On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Lynda Rooke <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Damien,There are several people on Ancestry who have Henry Thomas on their tree. One gives a specific birth date of 14 feb 1850 in Canterbury, Kent > However, this event is not sourced so you would need to investigate further to see whether this date is correct or not. The other trees give a year of birth as 1850 and only say that Henry was born in England. Again, these trees are not sourced so there is nothing to back them up at this stage.  Lynda Ahunh, off to the library to use ancestry I should go. I am a bit suspicious of info there, legacy of a mispent youth and finding mostly american info :) 1850 could be the year of birth based off his death certificate, and 14th feb would match that too - he died Feb 28th at 96 in 1946. But there's only one Henry Moore registered in Kent in the first half of that year, and he's a Henry James, on Sheppey (freebmd.org.uk) thank you for the reply :) Damien > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:29:29 +1000 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [KENT-ENG] Moore family in Dover c 1850 onward? >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am hoping someone might be able to help me out. I have an ancestor >> by the name of Henry Thomas Moore that I am trying to hunt down. >> >> He listed his parents as Thomas Moore (Labourer) and Hannah Treacy or >> Theacy on his wedding certificate. His age fluctuates a little bit >> from document to document, giving a birth year somewhere between 1848 >> to 1852. He mostly claims to have been born in Dover (although one >> document says Cambridge, which was a bit odd), and family anecdotes >> say Dover as well. >> >> He came to Australia - I think in 1866 - and married there in 1875. >> His parents remained in England, and family anecdote says that he >> exchanged letters with his mother for some time. >> >> Beyond that, its either been a blank wall or too many options. If this >> tickles anyone's memories, it'd be greatly appreciated :) >> >> thanks, >> Damien Moore >> Melbourne, Australia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I am hoping someone might be able to help me out. I have an ancestor by the name of Henry Thomas Moore that I am trying to hunt down. He listed his parents as Thomas Moore (Labourer) and Hannah Treacy or Theacy on his wedding certificate. His age fluctuates a little bit from document to document, giving a birth year somewhere between 1848 to 1852. He mostly claims to have been born in Dover (although one document says Cambridge, which was a bit odd), and family anecdotes say Dover as well. He came to Australia - I think in 1866 - and married there in 1875. His parents remained in England, and family anecdote says that he exchanged letters with his mother for some time. Beyond that, its either been a blank wall or too many options. If this tickles anyone's memories, it'd be greatly appreciated :) thanks, Damien Moore Melbourne, Australia

Hi Damien There is no sign of a baptism for Henry Thomas Moore on the Canterbury PRs Index. Regards Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of eccles Sent: 20 June 2012 06:29 To: [email protected] Subject: [KENT-ENG] Moore family in Dover c 1850 onward? Hi all, I am hoping someone might be able to help me out. I have an ancestor by the name of Henry Thomas Moore that I am trying to hunt down. He listed his parents as Thomas Moore (Labourer) and Hannah Treacy or Theacy on his wedding certificate. His age fluctuates a little bit from document to document, giving a birth year somewhere between 1848 to 1852. He mostly claims to have been born in Dover (although one document says Cambridge, which was a bit odd), and family anecdotes say Dover as well. He came to Australia - I think in 1866 - and married there in 1875. His parents remained in England, and family anecdote says that he exchanged letters with his mother for some time. Beyond that, its either been a blank wall or too many options. If this tickles anyone's memories, it'd be greatly appreciated :) thanks, Damien Moore Melbourne, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Damien,There are several people on Ancestry who have Henry Thomas on their tree. One gives a specific birth date of 14 feb 1850 in Canterbury, Kent However, this event is not sourced so you would need to investigate further to see whether this date is correct or not. The other trees give a year of birth as 1850 and only say that Henry was born in England. Again, these trees are not sourced so there is nothing to back them up at this stage. Lynda > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:29:29 +1000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [KENT-ENG] Moore family in Dover c 1850 onward? > > Hi all, > > I am hoping someone might be able to help me out. I have an ancestor > by the name of Henry Thomas Moore that I am trying to hunt down. > > He listed his parents as Thomas Moore (Labourer) and Hannah Treacy or > Theacy on his wedding certificate. His age fluctuates a little bit > from document to document, giving a birth year somewhere between 1848 > to 1852. He mostly claims to have been born in Dover (although one > document says Cambridge, which was a bit odd), and family anecdotes > say Dover as well. > > He came to Australia - I think in 1866 - and married there in 1875. > His parents remained in England, and family anecdote says that he > exchanged letters with his mother for some time. > > Beyond that, its either been a blank wall or too many options. If this > tickles anyone's memories, it'd be greatly appreciated :) > > thanks, > Damien Moore > Melbourne, Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I have made significant updates to my genealogical website at http://web.me.com/marcsherland/Family_Geneaology/Welcome.html This includes extensive help pages including 100 questions to ask family members. Please note that the site will be moving to a new location in early July, so best take a look before the move. All the best Stuart Hammond

