In a message dated 98-05-03 13:07:39 EDT, you write: > Was Trinity Lutheran Church in Columbia Twp., Lancaster Co.? Hi Kathy and thank you for your reply. This Trinity Lutheran is in Lancaster, Lancaster Co., PA. It is also known as Church of The Holy Trinity, Evangelical Lutheran and is at 51 South Duke Street in Lancaster City. Best regards, Dianna

Gloria~ Where is Fairhope, PA? Is it in Somerset County? Is that in the western part of the state? Kathy

May I suggest you send your browser to the "Making of America" site at: http://www.umdl.umich.edu/moa/ and do a search on KEMMERER! There is an interesting reference to Whitney & KEMMERER, Coal Shippers and Wholesale Dealers (1885) I have no idea who THIS Kemmerer is, but he has connections to PA. Their coal came from the Buck Mountain Vein in the Lackawanna District. Their shipping office was located at Mauch Chunk, at the head of the Lehigh Canal. Shipping radiated from Philadelphia. They also offered coke from Connellsville, manufactured from Basin Coal. I hope one (some) of you recognize part of this. It's too good to go to waste! Carl Sachs (Kemerer by marriage) Manheim PA

Carl & group~ Mahlon KEMMERER was from Mauch Chunk, PA then went to Wyoming. Kemmerer, Wyoming was named for him. Kathy In a message dated 98-05-03 16:34:21 EDT, you write: > You mention Wyoming . . . was Mahlon from PA and active in WY, or > was he from WY and active in PA?? > > Carl Sachs

Kathy, Diana, et. al., THE NEW CASSELL'S GERMAN DICTIONARY gives the definition of the German noun "Kammerer" as "president of the exchequer (see also Kämmerer)." If someone were going to abbreviate this for convenience, it would probably come out "KAMM" if the person were German; but would possibly come out abbreviated as "KAME" if Anglicizing as well as abbreviating. It is important to remember that for decades after the American Revolution English law prevailed in many everyday practices. English law applied to changing names into the 19th Century. It was very lenient, allowing that changes became effective by "useage and custom." My ancestor, who bought a farm in 1802 in Mifflin County for 600 pounds Sterling, also changed his surname from "ZULAUF" to "SULOUFF" in the first decade of the 19th Century. Our frustrations over our ancestors changing their names comes from our rigid way of thinking about names, and such frustrations should not be blamed on our ancestors' lack of discipline. They were following the rules. It's just a fact that the rules were different back then. I do not know when the courts began trying to impose order on the rather common practice of people changing their surnames -- or having them changed involuntarily by public servants and ministers. I would like to learn more about the history of laws in Pennsylvania regulating name changes if anyone reading this knows the answer. Nelson //////////////////////////////////////////////// Kathy32656 wrote: > > Dear Dianna~ > > Boy, that Elizabeth REINHART really looks familiar to me. > I'll do some digging to see if I can find out anything for you. > It was not uncommon to find many different spelling variations of our name. > Some of our ancestors couldn't write. > So they might have been at the mercy of census takers who didn't really > care or were spelling phonetically due to strong heavy German accents. > After that, some might have just kept the spelling because they thought > that was correct. I have also seen first names abbreviated quite often. > > Was Trinity Lutheran Church in Columbia Twp., Lancaster Co.? > > Kathy > > In a message dated 98-05-03 11:29:49 EDT, you write: > > > I have been researching my KAME line for many years and > > have lots of descendents of my "last" ancestor, John KAME > > aka Johannes KAHM. He married Elizabeth REINHART at > > Trinity Lutheran Church in 1806. The first record I can find > > mentioning this name is John KAM on the 1779 Supply Tax > > List of Lancaster Boro (too old to be my Johannes/John?) > > My John KAME lived in Columbia, Lancaster County and his > > 4 children were all born there. They are: > > Jacob KAME b:1809 m: Sarah MILLER > > John KAME b: 1811 married 1) Mary HIPPEY > > 2) Mary HOGENTOGLER (HOUGENDOUBLER) > > Elizabeth KAME b: 1814 m: Philip HUFFMAN > > Catherine KAME b: 1817 m: John M. FISHER > > A very gracious lady (Thank you, Audrey!) went to Silver Springs > > Cemetery to take pictures of all KAME tombstones for me. > > She reports finding a stone for Abraham S. KAMM in the midst of > > the KAME stones. Family legend says that Sarah MILLER KAME > > was told she should "change her name back to the original family > > name" but she would not as "grandfather was dead, she married him > > by that name (KAME) and he had never used the original name." > > A woman of principles, darn her. Anyone have any ideas??

