WOW!! Now that shows you my ignorance, not onlyof the Irish but, of my own surname. I had never heard of such a thing before. I wonder what other sorts of things, Orders, etc. are out there I don't know about. Guess this is another thing to add to my list of research things to do. Thanks for the reply.....Mike -----Original Message----- From: TERRY BUTLER <choppy48@gte.net> To: firewalker <firewalker@gibralter.net>; KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com <KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 9:28 AM Subject: Re: KELLEY vs KELLY >Mike, >If I am not mistaken and remember my fathers teachings the Orange Order are >men who remain loyal to the reigning monarch. My brothers and sister and I >put on Orange one St. Patricks Day and sent him into quite a tither. >Reading other people posts has triggered some other memories also. I >remember my Grandfather saying that our name was Kelly because he was an old >shanty Irishman and not an aristocrat while his father spelled his name >Kelley. I also remember reading somewhere that the Kelly/Kelleys changed >thier names because of religious persecution. Apparently they were not >allowed to leave Ireland if it was spelled one way and not the other. If >memory serves they removed the second e. Then put it back when they arrived >here and were safe. I am, however, subject to senior moments so could be >wrong. > >Maureen > > >>OK......I will take the bait. Could you please expound on 'orange' Irish? >>Where did the moniker come from? History of it? And, so on.... >> >>Mike >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Peggy Holt <plholt@onramp.net> >>To: KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com <KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 8:46 PM >>Subject: Re: KELLEY vs KELLY >> >> >>>Just a thought, but when I once spoke to my father, years ago, I was >>curious to know if we were "orange" Irish since we weren't >>>Catholic. The most I could get out of him was a "yes". >>> >>>-- >>>Peggy (Kelley) Holt >>>Digging up Dead Relatives: Alexander, Carsten, Castleberry, Finnberg, >>Frerichs, Goerling, Broadaway, Ingram, Kelley, Magrill, >>>McFarland, Shackelford, Tubbs, Wilken >>> >>> >>> >>>==== KELLEY Mailing List ==== >>>If you have problems or questions about the KELLEY list, please contact me >>separately by email, ... Paula Kelley Ward (listowner) at: >>pward@express-news.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>______________________________ > >