On Thu, 28 May 1998 06:07:37 GMT, you wrote: >On Wed, 27 May 1998 04:38:34 GMT, you wrote: > >>Hi: >> >>Wonder if someone out there knows the REAL story about which Patience >>Kemp really married Samuel Saybury (if at all)on 11/09/1660 in >>Weymouth, Mass. <snip> > >Hi: > >I'm the person that asked the question. > >NEHGR, Vol 57, 1903, Pg 416-7, Author - Henry A. Parker: > >"Partridge - Kemp - Thacher - Seabury. Elizabeth, daughter of the Rev. >Ralph Partidge of Duxbury, was married first to William Kemp, who was <snip> Thanks to Dennis Partridge for additional info on this issue in the 1904 NEHGR. I have followed this lady (my ancestor!) to about a dozen web pages out there and none seem to have her lineage recorded, or if so, have it right! If you have a web page, you may want to re-evaluate where you have this lady, if she, or Elizabeth Partridge, or Samuel Seabury, are in your database. I've seen some sources of "Mayflower Gleanings" meaning that may be one place where the myth is being repeated. ________________ NEHGR April 1904, p. 101-107, discusses in depth this family line and the myths. The Laying of Two Genealogical Ghosts The final synopsis is this: "(1) Rev. Thomas Thacher and Elizabeth Partridge, his wife, had no daughter, Patience Thacher. (2) Elizabeth Partridge, dau. of Rev. Ralph Partridge, married 1st William Kemp, by whom she had a daughter, Patience Kemp, b. 11 May 1643. William Kemp d. previos to 23 Sep 1641, and hence subsequent to this date his widow was free to contract a second marriage; which in fact, she did, by marrying on 11 May 1643, Rev. Thomas Thacher, who subsequently, 2 January 1644-5, became the minister at Weymouth, MA, and remained there in that capacity until subsequent to the death, on 2 Jun 1664, of Elizabeth partridge his wife. Rev. Thomas Thacher was born in England 1 May 1620, and in 1643 was presumably about the same age as Elizabeth partridge, who like himself, was born in England (date of birth unknown), and came to this country 17 Nov 1636 with her father. Elizabeth Partridge, soon after her coming to this country, married first William Kemp, who had reached this country, previous to her arrival, 3 Jun 1635, on the ship James. Soon after his marriage William Kemp died, leaving but one child, Patience Kemp, and not leaving a son William Kemp, 2d, who never in reality existed at all. Elizabeth Partridge-Kemp, widow of the only William Kemp, shortly after her first husband's death, married on 11 May 1643, Rev. Thomas Thacher, and her daughter by her first husband, Patience Kemp, became the step-daughter of Rev. Thomas Thacher, and was received into his family, and brought up by him, and married from his home in Weymouth, MA, on 9 (or 16) Dec. 1660, to Samuel Saberry (Seabury), of Duxbury, MA. (3) Samuel Seabury did NOT marry Patience Kemp, dau. of William Kemp, 2d, (who never existed in the flesh), and of Patience Thacher (who also never existed), but married Patience Kemp, dau. of William Kemp, 1st, (the only William Kemp), and Elizabeth partridge, his wife, he being her first husband. (4) William Kemp, 2d, and Patience Thacher are two mythical indivduals, summoned into existence by early genealogists, in order that by their marriage they could give birth to a Patience Kemp, who was subsequently to marry Samuel Seabury. It was known beyond doubt that Samuel Seabury did marry a Patience Kemp, and so these hypothetical parents were manufactured for her." End Quote: Thanks for your support. Norris Taylor -- Silver Bullet <[email protected]> Home Page: http://members.aol.com/ntgen/ ---------------------------------------