I found this information in the ancestral files at the Family History Center The researcher got this info from the St. David Church in Killinger, Dauphin County, PA. Killinger, I have been told is near Upper Paxton Township. (1)Dietrich KEMMERER born abt 1771 sp-Barbara WIELAND born abt 1775 (2)Elisabeth KEMMERER born 4/16/1797 sp-Jacob SCHUPP born abt 1811 in PA (3)Isaac SCHUPP born 1/12/1820 sp-Elisabeth BUFFINGTON born 8/23/1824; buried Oak Hill Cem., Millersburg, PA (4)Sarah SHOOP born 1847,buried at Oak Hill Cem.,Millersburg, PA (4)John H. SHOOP born 3/27/1848, buried at Oak Hill Cem.,Millersburg, PA (4)Nathaniel P. SHOOP born 1853, buried at Oak Hill Cem.,Millersburg, PA (3)Jonas SCHUPP born 6/3/1822 (3)Simon SCHUPP born 9/23/1824 sp-Catharina SAUSSER born abt 1828 (4)Alice SCHUPP born abt 1850 (4)Frank A. SCHUPP born abt 1852 (4)Clinton SCHUPP born abt 1854 (4)Annie L. SCHUPP born abt 1856 (3)Abraham SCHUPP born 12/19/1826 (3)Lea SCHUPP born 7/14/1829 (3)Salome SCHUPP born 3/26/1831 (3)Elisa SCHUPP born 4/27/1833 (3)Catharina SCHUPP born abt 1834 (3)Lydia SCHUPP born abt 1835 This is the same Dietrich KEMMERER born 9/10/1768-Lancaster Co. that is the son of Christian KEMMERER born 9/9/1734 and the father of Samuel KEMMERER born 1811-Dauphin Co.

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In Snyder County Pioneers by Dr. Fisher, there is a reference to a Peter KEMERER who was assessed for taxes in Warwick Twp., Lancaster Co., PA between 1772-1782. He moved to Penn Twp, Snyder County in 1785. He was probably a relative of John KELLEY, a carpenter in Penn Twp in 1799, possibly earlier living in Northampton Co. There was a Peter KREMER who lived in Conestoga Twp., Lancaster Co. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From the KEMMERER book..... Soloman KEMMERER of Northampton Co born 8/5/1806 died 5/20/1897 married Polly Andres born 1/2/1809 died 1/24/1884 Issue 12 children: 1 dying infancy Joseph, Moses, Stephen, William, Lois (or Louis ..can't read my own handwriting, sorry) Tilghman, Charles, Reuben, Priscilla, Sarah, Matilda Soloman was son of Philip KEMMERER who was son of pioneer Johannes Nicholas & his 2nd wife Juliana KEMMERER b. 3/3/1777. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Part V page 118 Berks Co Ludwig KEMMERER born 4/16/1765 died 3/16/1812 wife Anna Maria ADAM possible children: Sophia 4/12/1793 Peter 2/23/1794 Maria 1/17/1797 Samuel 8/3/1799 Soloman 10/19/1805 William 12/12/1813 John Henry Catharine Mollie John mentioned above was married to Rebecca REEDY of Tulpenhocken Twp died 1882 9 children 4 died infancy Elias, Daniel, Elvina, Maria, Caroline

Hello Jayne, I intended to reply to both your personal address and to the List. I was surprised to see my reply went only to the list. I want to be sure I don't miss making contact with you, so I am forwarding my earlier message to your personal E-mail address. Kindly regards, Rev. Nelson R. Sulouff mailto:zuli@sprintmail.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/8094/ ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/northumberland/xmisc/nels0001.txt ***************************************************** Computers recycle used electrons that never wear out! *****************************************************