Hi Andy, Think I sent you the wrong reply. Thanks for the info on the medal, although too expensive the additional listing information is invaluable. Well spotted. Staurt ________________________________ From: Andy Hedgcock <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:24 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Ambrose George HOAD & Matilda DENGATE Hi all Just came across this listing on Ebay for this chap's medal. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370623206446&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123 Bit pricey though. Cheers Andy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol, Really good to hear from you and I hope you are keeping well and enjoying life. I will look at the welter of info you have provided here and try to tie it in as best I can. I am astounded at the clear resemblance between the portraits in the first email. Will get back to you in a couple of days. All the best Stuart ________________________________ From: Andy Hedgcock <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:24 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Ambrose George HOAD & Matilda DENGATE Hi all Just came across this listing on Ebay for this chap's medal. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370623206446&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123 Bit pricey though. Cheers Andy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looks like a marriage for Richard FG Wall in Sep Qtr. 1954 Wells district. Seems to be some confusion as to bride's christian names - shown as both Theresia and Maria T WITTE. That's a lot of Ws - Wall marrying Witte in Wells! Also a couple of children: Michael F Dec 1954 Wells district Caroline A Sep 1957 Wells district Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beverley Brookes Sent: 17 June 2012 13:29 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] HARRY FRANK WALL The B Wall could be his daughter Lilian B. Many people use their middle name as their first. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Whapshott" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 6:15:53 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] HARRY FRANK WALL Hello Jim The link underneath takes you to the national archives website and to a naval record for Harry. He appears to have been in the Navy for a period of time, receiving a long service medal and some form of grant in 1941 when he was serving on HMS Pembroke (on Ancestry). It is possible that the document at the Archive site will give you a next of kin. In addition, using some lateral thinking these may be of interest but may equally may be completely on the wrong track. Whilst the RF WALL loosely fits can't find a B WALL (he married a Maria). Devonport having a naval base is what made these stand out. Harry WALL married Florence SILK Farnham Sept qtr 1930 Richard F G WALL born Devonport Dec qtr 1931 mother SILK Lilian B WALL born Devonport Mar qtr 1935, died 1936 aged 1, mother SILK http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7108124 In case you didn't know, Bluebell Woods in the 1980's was a very nice peaceful residential fixed mobile home park. My friend's parents lived at number 40 (I think) Good luck Helen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Hansen Sent: 17 June 2012 5:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [KENT-ENG] HARRY FRANK WALL Seeking information about my Great Uncle. Harry Frank WALL. Born 11th August 1908 at Beckenham in Kent. Shown on 1911 census with his family. No other information until 1961 when he married for (apparently) the second time Elizabeth HOWARD. (Spinster) at St Saviour,s Catholic Church, Lewisham. He died at 52 Bluebell Wood, Broad Oak , Kent , 26 July, 1984. Elizabeth Wall passed away at Sturry, Kent, 30 th August, 1989. I am seeking information about his first marriage. On the certificate for his second marriage the witnesses are shown as R F WALL and B WALL. Could these be his children. There are no other family possibilities . Grateful for any information or advice as how to proceed with the search. Thanks. Jim Hansen. Brisbane , Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seeking information about my Great Uncle. Harry Frank WALL. Born 11th August 1908 at Beckenham in Kent. Shown on 1911 census with his family. No other information until 1961 when he married for (apparently) the second time Elizabeth HOWARD. (Spinster) at St Saviour,s Catholic Church, Lewisham. He died at 52 Bluebell Wood, Broad Oak , Kent , 26 July, 1984. Elizabeth Wall passed away at Sturry, Kent, 30 th August, 1989. I am seeking information about his first marriage. On the certificate for his second marriage the witnesses are shown as R F WALL and B WALL. Could these be his children. There are no other family possibilities . Grateful for any information or advice as how to proceed with the search. Thanks. Jim Hansen. Brisbane , Australia.

