Hi, My name is Jim Moses and I just subscribed to the Kelley group. I have been asked to introduce myself, so here goes--I have been working on my family history for about seven or eight years and I have traced several lines back to "the old country". Every person I have traced back came from Ireland, England, Scotland or Wales. I still have a lot of loose ends, including some of my Kelley members. I have traced them enough to earn a "First Families of Ionia County" (Michigan) certificate, which is earned by proving that one's ancestor(s) lived in Ionia County before the end of 1880. I live in Ionia County myself. My direct ancestry, on the Kelley side, is this: 1. James R. Moses (myself) born 16 JUL 1949, married Maria Mirla Sta. Ana Gamboa 2. Patricia Ann Quigley born 30 SEP 1930, married James Luther Moses born 17 OCT 1926, died 13 FEB 1998 3. Ellen Margaret Kelley born 08 DEC 1890, died 17 MAR 1968, married Russell Alger Joseph Quigley born 23 DEC 1899, died 24 OCT 1981 4. Charles Alfred Kelley born abt. OCT 1847-1849, died 27 SEP 1920, married Mary Ellen Hallahan born 09 APR or MAY 1854 or 1856, died 26 SEP 1925 5. Michael Kelley born 1800-1808 in Ireland, married Catharine _____ born 1805-1810 in Ireland As far as I know all of the above people were born in the U.S. except Michael and Catharine. I have many other Kelley family members (other brothers and sisters of the above people) which I will share later but this will at least let you know how far I go back with my Kelley family. I am trying to get firm dates for Michael and Catharine, as well as some of their children, and I would really like to find out where they came from in Ireland, and when they came here. Michael and Catharine's oldest child, as far as I know, was John Kelley who was born about 1833 in New York, so I assume they came over shortly before that time. If anyone is researching this branch of the Kelley family I would really like to know about it. I know that at one time the family lived in Mt. Morris New York (1850 and 1860 census) but I have lost them for the 1870 census. By 1873 they were living in Muir Michigan. Thanks, Jim Moses

Thought this might be of interest to KELLEY researchers, if you are in Ireland or will be travelling to Ireland in September: >From Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter: The Ulster Historical Foundation will hold the eighth family history conference in its Searching for that Elusive Irish Ancestor series. This will be held Sept. 1 through 8, 1998 in Belfast and Dublin. Details are at: http://www.uhf.org.uk/confrncf.htm Paula Kelley Ward San Antonio, Texas pward@express-news.net

I have found the following KELLEY tombstones in the Town Creek Baptist Church Cemetery just south of Elijay, GA (toward Talking Rock) in Pickens Co, formerly Cherokee Co., GA. I don't believe they belong to my KELLEY family, and I hope they will help someone. Mack D. KELLEY (b. 1880; d. 1941) Anthie O. KELLEY (b. 1884; d. 1948) Olan Thurston KELLEY (b. 2/10/1905; d. 6/30/1909) Anthia K. KELLEY (b. 3/30/1952; d. 8/5/1952) William KELLEY (b. 1836; d. 1905) Gorgia KELLEY (b. 10/24/1903; d. 11/28/1903) Mary Ader KELLEY (b. 12/14/1907; d. 1/16/1908) Mack KELLEY (b. 9/24/1909; d. 9/28/1909) Bob KELLEY (b. 5/22/1870; d. 12/25/1921) Julia Dean KELLEY (b. 3/3/1882; d. 11/30/1982 at 100 yrs. and 8 mos) Infant son of Bob and Julia (b/d. 9/15/1914) R. L. KELLEY (b. 8/21/1912; d. 2/5/1933) Pam Mullinax E-Mail: pmullinax@mindspring.com