Jayne W. Dye M. D. wrote: > (Clip) > > I am the Jayne Hardy Wunsch married to generation 7 John Theodore Dye - down > near the end of the list. > > Descendants of Peter Kaemmerer > > 1 Peter Kaemmerer src: Aunt Georgiana notebook Allied Cole K-Z b: Abt. > 1734 in Switzerland or Germany d: Bef. June 04, 1784 in Lancaster Co., PA > .. +-Juliana ? m: Abt. 1755 d: Bef. August 28, 1815 in Lancaster Co., > PA .................................................. (Large clip) ................................................... > ... 2 Elizabeth Kaemmerer b: August 04, 1774 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Hello Jayne, I am a descendant of Elizabeth Kammerer. I have this verified by information in an old German Ahnentafel composed for my 3rd great-grandmother, Nancy Bender. Here are the details as I have them: Elizabeth Kammerer, b. abt 1770 to parents Peter Kammerer b. abt 1740 and wife Katherine (nee unknown). Peter is believed to have travelled to America in 1751 with brothers Christian and Dietrich aboard DUKE OF WURTTEMBURG. Elizabeth Kammerer m. in Lancaster to John Bender b. abt 1765 Lancaster Co. John Bender moved his family from Lancaster Co. to (now) Juniata Co. about 1800. A daughter of Elizabeth & John Bender, Nancy Bender b. 2/18/1795 in Manheim Twp., Lancaster Co., m. John Sulouff b. 1/4/1792 in Newberry Twp., York Co. They were married in (now) Juniata Co. and lived in Turbett Twp. They are my 3rd great grandparents. It appears from the portions of your message I copied above that perhaps my Elizabeth Kammerer is the same person as your "Elizabeth Kaemmerer b: August 04, 1774," daughter of Peter Kaemmerer. My estimate of Elizabeth Kammerer's birth year as 1770 was made entirely from the date of her daughter Nancy's birth in 1795. My question is, do you think it possible that your Peter Kaemmerer married twice, once to Juliana and once to Katherine; or alternatively that the names Katherine and Juliana are the first and second names of Peter Kaemmerer's only wife? Can you turn up any other evidence to confirm or deny either possibility? Also, please advise the nature of your evidence for the six children you name for Peter & Juliana Kaemmerer, of which Elizabeth is last? If it is from church records would you kindly tell me what church and where found? I have another unrelated question. I see you have "Hardy" in your name. I have a Thomas Hardy married to Mary Jane Sulouff b. 1836 in Juniata Co. PA. I estimate Thomas would have been born between 1830 and 1840. Thomas moved his family to Monticello (White Co.) Indiana, where Mary Jane died 12/28/1878. I am searching for any information on the parents or children of this Thomas Hardy. Do you have any suggestions that might help me? I have a lot of information on Mary Jane Sulouff's ancestry and will be thrilled to exchange information if I ever find someone who knows something about Thomas Hardy's family. Nelson R. Sulouff zuli@sprintmail.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/8094/ ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/northumberland/xmisc/nels0001.txt

Thought I'd pass this along to those of you that have never visited the Gen Web pages for PA. Click on the blue line below & you'll go directly there. You can then choose the county you wish. <A HREF="http://www.libertynet.org/~gencap/pacounties.html"> Pennsylvania Genealogy</A> Happy Hunting! Kathy

Dear Dianna~ Boy, that Elizabeth REINHART really looks familiar to me. I'll do some digging to see if I can find out anything for you. It was not uncommon to find many different spelling variations of our name. Some of our ancestors couldn't write. So they might have been at the mercy of census takers who didn't really care or were spelling phonetically due to strong heavy German accents. After that, some might have just kept the spelling because they thought that was correct. I have also seen first names abbreviated quite often. Was Trinity Lutheran Church in Columbia Twp., Lancaster Co.? Kathy In a message dated 98-05-03 11:29:49 EDT, you write: > I have been researching my KAME line for many years and > have lots of descendents of my "last" ancestor, John KAME > aka Johannes KAHM. He married Elizabeth REINHART at > Trinity Lutheran Church in 1806. The first record I can find > mentioning this name is John KAM on the 1779 Supply Tax > List of Lancaster Boro (too old to be my Johannes/John?) > My John KAME lived in Columbia, Lancaster County and his > 4 children were all born there. They are: > Jacob KAME b:1809 m: Sarah MILLER > John KAME b: 1811 married 1) Mary HIPPEY > 2) Mary HOGENTOGLER (HOUGENDOUBLER) > Elizabeth KAME b: 1814 m: Philip HUFFMAN > Catherine KAME b: 1817 m: John M. FISHER > A very gracious lady (Thank you, Audrey!) went to Silver Springs > Cemetery to take pictures of all KAME tombstones for me. > She reports finding a stone for Abraham S. KAMM in the midst of > the KAME stones. Family legend says that Sarah MILLER KAME > was told she should "change her name back to the original family > name" but she would not as "grandfather was dead, she married him > by that name (KAME) and he had never used the original name." > A woman of principles, darn her. Anyone have any ideas?? >

