OK......I will take the bait. Could you please expound on 'orange' Irish? Where did the moniker come from? History of it? And, so on.... Mike -----Original Message----- From: Peggy Holt <plholt@onramp.net> To: KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com <KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 8:46 PM Subject: Re: KELLEY vs KELLY >Just a thought, but when I once spoke to my father, years ago, I was curious to know if we were "orange" Irish since we weren't >Catholic. The most I could get out of him was a "yes". OK, I'll attempt this one. I believe once again that you have to look to Irish history for the answer to this. I believe that the "orange" which usually denotes Irish Protestants comes from the fact that one of the British monarchs at one point was William of Orange. I found the following chronology at this page: http://www.trailerpark.com/phase2/bladocel/90chron.html. Please realize that I haven't verified the chronology but am using it for the sake of this explanation. I do believe that the chronology follows with history. Note: Dates of days and months are given according to the calendar used in the British Isles before 1752 which was ten days behind the present reckoning in the years preceding 1700 and eleven days behind in the years 1700-1752 14 May 1660 Charles II proclaimed king in Dublin 31 July 1662 Act of Settlement establishes the ownership of disputed Irish land in favor of existing Cromwellian proprietors. 21 August 1663 Court of claims, appoints under the Act of Settlement closes after issuing 566 decrees of innocence ot Catholics, but leaving thousands of claims unheard. 1665 - Act of Explanation modifies the Act of Settlement by requiring most of the Cromwellians to give up one-third of their holdings to provide land for restored Catholics. 1672- Louis XIV of France invades the Dutch Republic (United Provinces) William of Orange is appointed captain-general of the Dutch Republic and stadtholder in Holland and Zeeland 1677- William of Orange marries Princess Mary, elder daughter of the duke of York (later JamesII). 1678- Peace of Nijmegen ends the Dutch war with France to the advantage of the Dutch. Titus Oates uncovers the so-called Popish Plot in England 15 May 1679- Exclusion Bill is introduced in English House of commons to bar the duke of York from the throne . 1680- Louis begins extending France's north-eastern frontier towards the Rhine. 1682- War (not concluded till 1699) breaks out between the Ottoman Turkish Empire and the Austrian Habsburgs. 1683 - Vienna is besieged by the Turks 6 February 1685- James II becomes king of England, Scotland and Ireland on the death of Charles II 20 June 1685- Richard Talbot, Irish Catholic champion, is created earl of Tryconnell. July 1685- The rebellions of Monmouth and Argyll against James are crushed. January 1686-Second Earl of Carendon is sworn in as lord Lieutenant of Ireland. 5 June 1686 Tryconnell is appointed to command the Irish Army July 1686 The league of Augusburg (Hapsburgs,Sweden and various German states) is formed to resist Louis. 12 February 1687- Tryconnel is sworn in as lord deputy of Ireland. 10 June 1688 The seven bishops arrested by James for refusing to promulgate his Declaration of Indulgence, are acquitted in London. Leading Whigs and Tories invite W illiam of Orange to invade England. September 1688- Following the refusal of Pope Innocent XI to appoint the French candidate archbishop of Cologne, Louis invades the Rhineland, thus clearing the way for William's invasion of England. 5 November 1688 William lands in Devon 16 November. 1688- Louis declares war on the Dutch Republic. 7 December 1688 The gates of Derry are shut against the earl of Antrim's regiment 23 December 1688 James escapes to France at the second attempt 8 January Richard Hamilton, sent by William to negotiate Triconnel's submission, arrives in Dublin and Joins Tryconnell 13 February 1689 William and Mary accept the bill of Rights and are declared joint sovereigns of England, Scotland and Ireland. 12 March 1689 James lands at Kinsale, Co. Cork 14 March 1689- The Ulster Protestants are routed at the break of D romore, Co. Down 21 March 1689- James Hamilton arrives at Derry with money and supplies. William appoints Lundy commander of the city . 18 April 1689- James is refused entry to Derry; the siege begins 1 May 1689 - Inconclusive battle in Bantry Bay between English and French f leets. 7 May-18 July 1689 - James Irish Parliament. 7 May 1689- England declares war on France 18 June 1689- James issues a proclamation providing for the circulation of brass money 22 June 1689- Irish parliament repeals the Restoration land settlement. 27 July 1689- The Jacobite leader in Scotland Viscount Mountcashel is defeated by the Enniskilleners at Newtownbutleer, Co.Fermangh. 13 August 1689- Williamite army under Schomberg lands near Bangor, Co. Down. 12 March 1690- French regiments under the comte de Lauzun land at Cork 13 March 1690-Danish army under the duke of Wurtemberg hired by William arrives in Belfast Lough 18 April 1690 -Irish Regiments under Justin MacCarthy leave Cork for France. 14 May 1690 -Charlemont, Co. Armagh, surrenders to Schomberg 14 June 1690 - William lands near Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim 30 June 1690- French fleet defeats the English and Dutch off Beachy Head. 1 July 1690 -William's Army defeats Jame's at the River Boyne 4 July 1690 -James sails from Kinsale for France 6 July 1690- William Enters Dublin 5 September 1690 -William Returns to England 3 October 1691- Treaty of Limerick is signed ending the war in Ireland 22 December 1691- Sarsfield sails to france with 12,000 Jacobite soldiers. Do a search on AltaVista on "William of Orange" and you'll come up with over 1000 hits. Here's another interesting page to check out: http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/talks/king_billy.html Hope this helps. Liz Kelley Kerstens, CGRS Ancestor Detective http://www.ancestordetective.com