Hello Jim The link underneath takes you to the national archives website and to a naval record for Harry. He appears to have been in the Navy for a period of time, receiving a long service medal and some form of grant in 1941 when he was serving on HMS Pembroke (on Ancestry). It is possible that the document at the Archive site will give you a next of kin. In addition, using some lateral thinking these may be of interest but may equally may be completely on the wrong track. Whilst the RF WALL loosely fits can't find a B WALL (he married a Maria). Devonport having a naval base is what made these stand out. Harry WALL married Florence SILK Farnham Sept qtr 1930 Richard F G WALL born Devonport Dec qtr 1931 mother SILK Lilian B WALL born Devonport Mar qtr 1935, died 1936 aged 1, mother SILK http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7108124 In case you didn't know, Bluebell Woods in the 1980's was a very nice peaceful residential fixed mobile home park. My friend's parents lived at number 40 (I think) Good luck Helen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Hansen Sent: 17 June 2012 5:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [KENT-ENG] HARRY FRANK WALL Seeking information about my Great Uncle. Harry Frank WALL. Born 11th August 1908 at Beckenham in Kent. Shown on 1911 census with his family. No other information until 1961 when he married for (apparently) the second time Elizabeth HOWARD. (Spinster) at St Saviour,s Catholic Church, Lewisham. He died at 52 Bluebell Wood, Broad Oak , Kent , 26 July, 1984. Elizabeth Wall passed away at Sturry, Kent, 30 th August, 1989. I am seeking information about his first marriage. On the certificate for his second marriage the witnesses are shown as R F WALL and B WALL. Could these be his children. There are no other family possibilities . Grateful for any information or advice as how to proceed with the search. Thanks. Jim Hansen. Brisbane , Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The B Wall could be his daughter Lilian B. Many people use their middle name as their first. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Whapshott" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 6:15:53 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] HARRY FRANK WALL Hello Jim The link underneath takes you to the national archives website and to a naval record for Harry. He appears to have been in the Navy for a period of time, receiving a long service medal and some form of grant in 1941 when he was serving on HMS Pembroke (on Ancestry). It is possible that the document at the Archive site will give you a next of kin. In addition, using some lateral thinking these may be of interest but may equally may be completely on the wrong track. Whilst the RF WALL loosely fits can't find a B WALL (he married a Maria). Devonport having a naval base is what made these stand out. Harry WALL married Florence SILK Farnham Sept qtr 1930 Richard F G WALL born Devonport Dec qtr 1931 mother SILK Lilian B WALL born Devonport Mar qtr 1935, died 1936 aged 1, mother SILK http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7108124 In case you didn't know, Bluebell Woods in the 1980's was a very nice peaceful residential fixed mobile home park. My friend's parents lived at number 40 (I think) Good luck Helen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Hansen Sent: 17 June 2012 5:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [KENT-ENG] HARRY FRANK WALL Seeking information about my Great Uncle. Harry Frank WALL. Born 11th August 1908 at Beckenham in Kent. Shown on 1911 census with his family. No other information until 1961 when he married for (apparently) the second time Elizabeth HOWARD. (Spinster) at St Saviour,s Catholic Church, Lewisham. He died at 52 Bluebell Wood, Broad Oak , Kent , 26 July, 1984. Elizabeth Wall passed away at Sturry, Kent, 30 th August, 1989. I am seeking information about his first marriage. On the certificate for his second marriage the witnesses are shown as R F WALL and B WALL. Could these be his children. There are no other family possibilities . Grateful for any information or advice as how to proceed with the search. Thanks. Jim Hansen. Brisbane , Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ken, I think that your Alfred Austin was Alfred T b 1874 Gravesend no as I mentioned in West Malling Workhouse. Bessie died 1917 Maidstone and the Henrietta on the 1901 census is her sister, 1891 parents Alfred Austin b 1844 Canterbury Butcher and Rebecca born Stepney 1850 Living in 7 West Street, Gravesend 1881 missing Cannot find a marriage Hope the above helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken old" <[email protected]> To: "Kent Listers" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED Alfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 Bower Street Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956 I have been trying to find his mothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on