Thanks Claudia~ I'm sure going to be anxious to see the notes on your family that your grandmother gave you. You are so lucky. I'm sure you'll find some VERY interested folk here. Kathy

Dear Friends, I have been researching my KAME line for many years and have lots of descendents of my "last" ancestor, John KAME aka Johannes KAHM. He married Elizabeth REINHART at Trinity Lutheran Church in 1806. The first record I can find mentioning this name is John KAM on the 1779 Supply Tax List of Lancaster Boro (too old to be my Johannes/John?) My John KAME lived in Columbia, Lancaster County and his 4 children were all born there. They are: Jacob KAME b:1809 m: Sarah MILLER John KAME b: 1811 married 1) Mary HIPPEY 2) Mary HOGENTOGLER (HOUGENDOUBLER) Elizabeth KAME b: 1814 m: Philip HUFFMAN Catherine KAME b: 1817 m: John M. FISHER A very gracious lady (Thank you, Audrey!) went to Silver Springs Cemetery to take pictures of all KAME tombstones for me. She reports finding a stone for Abraham S. KAMM in the midst of the KAME stones. Family legend says that Sarah MILLER KAME was told she should "change her name back to the original family name" but she would not as "grandfather was dead, she married him by that name (KAME) and he had never used the original name." A woman of principles, darn her. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks for taking the time to read this! Dianna German Anderson

Kathy; I spent 4 days with my grandmother, and taped all the sessions and conversations. We have, over the course of several years, gone through boxes of ancient photographs and identified most of what she had. I just haven't transcribed the tapes to written text yet. Grandmother recently fell and broke her hip, and is in rehabilitation at the present time. In the last few years she has had both knees replaced, now total hip. She is not in the best of condition at the moment, but I am continuing to move forward as time allows. She has 2 books on "Kemmerer," I guess I need to pull them out and get serious about this project! <smile> Your rootsweb mail project is certainly motivation to do so! Anyway, grandmother has given me everything from her wedding book, to high school diaries that include how/when she first met grandfather Charles R. Kemmerer. I will post information as I weed through it. Thanks for all your dedication and hard work! Claudia

