Alice Lydia White married at > Christchurch, Rotherhithe 9 June 1894. I can't read their professions, > Robert's looks like tatman or latman. Can anyone improve on this, and > what did their jobs involve? I can only assume you attached an image of the cert to your message; You should be aware that attachments don't make it to the list. Put the image on the web somewhere, and post a link here. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I am alone there's nobody there I Look Alone - Buzzcocks

And Lydia is a Tin Worker. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:59 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Help reading mge cert > Robert William Charles Chapple & Alice Lydia White married at > Christchurch, Rotherhithe > 9 June 1894. I can't read their professions, Robert's looks like tatman or > latman. > Can anyone improve on this, and what did their jobs involve? > > Many thanks, Carol > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message