his grave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in maidstone, she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his son Geogre Austin died in Australia and I have been researching the family for my wife George's daughter. The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012 His Marriage certificate no is COL 486803 In 1911 he was living with his family at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifying his mother will enable me to perhaps identify his brothers and sisters and trace his family further. Thank you in anticipation Ken Old ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree - I wouldn't assume that the Alfred in 1881 & 1891 is the same man. I would favour the birth reg. Sep 1874 Dartford area ref: 2a 395, as this area covers both Northfleet and Swanscombe. Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beverley Brookes Sent: 16 June 2012 16:26 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED I am not convinced that the Alfred in the 1881 and 1891 censuses is your man, given the difference in place of birth. You have not provided any rationale on why you think it's him, other than DOB. Your man is, presumably, the one in the 1911 Census, age 34 and born in Swamcombe, wife Bessie 28, children Bessie Mary 10, Lily 6, Elise May 4 and George 10 months. They are in the 1901C at 171 Prospect Ave, Strood Intra, although Alfred is now 38(?) and born in Northfleet, Bessie is 19 and Bessie M is 10 months. Also at #171 is Mary Fay, Bessie's mother, several of Bessie's siblings and a boarder. Northfleet is acceptable as a POB because it is right next door to Swancombe. The puzzling bit is the marked difference in age. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Harris" <[email protected]> To: "ken old" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:20:44 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED Hello Ken Alfred was 80 when he died in 1956. found a birth 1976 reg Sevenoaks. 1881 He is an inmate in Wes Malling presumably a workhouse with siblings Frank 14, Julia 10, George 8, Alfred 8 William 4, and Mary 1, which suggests they were orphans, all born different places Wrotham , Wouldham milling and Barming 1891 Alfred and George boarding Church Hill, Sevenoaks. 1900 Married Bessie Fry b Strood 1823 1901 Missing 1911 Living 13 Wykham Street, Strood Children Lily 6 Elsie 4 George 10 months Can not guarantee the above is correct but almost impossible to find the parents, nothing on 1871 census for Frank. Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken old" <[email protected]> To: "Kent Listers" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED Alfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 Bower Street Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956 I have been trying to find his mothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on his grave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in maidstone, she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his son Geogre Austin died in Australia and I have been researching the family for my wife George's daughter. The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012 His Marriage certificate no is COL 486803 In 1911 he was living with his family at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifying his mother will enable me to perhaps identify his brothers and sisters and trace his family further. Thank you in anticipation Ken Old ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Findmypast has Alfred at 1901 as aged 28. If you zoom in you'll see it is actually a 2 and not a 3! Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beverley Brookes Sent: 16 June 2012 16:26 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED I am not convinced that the Alfred in the 1881 and 1891 censuses is your man, given the difference in place of birth. You have not provided any rationale on why you think it's him, other than DOB. Your man is, presumably, the one in the 1911 Census, age 34 and born in Swamcombe, wife Bessie 28, children Bessie Mary 10, Lily 6, Elise May 4 and George 10 months. They are in the 1901C at 171 Prospect Ave, Strood Intra, although Alfred is now 38(?) and born in Northfleet, Bessie is 19 and Bessie M is 10 months. Also at #171 is Mary Fay, Bessie's mother, several of Bessie's siblings and a boarder. Northfleet is acceptable as a POB because it is right next door to Swancombe. The puzzling bit is the marked difference in age. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Harris" <[email protected]> To: "ken old" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:20:44 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED Hello Ken Alfred was 80 when he died in 1956. found a birth 1976 reg Sevenoaks. 1881 He is an inmate in Wes Malling presumably a workhouse with siblings Frank 14, Julia 10, George 8, Alfred 8 William 4, and Mary 1, which suggests they were orphans, all born different places Wrotham , Wouldham milling and Barming 1891 Alfred and George boarding Church Hill, Sevenoaks. 