Hi John If he's the Joseph W Wells reg. in Bexley district Mar Qtr. 1912 his mother's maiden name is given on FreeBMD as Tuthill. Looks like the marriage of Joseph senior and Catherine Tuthill in Willesden district Sep Qtr. 1911. Catherine is working as a domestic servant for the Terry family at 22 Chandos Road, Willesden at 1911 census - shown as b Dublin 1893. I can only see two Joseph Wells in Willesden at 1911 - one Joseph William Wells is a butcher but only shown as aged 15 b Paddington - his father, James William, is a stableman and the other Joseph is aged 33, a Stoker, whose father Joseph is an "Ironer". I suppose it is possible that Joseph was only 16 when he got married and Catherine about 19. Regards Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Wells Sent: 10 April 2012 14:40 To: [email protected] Subject: [KENT-ENG] Joseph William WELLS born 1912 Hello list, I am looking forv the parents of Joseph William Wells, born 1912 at Foot Crays, Kent. His father was also Joseph William Wells of London, a butcher by trade. That's all I can find ... no birthdate, no definite census listing. Can anyone suggest a "long distance" course of action. Thank you. Regards, John B. Wells [email protected] --- On Tue, 4/10/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [KENT-ENG] Death of John MAWBY , Esq. ( 1801 ) To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 9:05 AM From The Morning Post and Gazetteer ( London, England ), Saturday, August 01, 1801; Issue 10274.   DIED. On Monday the 20th instant, at his house at Chatham, after a short illness, which he bore with the greatest fortitude and resignation, John MAWBY , Esq, late Major of the 18th regiment of foot, in the 72nd year of his age.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to Ancestry (Free BMD ) a JOseph William Wells was born in the March quarter of 1912 in the Bromley District which covered Foots Cray. His mother's maiden name was Tuthill. According to Free BMD Joseph W Wells & Catherine Tuthill were married in Willesden London in the September quarter 1911 (3a 610) Ancestry's 1911 census summary has him living with his parents(?) in Willesden > 1911 England Census about Joseph William Wells > > Name: Joseph William Wells > Age in 1911: 15 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 > Relation to Head: Son > Gender: Male > Civil parish: Willesden > County/Island: Middlesex > Country: England > Street Address: Stone Cottage, Dudding Hill Lane, Willesden > Marital Status: Single > Occupation: Butcher > Registration district: Willesden > Registration District Number: 129 > Sub-registration district: Willesden > ED, institution, or vessel: 80 > Household schedule number: 394 > Piece: 7060 > Household Members: > Name Age > James William Wells 45 > Susannah Wells 45 > Edith May Wells 18 > Joseph William Wells 15 > > Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 7060; Schedule Number: 394; . There is a Catherine Tuthill, a domestic servant born in Dublin also in Willesden in that census. > 1911 England Census about Catherine Tuthill > > Name: Catherine Tuthill > Age in 1911: 18 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 > Relation to Head: Servant > Gender: Female > Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland > Civil parish: Willesden > County/Island: Middlesex > Country: England > Street Address: 22 Chandos Road, Cricklewood, Willesden N W > Marital Status: Single > Occupation: Domestic > Registration district: Willesden > Registration District Number: 129 > Sub-registration district: Willesden > ED, institution, or vessel: 69 > Household schedule number: 252 > Piece: 7049 > Household Members: > Name Age > William James Terry 33 > Irene Clare Terry 26 > Geoffrey Eric Terry 2 > Doris E M Ludford 15 > Catherine Tuthill 18 > > > Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 7049; Schedule Number: 252; . If you get his birth certificate and their marriage certificate you should be able to get details of Catherine's parentage. Unfortunately the marriage doesn't seem to be on Ancestry's London Marriages. HTH Anne HTH On 10 Apr 2012, at 14:40, John Wells wrote: > Hello list, > > I am looking forv the parents of Joseph William Wells, born 1912 at Foot Crays, Kent. His father was also Joseph William Wells of London, a butcher by trade. That's all I can find ... no birthdate, no definite census listing. Can anyone suggest a "long distance" course of action. Thank you. > > Regards, > John B. Wells > > [email protected]