I don't know if we connect, but my Kelley's left TN in the 1850's for MO, and then on to AR and eventually TX. Take a look at some of the members and if they look familiar we'll go further. Descendants of James M. Kelley 1 James M. Kelley . +Anna H. b: Abt. 1805 in TN d: August 28, 1875 in Marion Co., TN (Ross Ellis Cemetery) ...... 2 John Kelly b: Abt. 1828 in TN .......... +Jane b: Abt. 1828 in TN .............. 3 James M. Kelly b: Abt. 1851 in TN .............. 3 Ann (Anne) Kelly b: Abt. 1856 in TN .................. +Riley C. Whittaker m: February 07, 1877 in Lawrence AR .............. 3 John Kelly b: Abt. 1858 in AR .............. 3 Martha J. Kelly b: September 1861 in MO .................. +Thomas B. Mcelyea m: March 15, 1883 in Lawrence AR ...... 2 Riley A. Kelly b: Abt. 1830 in Marion Co.,TN d: Abt. 1875 in Lawrence, AR .......... +Kay A. b: Abt. 1836 in TN .............. 3 Amanda J. Kelly b: Abt. 1854 in TN .................. +Benjamin Turman m: November 08, 1871 in Lawrence Co., AR .............. 3 Kesiah Kelly b: Abt. 1856 in TN .................. +John Holloway m: February 23, 1880 in Lawrence AR .............. 3 William Kelly b: Abt. 1858 in TN .............. 3 George Washington Kelly b: Abt. 1860 in MO .................. +Thursia Phillip m: January 23, 1881 .............. 3 Synthia Kelly b: Abt. 1863 in MO .................. +Josiah P. Hill m: June 28, 1882 in Lawerence Co. AR .............. 3 John D. Kelly b: Abt. 1866 in Black Rock, Lawrence, AR .............. 3 James Riley Kelly b: April 1868 in Black Rock, Lawrence, AR .................. +Lillian M b: October 1870 in AR ...... 2 Amanda Kelly b: Abt. 1835 in Marion Co.,TN ...... 2 George Washington Kelly b: May 24, 1838 in Marion Co.,TN d: October 27, 1887 in Marion Co., TN (Ross Ellis Cemetery) .......... +Priscilla Jane Raulston b: March 05, 1837 d: 1912 in Marion Co., TN (Ross Ellis Cemetery) .............. 3 Nannie Kelly b: June 08, 1869 d: December 11, 1916 in Marion Co., TN (Ross Ellis Cemetery) ...... 2 William Kelly b: Abt. 1840 in Marion Co.,TN Good Luck with your search. Ed Kelley in Georgia

Hello, I only have one Kelly family and would like to extend it back to Ireland: Thomas Allen KELLY, b.c. 1830 in Giles Cy, TN married Ruth DAVIDSON March 10, 1853 at Verona, Lawrence Cy, MO. Ruth was born November 09, 1834, also in Giles Cy, TN. They had five children together, Sarah Elizabeth (my greatgrandmother), Rebecca Jane, Columbus, John, and Nancy Aletha. Rebecca died as an infant when her parents homesteaded in Kansas, Columbus died at age ten, and John was accidentally shot by a celebrating cowhand at the end of a round up in Wichita Falls, TX. Sarah married Ezekiel Ellis, a farmer, and Nancy married Charles Walker. Allen was a Union Soldier during the Civil War along with his brother Norval. Allen was killed at the battle of Grand Prarie on 24 Oct 1862. When Norval got leave he returned to Verona where Ruth decided that she wanted his body returned. Norval, his wife, and Ruth drove a wagon north for three weeks, exhumed Allen's body, and the two women drove south three weeks while Norval returned to duty. I haven't found out who the boys parents were, but did find the following marriages recorded in Lawrence Cy, MO, all within a two-year span. Were the four KELLYs related or is this just a coincidence? Thomas A. KELLY m. Ruth S. DAVIDSON on March 10, 1853 [J. B. Higdon J.P.] William G. KELLY m. Anise E. LOLLAR on March 9, 1854 [Henry C. Lollar, M.G.] George P. KELLY m. Mary E. HENLEY on March 7, 1855 [A. A. Young, M.G.] Sarah Ann KELLY m. B. F. WOODS on January 5, 1854 [G. B. Kirby. J.P.] Any help would be appreciated. -- Roger Hillhouse hillhous@electriciti.com San Diego, California

