Reenee, You could try the Council as they have a website.  This is the page that covers most genealogy things. https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Goodnestone_%28near_Sandwich%29,_Kent Possibly there is no one looking after it but see if you can find a friends of group. Often a local gets to see these in the right light and can read bits.  RootsChat (it is free to join) would most likely put you in contact with such a person. Good luck. Irene.    ----- Original Message ----- From: reenee_tree@yahoo.com kent-eng@rootsweb.com To:"kent-eng@rootsweb.com" Cc: Sent:Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject:[KENT-ENG] Monumental inscriptions Where can a person write to find monumental inscriptions for Goodnestone near Sandwich.  Esther Morris died in 1862.  The cemetery headstones were so weathered when we visited there that I could read nothing for that time period and could find no one in the village who knew where there were any such records.   Thank you, Reenee   snip ------------------------- Email sent using Optus Webmail

_____ "Would anyone on the List be ableto help me with the following question? Kevenhuller Skinner ran a goldsmith's shop in London until sometime after 1777 when he seems to have moved to Kent. I found this advertisement on the net: To be Let to the Best Bidder: (and May be Entered on Immediately) on a Lease for 21 Years, Commencing at Michaelmas Next, at a Clear Rent, Free from All Deductions Whatever, at the Fountain Inn, in Canterbury, on Wednesday May 31, 1780, at Four O'clock in the Afternoon, All the Messuage Or Tenement, Now Divided Into Two Messuages Or Tenements, Together with Nineteen Acres, Two Roods, Twenty-three Perches of Land, (more Or Less) Lying and Being in the Parish of St. Michael, Harbledown, Near Canterbury, in the County of Kent, Late in the Occupation of Mr. Kevenhuller Skinner http://books.google.com.au/books/about/To_be_Let_to_the_Best_Bidder.html?id= 8QZmNQEACAAJ <http://books.google.com.au/books/about/To_be_Let_to_the_Best_Bidder.html?id =8QZmNQEACAAJ&redir_esc=y> &redir_esc=y By 1781 he seems later to have moved to North Lane in Canterbury where his children were baptised at HolyCross. His will makes no mention of this land. My question is why would a seemingly successful trained goldsmith, move to the country onto what seems farmland and then to Canterbury where his will describes him as "Engineer and broker" (whatever those terms mean)? " David Cornelius

_____ "Would anyone on the List be ableto help me with the following question? Kevenhuller Skinner ran a goldsmith's shop in London until sometime after 1777 when he seems to have moved to Kent. I found this advertisement on the net: To be Let to the Best Bidder: (and May be Entered on Immediately) on a Lease for 21 Years, Commencing at Michaelmas Next, at a Clear Rent, Free from All Deductions Whatever, at the Fountain Inn, in Canterbury, on Wednesday May 31, 1780, at Four O'clock in the Afternoon, All the Messuage Or Tenement, Now Divided Into Two Messuages Or Tenements, Together with Nineteen Acres, Two Roods, Twenty-three Perches of Land, (more Or Less) Lying and Being in the Parish of St. Michael, Harbledown, Near Canterbury, in the County of Kent, Late in the Occupation of Mr. Kevenhuller Skinner http://books.google.com.au/books/about/To_be_Let_to_the_Best_Bidder.html?id= 8QZmNQEACAAJ <http://books.google.com.au/books/about/To_be_Let_to_the_Best_Bidder.html?id =8QZmNQEACAAJ&redir_esc=y> &redir_esc=y By 1781 he seems later to have moved to North Lane in Canterbury where his children were baptised at HolyCross. His will makes no mention of this land. My question is why would a seemingly successful trained goldsmith, move to the country onto what seems farmland and then to Canterbury where his will describes him as "Engineer and broker" (whatever those terms mean)? " David Cornelius