Our earliest is 1849 from Indi abut I know that a number of the records; probably elsewhere too. Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] BMD for British Army abroad > In a message dated 10/04/2012 01:15:19 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] > writes: > > Specifically, my cousin has spent fruitless years trying to find the > birth of one Christina Devine in Gibraltar, daughter of Robert Devine > and Mary Stewart. > > > > I see from a number of trees on Ancestry that she was born c 1846/7. There > is no birth recorded in the Armed Forces registers, it is quite possible > that the birth was not registered, it was still the early days of civil > registration. You may be better looking for a baptism in then church > records in > Gibraltar. > > Regards, > Jennifer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks to Sue Slater and Ann Peat for helping me identify Joseph William Wells. With your clues I have been able to trace the family to the censuses of 1841 and 1851 in Marylebone, London. Ann Wells ,widow, "charwoman," born 1799-1806 at St. Marylebone, was listed as a widow with children Thomas W. born c. 1826, Richard E. born c.1831-2, Elizabeth born c.1833-4 and Sarah born c.1836-7. Finding the identity of the husband of Ann Wells is now the problem. I have been unable to find baptismal records at St. Marylebone that might give me clues to his name. Any ideas. I promise this will be my last question. Thank you for your wonderful help. I'm coming to Kent in June and I'm trying to help another "amateur" genealogist discover his heritage before my trip. We are trying to establish a common ancestor. Regards, John Wells

Many thanks for all your helpful explanations and suggestions which I shall pass on to my cousin. Christina was born in 1847. We did find her birth date and place on the 1901 Canadian Census. Nancy Seger

From The Morning Post and Gazetteer ( London, England ), Saturday, August 01, 1801; Issue 10274.   DIED. On Monday the 20th instant, at his house at Chatham, after a short illness, which he bore with the greatest fortitude and resignation, John MAWBY , Esq, late Major of the 18th regiment of foot, in the 72nd year of his age.

If you can find them on an index from a site like findmypast it should have a GRO reference. You can then order from GRO in the (almost) normal way either on line or by phone Philip Maddocks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Seger" <[email protected]> To: "Kent List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:12 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] BMD for British Army abroad >I have a question about the records of British military abroad. Where > would one find the records in England, other than the locale such as > India or other colonies, etc.? > > Specifically, my cousin has spent fruitless years trying to find the > birth of one Christina Devine in Gibraltar, daughter of Robert Devine > and Mary Stewart. The family later appeared in Nova Scotia, Canada on > the way to Ontario. A defunct Gibraltar site once told me that the > birth of Christina was not recorded there and had no records of Devines. > > nancy seger > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list, I am looking forv the parents of Joseph William Wells, born 1912 at Foot Crays, Kent. His father was also Joseph William Wells of London, a butcher by trade. That's all I can find ... no birthdate, no definite census listing. Can anyone suggest a "long distance" course of action. Thank you. Regards, John B. Wells [email protected] --- On Tue, 4/10/12, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [KENT-ENG] Death of John MAWBY , Esq. ( 1801 ) To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 9:05 AM From The Morning Post and Gazetteer ( London, England ), Saturday, August 01, 1801; Issue 10274.   DIED. On Monday the 20th instant, at his house at Chatham, after a short illness, which he bore with the greatest fortitude and resignation, John MAWBY , Esq, late Major of the 18th regiment of foot, in the 72nd year of his age.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 10/04/2012 01:15:19 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Specifically, my cousin has spent fruitless years trying to find the birth of one Christina Devine in Gibraltar, daughter of Robert Devine and Mary Stewart. I see from a number of trees on Ancestry that she was born c 1846/7. There is no birth recorded in the Armed Forces registers, it is quite possible that the birth was not registered, it was still the early days of civil registration. You may be better looking for a baptism in then church records in Gibraltar. Regards, Jennifer