I thought I had more information somewhere. Have located the following. Would appreciate any assistance and confirmation of this data. Dates and locations not included - because I don't have them. Sorry if this is too much to put up on one message. Perhaps some of this will help someone else in return. I am the Jayne Hardy Wunsch married to generation 7 John Theodore Dye - down near the end of the list. Descendants of Peter Kaemmerer 1 Peter Kaemmerer src: Aunt Georgiana notebook Allied Cole K-Z b: Abt. 1734 in Switzerland or Germany d: Bef. June 04, 1784 in Lancaster Co., PA .. +-Juliana ? m: Abt. 1755 d: Bef. August 28, 1815 in Lancaster Co., PA ... 2 John Philip Kaemmerer b: 1756 in Lancaster Co., PA d: April 13, 1827 in Fairfield Co. OH ....... +-Rosina Heilen b: January 09, 1761 in Lancaster Co., PA m: April 02, 1786 in Lancaster, PA d: October 04, 1818 in Lancaster, Fairfield Co., OH ........ 3 Samuel Kaemmerer b: October 23, 1794 in Lancaster Co., PA d: May 14, 1865 in Zanesville, Muskingum Co., OH ............ +-Catharine Border b: October 20, 1800 in Bedford Co., PA m: April 25, 1822 in Muskingum Co, OH d: October 17, 1869 in Zanesville, Muskingum Co., OH Father: Nicolas BORDER Mother: Elizabeth Kepler ............. 4 Susan Mary Kaemmerer b: April 11, 1828 in Zanesville, Muskingum County, Ohio d: September 27, 1872 in Hillsdale, Michigan ................. +-William Daughtery b: Abt. 1828 ............. +ACo-2nd Husband of Susan Mary Kaemmerer: ................. +-Almon Richards Cole b: August 17, 1821 in Winchester, New Hampshire m: August 31, 1850 in Adamsville, Muskingum Ckounty, Ohio d: December 29, 1869 in St. Joseph, Michigan Father: Ezra COLE Mother: Julia Allen .................. 5 Florence Julia Cole b: October 30, 1856 in Zanesville, Muskingum County, Ohio d: June 03, 1936 in Dayton, Ohio ...................... +-Frederic Wood Dye b: February 20, 1856 in McConnelsville, Ohio m: July 09, 1878 in Zanesville, Muskingum County, Ohio d: July 08, 1920 in Dayton, Montgomery Co., Ohio Father: William Vincent DYE Mother: Georgiana Rebecca Wood ....................... 6 Georgiana Marie Dye b: March 14, 1882 in Zanesville, Muskingum County, Ohio d: 1962 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ........................... +-George Eggleston Malone b: May 04, 1882 in McArthur Junction, Vinton County, Ohio m: September 12, 1905 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio d: April 19, 1939 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio Father: James Rively MALONE Mother: Lydia Ella Randall ....................... 6 Charles Frederic Dye b: January 06, 1891 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio d: February 18, 1960 in Fort Lauderdale, Broward County, Florida ........................... +-Ruth Amy Ferree b: April 15, 1891 in Providence, Rhode Island m: May 30, 1917 in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio d: October 10, 1963 in Tawas City, Iosco Co., Michigan Father: John FERREE Mother: Laura Clark ............................ 7 Helen Marjorie Dye b: July 08, 1919 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio d: July 08, 1919 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ............................ 7 Charles Frederic Dye, Jr b: July 03, 1920 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ................................ +-Helen Freemire b: March 02, 1925 in Wayne County, Michigan m: July 19, 1947 in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan d: February 19, 1990 ................................. 8 William Charles Dye b: July 30, 1948 in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan ? d: July 31, 1969 in Birmingham, Oakland County, Michigan ................................. 8 David Frederic Dye b: September 03, 1950 ..................................... +-Valerie Kay Davis b: November 13, 1955 m: November 20, 1976 in Indianapolis, Indianna ...................................... 9 Laura Allilson Dye b: February 04, 1979 in Grand Rapids, Michigan ...................................... 9 Scott Frederic Dye b: March 24, 1981 in Grand Rapids, Michigan ...................................... 9 Christopher Allen Dye b: October 15, 1985 in Grand Rapids, Michigan ................................. 8 Martha Eleanor Dye b: February 23, 1964 ..................................... +-Richard William Whealan m: August 17, 1991 in Richmond, Virginia ................................. 8 Ruth Helen Dye b: December 17, 1954 in Birmingham,Oakland County, Michigan ..................................... +-David C. Bales ............................ +ACo-2nd Wife of Charles Frederic Dye, Jr: ................................ +-Diana Louise Kammins b: March 25, 1930 m: February 01, 1974 in Pontiac, Michigan d: Abt. 1993 ............................ 7 Dorothy Ann Dye b: October 09, 1923 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ................................ +-Howard Burns d: June 1988 ............................ +ACo-2nd Husband of Dorothy Ann Dye: ................................ +-Edmund Dorr Griffin, Jr b: October 09, 1920 m: April 15, 1946 in Fort Lauderdale, Broward Co., Florida d: January 01, 1991 ................................. 8 Edmund Dorr Griffin III b: July 04, 1950 in Omaha, Nebraska (Offutt Air Base) ................................. 8 Leslie Ann Griffin b: July 31, 1954 in Omaha, Nebraska (Offutt Air Base) ............................ 7 John Theodore Dye b: August 13, 1927 in Dayton, Montgomery Co., OH ................................ +-Jayne Hardy Wunsch b: August 07, 1933 in La Junta, Otero Co., CO m: July 04, 1960 in Fort Lauderdale, Broward Co., FL Father: Aleck Harold WUNSCH Mother: Kathryn Mae Hardy ................................. 8 Charles Frederic Dye b: August 02, 1963 in Washington DC ..................................... +-Sisko Vainikainen b: September 17, 1961 in Kharmalatti, Finland m: July 05, 1990 in Miami, Dade Co., FL Father: Veli VAINIKAINEN Mother: Leesa ................................. 