1900 Married Bessie Fry b Strood 1823 1901 Missing 1911 Living 13 Wykham Street, Strood Children Lily 6 Elsie 4 George 10 months Can not guarantee the above is correct but almost impossible to find the parents, nothing on 1871 census for Frank. Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken old" <[email protected]> To: "Kent Listers" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED Alfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 Bower Street Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956 I have been trying to find his mothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on his grave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in maidstone, she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his son Geogre Austin died in Australia and I have been researching the family for my wife George's daughter. The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012 His Marriage certificate no is COL 486803 In 1911 he was living with his family at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifying his mother will enable me to perhaps identify his brothers and sisters and trace his family further. Thank you in anticipation Ken Old ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If he is born in Swanscombe as another lister suggests then the best place to look is the medway cityark website as they have most of the baptisms on there. I have found that very useful and saved a lot of money on certificates. GLoria -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ken old Sent: 16 June 2012 11:41 To: Kent Listers Subject: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED Alfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 Bower Street Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956  I have been trying to find his mothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on his grave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in maidstone, she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his son Geogre Austin died in Australia and I have been researching the family for my wife George's daughter. The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012 His Marriage certificate no is COL 486803 In 1911 he was living with his family at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifying his mother will enable me to perhaps identify his brothers and sisters and trace his family further. Thank you in anticipation Ken Old ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ken, First, my apologies for what is going to look like a long explanation. But there are two families that you need to be certain you do not confuse. The marriage certificate for Alfred Austin and Bessie Fry can be found on CityArk http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=ShowImg&Img=/cityark/Scans/Ecclesiastical_Rochester_Archdeaconry_Area_Parishes/P150_FRINDSBURY_1669_1984/01_Incumbent_Registers_1669_1984/P150_01_19.html/00000633.jpg Alfred and Bessie married, according to that marriage registration (p. 217, entry no. 433) on November 3, 1900 at Strood, Alfred being then 23 years of age and Bessie 17 years of age. Alfred's father is recorded as being George Austin, a carman. Bessie's father, also a George, was a carman but was deceased at the time of the marriage in 1900. Witnesses were Andrew Angel and Mary Fry. So, having established that you have a father's name for Alfred, one needs to look closely at the ages that he has given on documents around that time: 1900 marriage age 23 = born circa 1877 place of birth not stated 1901 census age 28 = bc 1873 at Northfleet 1911 census age 34 = bc 1877 at Swanscombe North Aylesford registration district contains the parish of Northfleet (up to 1884 and thereafter in Strood district, currently Gravesend district). Swanscombe was in Dartford district (currently Gravesend district). Wouldham and Wrotham were in Malling registration district (now Maidstone district) - for which see 1871 and 1891 information below. So, of the three entries above with only two places included, it would strongly suggest when compared to the birth registrations that occurred between 1872 and 1878 that the registration of a birth of an Alfred Austin in September quarter 1874 in Dartford district (vol. 2a, p 395) would be the best bet for being your Alfred Austin's birth. There is no registration for an Alfred Austin or Austen between 1870 and 1880 at Malling district. But, of course, birth and registration did not always happen in the same district. You will have to be careful to not confuse two families in the Wouldham area: 1) George (born Wouldham, aged 13 in 1881) son of George Austin of Lincolnshire; and, 2) George Austin with no known father who resided at the Union workhouse born Wouldham but aged only 8 in 1881. See below for more details. In 1871 George Austin of Spalding, Lincolnshire, age 58 (bc 1813) is living in Wouldham with his wife Sarai [sic] aged 48 born Lynn, Norfolk, and children: Sarai, aged 19 born Lynn Norfolk, William aged 13, born Kent Selling, Fanny aged 10, born Dunkirk, Kent, Avery, a daughter aged 8 born Wouldham, Kent, Harriott aged 6 born Wouldham, Kent and George a son, aged 3, born Wouldham, Kent. It appears that this George was registered as Austen during June quarter 1872 in Malling District, vol. 2a, p. 491. In 1881 George Austin of Spalding (as above) is still living at Wouldham with wife now named Mary but her having been born at Lynn, Norfolk, with children William, Arriett [sic], George (now aged 13) and Charles aged 10. In 1891 there is a George Austin aged 20 and Alfred Austin aged 17, both born at Wouldham, both boarders at Seal on Church Hill with George and Mary Ann Hider, perhaps both being brothers, and not being children of the George and Sarai at Wouldham in 1871. No doubt, though, that this is the family that shows up in the Union workhouse in 1881, George Austin being then aged 8 born at Wouldham. However, overall, the three registers for Church of England for Swanscombe, Northfleet and Wouldham are all available for free viewing on the Cityark website http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=Search&PathList=%2FZ4a_Medway_Ancestors%2F%0A&SearchWords=&DateList=So, it looks like you may have a bit of recourse to some parish registers toattempt to find a baptism for Alfred to a father, George.Sincerely,Susan D. YoungChief Executive, Ancestry Solutions www.ancestrysolutions.comCounty Administrator, Kent OPC Project www.kent-opc.org----- Original Message -----From: "ken old" <[email protected]>To: "Kent Listers" <[email protected]>Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:41 AMSubject: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFREDAlfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 BowerStreet Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956 I have been trying to find hismothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on hisgrave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in maidstone,she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his sonGeogre Austin died in Australia and I have been re! searching the family formy wife George's daughter.The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012His Marriage certificate no is COL 486803In 1911 he was living with his family at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifyinghis mother will enable me to perhaps identify his brothers and sisters andtrace his family further. Thank you in anticipation Ken Old

Hello Ken Alfred was 80 when he died in 1956. found a birth 1976 reg Sevenoaks. 1881 He is an inmate in Wes Malling presumably a workhouse with siblings Frank 14, Julia 10, George 8, Alfred 8 William 4, and Mary 1, which suggests they were orphans, all born different places Wrotham , Wouldham milling and Barming 1891 Alfred and George boarding Church Hill, Sevenoaks. 1900 Married Bessie Fry b Strood 1823 1901 Missing 1911 Living 13 Wykham Street, Strood Children Lily 6 Elsie 4 George 10 months Can not guarantee the above is correct but almost impossible to find the parents, nothing on 1871 census for Frank. Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken old" <[email protected]> To: "Kent Listers" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED Alfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 Bower Street Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956 I have been trying to find his mothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on his grave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in maidstone, she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his son Geogre Austin died in Australia and I have been researching the family for my wife George's daughter. The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012 His Marriage certificate no is COL 486803 In 1911 he was living with his family at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifying his mother will enable me to perhaps identify his brothers and sisters and trace his family further. Thank you in anticipation Ken Old ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

But in the 1901 census he and Bessie and their 4 month old daughter Bessie are living in Strood and his pob is given as Northfleet. I think he may be the same Alfred in the Malling Union in 1881 with his family, parents George and Julia. HTH, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley Brookes" <[email protected]> To: "geneal eg" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: "Kent Listers" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED > According to the census, he was 34 and born in Swanscombe, which is just > west of Gravesend. That would make him born c1877. There is no Alfred > Austin born in that area in that age range BUT there is an Alfred Thomas > Austen born 1875 in the Gravesend District. If it were me. I'd invest in > getting the certificate. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Genealogy" <[email protected]> > To: "ken old" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Kent > Listers" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:50:29 AM > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED > > Hi, > Do you have his birth date and place, even an approximate details would > help? > > Thanks, > Geoff Underhill > Primary families: > AUSTE/IN, BEE/ACH, BUGDEN, BUTLER, HICKMOTT, KING, LAWRENCE, UNDERHILL, > AVERY from Kent & Sussex, UK > ---------------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of ken old > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:41 AM > To: Kent Listers > Subject: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED > > Alfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 Bower > Street Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956 I have been trying to find his > mothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on > his > grave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in > maidstone, > she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his son > Geogre Austin died in Australia and I have been researching the family for > my wife George's daughter. > The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012 His > Marriage certificate no is COL 486803 In 1911 he was living with his > family > at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifying his mother will enable me to > perhaps > identify his brothers and sisters and trace his family further. Thank you > in > anticipation Ken Old > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello from New Zealand I am trying to find anyone with the name of Whelan that moved from London to Kent,have just found out that these people are my relatives. Thanking you Eileen

Ken: What is his father's name on the marriage certificate? Perhaps we could find Alfred and his mother through his father. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Slater" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 2:18:12 PM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED I agree - I wouldn't assume that the Alfred in 1881 & 1891 is the same man. I would favour the birth reg. Sep 1874 Dartford area ref: 2a 395, as this area covers both Northfleet and Swanscombe. Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beverley Brookes Sent: 16 June 2012 16:26 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED I am not convinced that the Alfred in the 1881 and 1891 censuses is your man, given the difference in place of birth. You have not provided any rationale on why you think it's him, other than DOB. Your man is, presumably, the one in the 1911 Census, age 34 and born in Swamcombe, wife Bessie 28, children Bessie Mary 10, Lily 6, Elise May 4 and George 10 months. They are in the 1901C at 171 Prospect Ave, Strood Intra, although Alfred is now 38(?) and born in Northfleet, Bessie is 19 and Bessie M is 10 months. Also at #171 is Mary Fay, Bessie's mother, several of Bessie's siblings and a boarder. Northfleet is acceptable as a POB because it is right next door to Swancombe. The puzzling bit is the marked difference in age. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Harris" <[email protected]> To: "ken old" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:20:44 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED Hello Ken Alfred was 80 when he died in 1956. found a birth 1976 reg Sevenoaks. 1881 He is an inmate in Wes Malling presumably a workhouse with siblings Frank 14, Julia 10, George 8, Alfred 8 William 4, and Mary 1, which suggests they were orphans, all born different places Wrotham , Wouldham milling and Barming 1891 Alfred and George boarding Church Hill, Sevenoaks. 1900 Married Bessie Fry b Strood 1823 1901 Missing 1911 Living 13 Wykham Street, Strood Children Lily 6 Elsie 4 George 10 months Can not guarantee the above is correct but almost impossible to find the parents, nothing on 1871 census for Frank. Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken old" <[email protected]> To: "Kent Listers" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED Alfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 Bower Street Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956 I have been trying to find his mothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on his grave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in maidstone, she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his son Geogre Austin died in Australia and I have been researching the family for my wife George's daughter. The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012 His Marriage certificate no is COL 486803 In 1911 he was living with his family at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifying his mother will enable me to perhaps identify his brothers and sisters and trace his family further. Thank you in anticipation Ken Old ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message