Hi list, further school admissions added with pupils from Etwall , Elton and Derby St Chad schools showing connections to Kent. Link below, if it fails Google Yesterdays Journey. mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

I have a question about the records of British military abroad. Where would one find the records in England, other than the locale such as India or other colonies, etc.? Specifically, my cousin has spent fruitless years trying to find the birth of one Christina Devine in Gibraltar, daughter of Robert Devine and Mary Stewart. The family later appeared in Nova Scotia, Canada on the way to Ontario. A defunct Gibraltar site once told me that the birth of Christina was not recorded there and had no records of Devines. nancy seger

Hi, What time frame are you researching ? Perhaps the following will help to answer your questions http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/default.htm Cheers,Stella At 05:12 PM 09/04/2012, you wrote: >I have a question about the records of British military abroad. Where >would one find the records in England, other than the locale such as >India or other colonies, etc.? > >Specifically, my cousin has spent fruitless years trying to find the >birth of one Christina Devine in Gibraltar, daughter of Robert Devine >and Mary Stewart. The family later appeared in Nova Scotia, Canada on >the way to Ontario. A defunct Gibraltar site once told me that the >birth of Christina was not recorded there and had no records of Devines. > >nancy seger > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Please remember that the large Poor Law Union Workhouses were only erected after the 1834 Act of Parliament. Prior to this each parish was responsible for the provision of relief to it's own poor, and this took many different forms. See: http://www.historyhome.co.uk/peel/poorlaw/plaa.htm All the best Dave Dixon BA (hons) - Economic & Social History - University of Kent - Canterbury 1997 www.fadedgenes.co.uk On 9 April 2012 08:00, Peter <[email protected]> wrote: > Lynne, > > Aldington was a sub-district in the East Ashford Poor Law Union and the > workhouse was based at Willesborough. > > Regards > > Peter > > I would appreciate any relevant local and family history information - I > think I have discovered all I can by googling but if you can point me in > the > direction of journal articles or local history publications that I can > obtain (from Australia) that would be very much appreciated. > > Regards, Lynne (Canberra, Australia) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Graves at St Nicholas Sturry I have photographed below. Picture on my Flickr page! http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157629411984094/with/7060740051/ MAY Sacred to the Memory of James MAY Who died 17th May 1866 In his 60th year Be ye faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life. (Have Photo) GOODWIN To The memory of John GOODWIN Late of this Parish Who died July 25th 1851 Aged 82 years (Have Photo) MARSH RIP To the memory of Richard MARSH Parish Clerk 1900-1925 Who departed this life June 4th 1925 Aged 85 years A Faithful servant of the church And a true friend to all among whom he dwelt This testimony is gratefully recorded By his fellow parishioners Also of Mary Ann his wife Who died March 3rd 1920 (Have Photo) There is also a plaque inside the church which reads:- In happy memory of Richard MARSH, who faithfully served this church as parish clerk for 19 years and by the goodness of his heart and kindly deeds endeared himself to young and old. Died June 4th 1925 (Have Photo) PYSDEN In loving memory of George PYSDEN Who died March 18th 1926 Aged 75 years Also Jane his wife Who died December 25th 1931 Aged 79 years RIP (Have Photo) ASPEY In Loving memory of my dear daughter Hilda ASPEY Who died 13th March 1919 Aged 28 years Also of her husband Albert Killed in action April 14th 1918 Aged 28 years Peace Perfect Peace (Have Photo) JEZARD Sacred to the memory of Susannah The beloved wife of David JEZARD And daughter of Thomas THARE? Of this parish Died on the 13th September 1835 Aged 63 years Within were fear, I sought the Lord and he heard me And delivered me from all my fears. Also of the above David JEZARD Died June 1st 1890 Aged 84 years Man looketh on the outward appearance But the Lord looketh on the heart. (Have Photo) JEZZARD Scared to the memory of Henry JEZZARD Who died December 24th 1818 Aged 45 years Also Susannah JEZZARD Who died October 13th 1805 Aged 35 years And two of their children who died young (Have Photo) WOOD In memory of Margaret Wife of William WOOD of this parish Who died June 12th 1847 Aged 69 years Also of the above William WOOD Formerly of Sweech Farm in this Parish Who died July 6th 1857 In his 82nd Year (Have Photo) LASLETT Sacred to the memory of Mary Margaret Beloved wife of Thomas LASLETT of the City of Canterbury Who died 2nd October 1848 Aged 46 Years Also of Charles, son of the above Who died 27th Feb 1811 In the 7th year of his age Also of Thomas LASLETT Who died at Chatham 25th January 1881 In his 77th year His end was peace (Have Photo) INGLETON In loving memory of Lilian Marjory INGLETON Who died 27th September 1896 Aged 9 years Also of Edna Blanche INGLETON Who died April 11th 1884 Aged 8 months He Shall Gather the lambs with his arm And carry them in his bosom. Also to the loving memory of Hubert John INGLETON Lieut 4th Lancashire Fusiliers Who died in France 2nd November 1918 >From wounds received in Action. Aged 30 (Have Photo) TWYMAN In loving memory of Arthur John TWYMAN Who died January 23rd 1910 Aged 35 Lord save us all Also of John Burton TWYMAN Who passed away November 17th 1919 Aged 72 years and 11 months Rest with God Also of Mary Pidduck TWYMAN Who died Dec 7th 1942 in her 91st year (Have Photo) Margate Local & Family History