-- [ From: Carrie P. Bell * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Paula, Thank you for the welcome. I am very new to genealogy but have appreciated very much the way that genealogists support and help each other. This is what I know so far. My gggrandmother is Kizziah Kelley, b. Sept. 22, 1818, d. 1898 (do not know location of birth or death but could be Doddridge Co., W VA or Shelby Co., OH), m. Oct. 8, 1840 (?) Samuel Polan, Jr. (b. Sept. 27, 1824, d. Nov. 13, 1892). Her father is John M. Kelley, b. 1797 in Upper Alloways Creek, Salem Co., NJ, d. April 17, 1860 in Doddridge Co., W VA, m. Sophia Bee (b. 1796, d. June 15, 1845 in Doddridge Co., W VA). John's father is Nathan Kelley, b. abt. 1770 in Salem Co., NJ, d. aft. 1820 in Harrison Co., W VA, m. Eliazbeth (Jarman?). Nathan's father is another John Kelley. He may have come from Ireland in 1746 on the ship Delaware with Capt. Wm. Humphreys to Philadelphia, and may have been indented to John Hallowell June 5, 1746 to learn the shoemaker's trade, but according to the source I read, it is not known with certainty if this is the same John Kelley who is the father of Nathan. I hope I will find some people who also have connections to this line and can help me fill in my gaps, and just help me with the nuts and bolts of genealogy in general since I am so new at this. Thanks. Carrie Bell in CA -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Saturday, 02-May-98 12:31 PM From: Paula Ward \ Internet: (pward@express-news.net) To: Carrie P. Bell \ PRODIGY: (NKJW75A) Subject: Re: subscribe Hi, Carrie, Welcome to the Kelley List! If you would, please introduce yourself and describe your Kelley research problem. Please send your messages to: Kelley-L@rootsweb.com Hope you find some cousins here! Happy hunting! Paula Paula Kelley Ward San Antonio, Texas pward@express-news.net ---------- > From: MRS CARRIE P BELL <NKJW75A@prodigy.com> > To: Kelley-l-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: subscribe > Date: Saturday, May 02, 1998 2:02 AM > > subscribe > -------- REPLY, End of original message --------

If anyone needs help in GA, see below: ---------- From: hayes01@sprynet.com Subject: Re: Kelley, John: 1813 SC > 1890 GA Date: Saturday, May 02, 1998 10:44 AM I live in Muscogee County GA. and will be glad to help or give you people to contact if will let me know. Linda

If anyone can offer assistance to Linda, please reply to her. Thanks! ---------- From: hayes01@sprynet.com Date: Saturday, May 02, 1998 10:43 AM Thank you for your warm response. I am new to thisand will appreciate any help. I am seeking info on Phillip Kelly of Terrell County, Ga. Born late 1860s married Cadia (Kate) Powell. They lived in Charleston, SC briefly in early 1890s and had son James Baker Kelly who died there in infancy. They came back to Terrell Co. and had my grandfather Hill in 1893. They divorced when he was a baby. That is all I have cannot locate him in census. Any help will be appreciated. Linda

Seeking to correspond with anyone who can connect with the following very disjointed KELLY family. Willis KELLY b late 1700s d 1826 Union County Indiana first wife: assumed to exist children: Miranda KELLY married Unknown COOK Willis C. KELLY Patty KELLY married Unknown KNOTT Elam KELLY married Sarah HOLLAND April 1, 1824 second wife Dardania ???, married before 1816, divorced Dec 22, 1823 children: Celia KELLY b abt 1816 Cinthia KELLY married Richard HAWORTH March 2, 1836 Seth KELLY married Elizabeth A. HOLLIDAY Apr 4, 1844 Alpha KELLY married Richard BATES Sept 12, 1833 Olive KELLY married Thomas HAWORTH Oct 27, 1831 third wife Charity HOLLINGSWORTH, married Feb 29, 1824 Childred of Seth KELLY are Dona KELLY b 1845 Kosciusco KELLY b 1846 Alpha R. KELLY b 1848 Jane Olive KELLY b 1850, married Thomas BURNSIDE 1874 Capron C. KELLY b1853, married Ella BOURGOIN 1875 Lina Belle KELLY b1854, married William A. FOSDICK 1873 Addie E. KELLY b 1856 Rosetta KELLY b 1859 These familys were located in the Liberty, Union County, Indiana area from about 1800. Jim Kelly JKelly4425@aol.com