hcounter@aol.com wrote: > > I would never assume that a family could not afford a stone, but > would always do as she is doing and try to find transcriptions when > older stones are difficult to read. We have found stones from as > early as 1762 and even an obit of sorts back as far as 1822. > Finding transcriptions helped us to know what was on the parts of > the stones that we couldn't read. Hallo I wasn't assuming, more a case of don't assume there is one when there may not be. It is a fact not every family could afford a headstone. At least half the graves in my families have no gravestone. That is not because it has worn or been broken or been removed because it was in danger of toppling. Nor was it a paupers grave. It was because the family couldn't afford one. Or maybe they just didn't want one. The lady who raised the query didn't say what the family occupation was. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Agreed. Rather than assuming there either is or is not one, I always search for obits and burials amd stones just in case. And check the records of the cemeteries when we find the burials we search cemeteries and cemetery records. Sometimes we find them buried with extended family members, sometimes on their own. Sometimes we find stones, sometimes notations on the stones of family or extended family, sometimes nothing. But we always look. Same with local newspapers, we always search for mention of the families. Annie in Minnesota -----Original Message----- From: Connie <connie.sparrer@gmail.com> To: kent-eng <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2013 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Monumental inscriptions hcounter@aol.com wrote: > > I would never assume that a family could not afford a stone, but > would always do as she is doing and try to find transcriptions when > older stones are difficult to read. We have found stones from as > early as 1762 and even an obit of sorts back as far as 1822. > Finding transcriptions helped us to know what was on the parts of > the stones that we couldn't read. Hallo I wasn't assuming, more a case of don't assume there is one when there may not be. It is a fact not every family could afford a headstone. At least half the graves in my families have no gravestone. That is not because it has worn or been broken or been removed because it was in danger of toppling. Nor was it a paupers grave. It was because the family couldn't afford one. Or maybe they just didn't want one. The lady who raised the query didn't say what the family occupation was. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

reenee_tree@yahoo.com wrote: > Where can a person write to find monumental inscriptions for Goodnestone near Sandwich. Esther Morris died in 1862. The cemetery headstones were so weathered when we visited there that I could read nothing for that time period and could find no one in the village who knew where there were any such records. Hallo Are you sure she had a headstone? It was often more than a family could afford. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

I would never assume that a family could not afford a stone, but would always do as she is doing and try to find transcriptions when older stones are difficult to read. We have found stones from as early as 1762 and even an obit of sorts back as far as 1822. Finding transcriptions helped us to know what was on the parts of the stones that we couldn't read. Annie in Minnesota -----Original Message----- From: Connie <connie.sparrer@gmail.com> To: reenee_tree <reenee_tree@yahoo.com>; kent-eng <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2013 3:49 pm Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Monumental inscriptions reenee_tree@yahoo.com wrote: > Where can a person write to find monumental inscriptions for Goodnestone near Sandwich. Esther Morris died in 1862. The cemetery headstones were so weathered when we visited there that I could read nothing for that time period and could find no one in the village who knew where there were any such records. Hallo Are you sure she had a headstone? It was often more than a family could afford. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where can a person write to find monumental inscriptions for Goodnestone near Sandwich.  Esther Morris died in 1862.  The cemetery headstones were so weathered when we visited there that I could read nothing for that time period and could find no one in the village who knew where there were any such records.   Thank you, Reenee

You need the Dover District Council burials team: Telephone No. +44 1304 872458 (or 01304 872458 within UK) Email: burials@dover.gov.uk More details at: http://www.dover.gov.uk/Council-Property/Cemeteries--Churchyards/Home.aspx Steve Baldock B.Sc.(Hons)(Eng) *contact@baldockfaggfamily.org.uk* *http://baldockfaggfamily.org.uk* Facebook: baldockfaggfamily <http://www.facebook.com/baldockfaggfamily> Twitter: @baldockfaggfam <http://twitter.com/baldockfaggfam> Norfolk FHS # *12782* Kent FHS # *12869* GOONS #* 5618* * * * *