8 Gordon Cole Dye b: November 24, 1964 in Fort Lauderdale, Broward Co., Florida d: May 28, 1979 in Oscoda, Iosco Co., Michigan ................................. 8 Carole Brandon Dye b: January 06, 1966 in Fort Lauderdale, Broward Co., Florida ..................................... +-Hernan Canto b: February 05, 1957 in Merida, Mexico src: JWDye personal knowledge m: December 27, 1985 in Merida, Yucatan, Mexico Father: Hernan Canto RIOS Mother: Elsa Maria ? ...................................... 9 Hernan Alejandro Canto Dye b: December 12, 1987 in Merida, Yucatan, Mexico ...................................... 9 Sonia Stefanie Canto Dye b: June 25, 1989 in Merida, Yucatan, Mexico ................................. 8 Philip Hardy Dye b: January 21, 1967 in Fort Lauderdale, Broward Co., Florida ................................. 8 Catherine Ferree Dye b: January 21, 1967 in Fort Lauderdale, Broward Co., FL ..................................... +-Kelly Marie Kollar b: October 04, 1963 in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan m: July 05, 1990 in White Lake, Michigan Father: Robert James KOLLAR Mother: Patricia Jean Smith ....................... 6 Theodore Cole Dye b: June 20, 1887 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio d: February 23, 1965 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ........................... +-Jewell Marjorie Palmer m: April 24, 1917 d: November 03, 1924 in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio src: GDM ....................... +ACo-2nd Wife of Theodore Cole Dye: ........................... +-Eleanor Schoer Brueshaber b: August 26, 1899 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio m: May 01, 1926 d: Abt. 1980 in Boca Raton, Florida Father: Herman Calr BRUESHABER Mother: Anna Margaret Schoer ............................ 7 Theodore Cole Dye II b: November 07, 1931 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ................................ +-Phyllis Martin b: February 13, 1942 in Utica, Michigan m: July 08, 1967 in Utica, Michigan ................................. 8 Robert Charles Dye b: April 01, 1975 in Madison Heights, Michigan ............................ 7 Julianne Dye b: June 21, 1929 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ................................ +-John Peter Trenholm b: March 15, 1929 in Lexington, Massachusetts m: July 01, 1955 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ................................. 8 Sheila Davis Trenholm b: October 28, 1964 ..................................... +-Timothy John Schaffer m: July 01, 1989 in Kennilworth, Illinois ................................. 8 Shaun Peter Trenholm b: April 05, 1959 ................................. 8 Derek Cole Trenholm b: April 21, 1960 in Boston, Massachusetts ............................ 7 Phyllis Marjorie Dye b: September 11, 1927 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ................................ +-Edward Thomas Turner, Jr b: May 06, 1925 m: September 01, 1951 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ................................. 8 Marjorie Hyatt Turner b: August 16, 1959 in Cincinnati, Ohio d: June 01, 1985 in Terra Haute, Indianna ..................................... +-Robert Paul McCornack b: November 16, 1957 ................................. 8 Julianne Dye Turner b: August 10, 1954 in Dayton, Montgomery Co, Ohio ..................................... +-James Newton Stuart b: January 26, 1959 in Hope, Arkansas m: August 20, 1988 in Terra Haute, Indianna ................................. 8 Edward Thomas Turner III b: January 01, 1957 ..................................... +-Jeanette Joy Couchman b: August 09, 1957 in Terra Haute, Indianna m: August 20, 1959 in Terra Haute, Indianna ...................................... 9 Sara Grace Turner b: July 15, 1981 in Tulsa, Oklahoma ...................................... 9 Rachel Joy Turner b: August 26, 1984 in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma ...................................... 9 Elizabeth Faith Turner b: June 25, 1989 in tulsa, Oklahoma ................................. 8 Chris Elizabeth Turner b: January 30, 1953 in Appleton, Wisconsin ..................................... +-Willliam Chesley Colona b: June 06, 1941 in Washington, District of Columbia ...................................... 9 Brian Edward Turner b: October 10, 1984 ............................ 7 Eleanor Wood Dye b: December 28, 1937 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ................................ +-Robert Wentworth Morgan b: November 03, 1933 in Michigan m: October 14, 1961 in Dayton, Ohio Father: Sidney Howes MORGAN ................................. 8 Robert Howes Morgan b: November 25, 1967 ................................. 8 DouglasDye Morgan b: November 25, 1967 ................................. 8 Blythe Wood Morgan b: August 06, 1965 ..................................... +-Jeffry Eugene Thompson m: July 05, 1986 in Kennilworth, Illinois ...................................... 9 Kelsey Wood Thompson b: October 19, 1989 in Berlin, German Democratic Republic ....................... 6 Marjorie Dye b: November 06, 1897 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio d: September 19, 1898 in Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio ............. 4 Charlotte Virginia Kaemmerer b: December 26, 1843 d: July 07, 1866 in Zanesville, Ohio ........ 3 Jacob Kaemmerer ............ +-Mary Loubert ........ 3 John Kaemmerer ............ +-Sarah Randabaugh ........ 3 Eva Kaemmerer ............ +-John Randabaugh ........ 3 Joseph Kaemmerer ............ +-Salome Bowser ........ 3 Susan Kaemmerer ............ +-Benjamin Reber ... 2 Peter Kaemmerer b: Abt. 1757 ... 2 Christian Kaemmerer ... 2 Catherine Kaemmerer b: March 18, 1769 ... 2 John Kaemmerer b: July 09, 1771 ... 2 Elizabeth Kaemmerer b: August 04, 1774