I am new to the KELLEY list. My Great Grandmother's sister, Nancy McSwiney from Indiana Co, Pa married a John Kelly in 1858. They moved to Page Co, Iowa & then on the Norton Co, Ks abt 1873. I have some of this family but would like to share with other related KELLYs. Gin in Kansas

I am still at a standstill on my Kelleys from Al. Gabriel Thomas Kelley m. Nancy Deen 1868 in Conecuh Co. Al. His parents were James and Sara; his siblings were William and Irvin. Gabriel & Nancy's children were Cordelia, Annie and John Lafitte(Fate). Gabriel's family moved to Jackson Co. Fl. by the time Annie m. J.M. Reynolds in 1892. I was told that the entire family lived in Butler Co. for years, but can't find records. I would like to know the parents of James and where they came from. Does anyone have any Kelleys that would tie in? Thanks Sharon Dean Agte

This is my line of KELLEY's. They seemed to follow the coalmines in Ohio and Kentucky. More recent generations moved to Michigan possibly for the automotive industry jobs. Anyone with a connection please contact me. My e-mail address is LMAU18A@prodigy.com. KELLEY, James b. Ireland? married c. 1830 in Harlan County, KY 1) Eif 2) Robert b. 1 Jan 1835 3) McThyous 4) Fred 5) Nathan 6) Pete KELLEY, Robert b 1 Jan 1835 Harlan County, KY married Mary NOLAN 11 Feb 1858 in Greenup, Greenup County, KY died 14 Feb 1905 McDowell, WV 1) Francis Marion b 1 Apr 186 2) Preston W b 30 June 1863 d 30 June 1888 3) William Epperson b 29 Mar 1868 4) James K b 20 Mar 1870 d 22 Oct 1894 5) Margaret R (Belle) b 16 Feb 1873 6) McPherson b 22 Jul 1876 7) Robert b 8 Aug 1878 d 5 Dec 1952 8) Nathaniel "Nye" b 16 Aug 1880 d 1930 KELLEY, Robert b 8 Aug 1879 Ironton, Lawrence County, Ohio married Myrtle BRAFFORD died 5 Dec 1952 in Ingham County, Michigan 1) Clifford b 1 Nov 1920 d 30 Dec 1983 2) Katheirn b 25 Dec 1921 d 13 Mar 1994 3) Samuel b 10 Jul 1925 d 4 Jan 1997 4) Roscoe b 10 Jul 1925 5) Ruby b 22 Sept 1927 d 2 Jul 1991 6) Avanel b 6 Jul 1929 7) Clinton b 20 Jul 1932 8) Claude b 20 Jul 1932

Hi to all of the KELLY searchers. I am new to this prject called geneology, so please bear with me if I make any booboos. The KELLY's in my family are on my paternal side. I guess I can attempt to show the connection here. Marshall Patrick (ggrandfather) son of Adelaide (Adeline) KELLY & Howard Franklin Patrick Adelaide (Adeline) KELLY (gggrandmother) daughter of George Wheatley KELLY & Martha Reasor George Wheatley KELLY (ggggrandfather) son of Davis KELLY & ? (ca 1789-1812) son of Lawrence KELLY & ? (ca 1740-1823) THis is information that my aunt had written down in some papers and uncle gave to me. No verification on any but the first 2 KELLY's. My fathers family is mainly from central IL (Coles County) and Indiana. So I guess this is all I can tell you for now! Thanks for reading this far. Pat Webb