Hi Frances The burial of John BOGGS is recorded in the register of St Marys church, Dover. It shows that he died at Dover Castle aged 69 and was buried 19th August 1826. Burials recorded in that register have been made at different locationsat different times. Prior to 1837 the burial would have been in the actual churchyard in the town centre. Between 1837 and 1870 it would have been at the burial ground at Cowgate Hill, see http://www.doversociety.org.uk/projects/cowgate-cemetery Following 1870 the new St Mary's cemetery at Copt Hill would have been used. (This is the one referred to by Steve in his e-mail). So your John would have been interred in the churchyard surrounding the actual parish church in the town centre. This has been re-organised several times with headstones having been moved etc. and some having been lost or destroyed by bomb blast in WW2. I am not sure if you will be able to ascertain exactly whereabouts in the churchyard he is. All the best Dave Dixon BA (hons) - Economic & Social History - University of Kent - Canterbury 1997 www.fadedgenes.co.uk On 23 July 2013 21:48, Frances Lee <frances@mayleecat.com> wrote: > Jim > > Someone found the information that my 3 x great grandfather John Boggs died > at Dover Castle on 3rd August 1826. He was in the Royal Artillery. I > presume he would have been buried there! > > Who would I contact at Dover Borough Council? > > Best wishes > > Frances > > On 2 April 2013 09:04, Steve Baldock <contact@baldockfaggfamily.org.uk > >wrote: > > > Jim > > It is in the vicinity of Dover Castle, one of several, and has a high > > viewpoint of the town, on a hillside. There used to be a small chapel in > > the centre of the site, but I believe the last time I visited (a while > ago > > now) it has gone. I have several family members buried there. I contacted > > Dover Borough Council in the past to determine grave numbers etc. They > were > > very accommodating. I guess it would depend on how much information you > > were requesting though. > > KFHS have CDs which include Dover St. Mary transcripts, though > burials > > only 1623-1911. > > > > Steve Baldock > > B.Sc.(Hons)(Eng) > > *contact@baldockfaggfamily.org.uk* > > *http://baldockfaggfamily.org.uk* > > Facebook: baldockfaggfamily <http://www.facebook.com/baldockfaggfamily> > > Twitter: @baldockfaggfam <http://twitter.com/baldockfaggfam> > > Norfolk FHS # *12782* > > Kent FHS # *12869* > > GOONS #* 5618* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > --- > Regards > > Frances Lee > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jim Someone found the information that my 3 x great grandfather John Boggs died at Dover Castle on 3rd August 1826. He was in the Royal Artillery. I presume he would have been buried there! Who would I contact at Dover Borough Council? Best wishes Frances On 2 April 2013 09:04, Steve Baldock <contact@baldockfaggfamily.org.uk>wrote: > Jim > It is in the vicinity of Dover Castle, one of several, and has a high > viewpoint of the town, on a hillside. There used to be a small chapel in > the centre of the site, but I believe the last time I visited (a while ago > now) it has gone. I have several family members buried there. I contacted > Dover Borough Council in the past to determine grave numbers etc. They were > very accommodating. I guess it would depend on how much information you > were requesting though. > KFHS have CDs which include Dover St. Mary transcripts, though burials > only 1623-1911. > > Steve Baldock > B.Sc.(Hons)(Eng) > *contact@baldockfaggfamily.org.uk* > *http://baldockfaggfamily.org.uk* > Facebook: baldockfaggfamily <http://www.facebook.com/baldockfaggfamily> > Twitter: @baldockfaggfam <http://twitter.com/baldockfaggfam> > Norfolk FHS # *12782* > Kent FHS # *12869* > GOONS #* 5618* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- --- Regards Frances Lee

Thanks for the responses... The two people concerned are a Richard Fagg and his wife Rhoda Shepherd (Hadley) Fagg. He was buried 12.09.1882 and she, 13.02.1888 in plot 8 grave 85 in Cowgate Cem. Dover. There are also two little ones named George in the grave , burial dates 1841, 1842. I did track them on the census, but that gave no clues as to their parents as far as I could see. Glenda

Hi Linda, Many thanks for your email and web site. Most interesting, Cheers, Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 09:41:04 +0100 From: "Linda Staunton" <stauntonlinda@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] KENT VOLUNTEER RIFLE CORPS To: <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <ECC287240BFB4E84A69C789C241DBD65@lindastauntoPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Peter, If you Google Kent Volunteer Rifle Corps you should find http://www.victorianwars.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5645 with a picture uniform topic. Hope this helps. Kind regards, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ryan" <peter@cussen.org> To: <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:52 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] KENT VOLUNTEER RIFLE CORPS > Hi All, > I was wondering if anyone knows/possesses some nice colour photos of the > uniform (front, sides & cap) of the Kent Volunteer Rifle Corps and a brief > history from c1820s-c1890s? > Many thanks for any assistance, > Best wishes, > Peter > >

HI list, I was lucky and parents names were on the headstone at the halfway cemetery, Sheerness. Regards Ann Spiro Perth, Western Australia research@sbse.net.au NEW site: The Blacksmiths & Related Occupations Website  http://blacksmiths@mygenwebs.com Guild ONS Representative for WA & NT. rep-australia-north-west@one-name.org Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS & NUTTY   http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett

K&GFagg wrote: > Thanks for the responses... > The two people concerned are a Richard Fagg and his wife Rhoda Shepherd > (Hadley) Fagg. > > He was buried 12.09.1882 and she, 13.02.1888 in plot 8 grave 85 in > Cowgate Cem. Dover. > There are also two little ones named George in the grave , burial dates > 1841, 1842. > > I did track them on the census, but that gave no clues as to their > parents as far as I could see. Hallo Richard would have been born about 1799 and Rhoda about 1802, according to FreeBMD. The banns for their marriage were called 22, 29 Oct and 5 Nov 1826 at St Mary's, Walmer, Kent and the certificate for them sent to Deal where the banns were also called on the same dates. The marriage took place at St Leonard's, Deal on 12 Nov 1826 which is before civll registratiion started. That means there would not be any obvious link to their parents. A good possibility for Richard's baptism is this one from FamilySearch Richard FAGG, bapt 7 July 1799, Elham, Kent, s of:William and Ann Another possiblity, also found on FamilySearch, is: Richard FAGG, bapt 12 July 1801, Elham, Kent, s of John and Lidya [sic] You should be able to trace both these Richards to see if either are yours. Elham is about 5 miles from Folkestone which is just along the coast from Dover as are Walmer and Deal. Rhoda is a little easier. She was baptised 4 Sept 1801, St Leonard's, Deal, d of Samuel and Rhoda. This is on FamilySearch too. You should be able to trace her family back from here. SHEPPARD was the mother's maiden name. Rhoda Sheppard had a very much younger sister, Susanna Doorn, bapt 11 May 1817 also in Deal. FindMyPast also has parish registers for Kent, some with images. -- Connie http://oursalmons.wordpress.com/

Cowgate Cemetery was badly neglected and many stones have been lost - a group of volunteers have now cleared the cemetery and recorded those headstones that were still there and legible. The transcriptions are at Dover Library I believe, in the local studies section. The library staff will do a quick look up for you - you can find the contact details on the internet. Kind regards, Dot On 22 July 2013 10:04, K&GFagg <kfagg@bigpond.com> wrote: > Thanks for the responses... > The two people concerned are a Richard Fagg and his wife Rhoda Shepherd > (Hadley) Fagg. > > He was buried 12.09.1882 and she, 13.02.1888 in plot 8 grave 85 in > Cowgate Cem. Dover. > There are also two little ones named George in the grave , burial dates > 1841, 1842. > > I did track them on the census, but that gave no clues as to their > parents as far as I could see. > > Glenda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dot Holden Dover Kent UK There are three things that can never be retrieved, the spoken word, time past and the neglected opportunity

Hi Glenda Photo of grave may be on: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/27441314 To the left of the base of the large tree on the far right is a headstone to Richard Fagg (died 7th September, 1882, aged 83), Rhoda Sheppard (died 7th February 1888, aged 87), and two of their children who died in infancy. Five images of the _Victorian_ (http://www.panoramio.com/user/250345/tags/Victorian) Cowgate Cemetery were uploaded in 2007.

Hello, I have located a grave of an ancestor in Kent, plus the death date in the 1870's. What would be the simplest way of finding the parents' names. The relative Council has no info on the parents. Also wondering if death information for that time period showed parents' names. Glenda

Death information would not normally show parents' names unless it was a child - and even then maybe only one name. You may get more from a census As has been suggested, give the list the names and let us search for you. Anne On 21 Jul 2013, at 09:15, K&GFagg wrote: > Hello, I have located a grave of an ancestor in Kent, plus the death > date in the 1870's. What would be the simplest way of finding the > parents' names. > The relative Council has no info on the parents. Also wondering if > death information for that time period showed parents' names. > Glenda >

Hello Glenda, A good way of finding out would be to tell the Kent List who your ancestors are, some one else on the List may already have your family tree, you could find a few cousins. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon -----Original Message----- From: K&GFagg Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:15 AM To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] burial information Hello, I have located a grave of an ancestor in Kent, plus the death date in the 1870's. What would be the simplest way of finding the parents' names. The relative Council has no info on the parents. Also wondering if death information for that time period showed parents' names. Glenda