Thank you Kathy, You were up late answering my questions. I will try to do more work on this end and perhaps I can verify some of this. I have not visited the church, which is still active and functioning, where John Philip Kaemmerer is buried. Ziegler Luthern 6 miles north of Lancaster, OH I may be able to chk church records there. I have seen his gravestone (we have mounted a brass plaque replicating the wording on a marble base in front of the original stone - the original is very hard to read now. His wife's stone is in good condition)