From The Aberdeen Journal ( Aberdeen, Scotland ), Monday, June 29, 1801; Issue 2790.   BIRTHS. At Chatham, the Lady of Commissioner HOPE, a son.

Another local history question - wondering if anyone has any information about what schooling would have been available in Aldington in the early 1800s, if any, and particularly whether there is any information about attendance of children from the labouring classes? Regards, Lynne

Hi everyone, In the early 1800s my ancestor Elizabeth Gilham had two illegitimate children to two different fathers. She lived in Aldington and the Overseers accounts records payments for her lying in and support. I am hoping that someone on the list can provide some additional information in relation to the entries that refer to: - a journey to Canterbury with Elizabeth Gilham and expenses paid to James Crothall in respect of Elizabeth Gilham. This was around 1803. Would she have been sent to a workhouse at Canterbury? Was James Crothall connected to the workhouse or overseer? The father of this child was Thomas Carpenter who had a farm at Aldington Corner. I would love to know more about the farm, about Thomas (late in life he married his servant, Sarah Mummery and seems not to have had any legitimate children as his property was left to his wife, nieces and nephews). - a payment for the journey to William Deeds Esquire with Thomas Carpenter. Was Deeds a solicitor by any chance? Perhaps the journey was to make arrangements for the regular payments that Thomas made towards his son's support. Or perhaps he was seeking to avoid the commitment? I would appreciate any relevant local and family history information - I think I have discovered all I can by googling but if you can point me in the direction of journal articles or local history publications that I can obtain (from Australia) that would be very much appreciated. Regards, Lynne (Canberra, Australia)

Lynne, A National School was established in 1835 by William Deedes Esq. for 150 mixed and infant children. Regards Peter Another local history question - wondering if anyone has any information about what schooling would have been available in Aldington in the early 1800s, if any, and particularly whether there is any information about attendance of children from the labouring classes? Regards, Lynne

Lynne, Aldington was a sub-district in the East Ashford Poor Law Union and the workhouse was based at Willesborough. Regards Peter I would appreciate any relevant local and family history information - I think I have discovered all I can by googling but if you can point me in the direction of journal articles or local history publications that I can obtain (from Australia) that would be very much appreciated. Regards, Lynne (Canberra, Australia)

Kitson and Gillam, on Aldington schooling, you could try a specialist in C18th-C19th education in Kent: A. G. Fairman, 46 Bower Street, Maidstone, Kent ME16 8SD. Richard Goulden