Susan Mary Kaemmerer, born April 11, 1828. Almon Richards Cole, born Aug 17, 1821 married on August 31, 1854 daughter: Susan Mary Cole born abt 1857/58 son Charles Almon Cole born abt 1859/61 Susan Mary Kaemmerer was descended from a John Philip Kaemmerer - Revolutionary War Soldier. Can anyone supply more information. A link. Ancestors for Susan? Thank you. Jayne

On Saturday, May 02, 1998 7:01 PM Ann in Oklahoma wrote: >Was in the Dallas Public Library and copied from a book "Pennsylvania >In 1780" >This list : >Kammerer, Henry City of Philadelphia - North Ward >Kammerer, -------- City of Philadelphia - Middle Ward >Kammerer, John Northampton, Bethlehem > >Kemmerer, -------- Northampton, Upper Millford >Kemmerer, George Northampton, Upper Millford >Kemmerer, Henry Northampton, Salisburry b. 1 Apr 1740 dau Catherine Kemmerer b. 16 Oct 1771 m. Hartmann Reinhard circa 1790 >Kemmerer, Jacob Northampton, Heidelberg >Kemmerer, John Northampton, Salisburry >Kemmerer, Nicholos Northampton, Forks > >Kemerer, Christian Lancaster, Warwick Twp. Have some additional info Kemmerer that Northampton group. Will dig it out if anyone is interested. Gerald Key gikey@cyberstation.net

Jayne~ Your Peter might be the immigrant who came on the ship Duke of Wirttemberg Qualified 16 October 1751. Sailed from Rotterdam, Germany. Capt. name was Montpelier. Peter sailed along with Dietrich KAMMERER & Christian KAMMERER. I believe they were all brothers. No ages were given. Christian was my ancestor. Gets confusing working on this line because Christian (b. 1734) had sons named Christian (b. 1770) & Dietrich (1768); Dietrich had a son named Christian (1818). All lived in Campbelltown in Lebanon Twp., Lancaster Co., PA They also lived in Warwick Twp., Lancaster Co, PA My family then moved on to Killinger, Upper Paxton Twp., Dauphin Co, PA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If this Peter is yours, then his parents were possibly Georg Adam KEMMERER (senior) born 11/5/1713 (died 2/18/1752) in Graben, Karlsruhue, Baden, Germany & Eva Margaretha SCHMIDT born 10/16/1720 (died 1/1/1770) same location. Georg & Eva Margaretha's children were: Christian 9/9/1734 (my ancestor) Johann Christoph 11/14/1739 d. 10/8/1758 Johann Georg 5/26/1741 wife Catharina Barbara SUESS Eva Elisabetha 2/19/1744 husband Johann andreas SUESS Valentin 10/30/1746 George Adam (junior) 6/13/1748 Friederich 4/26/1751 Peter Dietrich All members of this family (above & below) were born in Graben. Georg's parents were Hans Wendel KEMMERER born /31/1682 died 7/6/1735 & Magdalena WEIDMAN born 2/26/1691 Another child of Hans Wendel: Maria Elisabetha 1/1/1710 Hans Wendel's parents were: Johann Christoph KEMMERER born 1652 died 6/23/1724 & Margaretha Barbara WENZ, daughter of Hans Jakob WENZ & Maria PFEIL born 6/20/1656 died 11/24/1691 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Whew! That's it for me for tonight. Hopefully, this is your family. Kathy