> I have been researching KELL(E)Y's who lived in Alabama starting about 1850 and > moved to Texas. Specifically my family moved to San Saba, TX in 1867. I have > found references to other KELL(E)Y's in this county but, do not have them in my > database. I have hypothesized that my line moved to San Saba and the Texas Hill > Country area following other relatives. I have no way of knowing because I > cannot in anyway connect them. I am posting this to your lists hoping that > someone might recognize the listed members of the KELL(E)Y clan. I sent a post to the San Saba County GENWEB asking about Daniel C. KELL(E)Y and Mrs. M.E. KELLY (husband and wife on Civil War Pension application). The volunteer stated they were not buried in San Saba County and sent me a list of KELLY's who were. Hopefully one of you will be able to help me to locate these people. Hopefully somehow they will in someway connect.... Thanks for your gracious and generous help. I am at a dead end and loss....Mike > I did not find Daniel or Mrs. M.E.. I did find two Kellys who were > born in Alabama. Perhaps, they are part of the same family. > > Death Index before 1911: > > Sallie A. Kelley, white, F, 56 yrs. 20 days, Born Alabama, Died 21 Jan > 1909 at 12 M. of Exhastion & appoplexy > > Annie Kelly, W, F, 8 yers. 3 mo., China Creek, Death- Sept 2, 1906 8pm > rheumatism > Death certificates 1911-1917 > A.H. Kelly, Died in San Saba, White, M, Married, Birth, Oct 22,1847. > 65yr, 5 mo, 9 days, occupation- stockman, birthplace-Ala. > Death Date- March 31,1913, cause of death, Operation for locked Bowels > Father's name and birthplace - Pat James Kelly, Trinidad, W.E. > > Lynn Blankenship > San Saba > jerlyn@centex.net

Hello - I'm looking for James Reuben Kelley who was married to Margaret Gladden. They lived in Greene Co., PA - in late 1800's/early 1900's. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you, - CJ. :)

If anyone can help, please reply to Ed: > From: Ed Day <skiped@netonecom.net> > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 11:28 AM > > Here are my Kelleys. I'm looking for ancestors of the John Kelley in > the first generation. Any help will be appreciated. These folks were in > Eastern Kentucky, Letcher, Harlan, Perry, Knott counties. > > 1 Kelley, John b: August 22, 1755 d: Abt. 1832 > .. +Ison, Polly b: 1765 d: 1828 > ......... 2 Kelley, Elizabeth b: 1794 in Virginia > ............. +Hogg, James, Sr. b: 1777 d: February 18, 1861 > ........ 2 Kelley, Polly > ......... 2 Kelly, John, Jr. > ......... 2 Kelley, Margaret > ......... 2 Kelley, Thomas b: 1780 d: 1842 > ............. +Mullins, Nancy b: 1785 d: Bef. 1833 > .................... 3 Kelley, Jane b: 1811 > ........................ +Tutt, John C. > .................... 3 Kelley, Elizabeth b: 1813 > ........................ +Hammonds, Esau > .................... 3 Kelley, Margaret b: 1819 > ........................ +Combs, William > .................... 3 Kelley, Nancy b: 1823 > ........................ +Martin, William > .................... 3 Kelley, George Washington b: June 1825 d: 1904 in > Knott Co KY > ........................ +Smith, Sarah (Sallie) b: May 1828 d: 1903 in > Knott Co KY > ............................... 4 Kelley, William b: 1856 > ................................... +Francis, Elizabeth > ............................... 4 Kelley, George Washington, Jr. b: 1866 > ................................... +Adams, Dicy > ............................... 4 Kelley, John D. b: June 1861 in Perry Co > KY d: Abt. 1955 in MI > ................................... +Sumner, Dulcenia June b: Abt. 1870 d: > 1910 > ............................... *2nd Wife of [10] John D. Kelley: > ................................... +Caudill, Sarah L. Hart > ............................... 4 Kelley, Thomas b: 1846 > ................................... +Combs, Polly Ann > ............................... 4 Kelley, Leander b: April 08, 1854 > ................................... +Cornett, Elizabeth > ............................... 4 Kelley, Jackson b: May 1849 > ................................... +Combs, Dulcena > ............................... 4 Kelley, Louisa b: 1850 > ............................... 4 Kelly, Jane b: March 12, 1852 d: August > 1918 > ................................... + Francis, Samuel b: 1851 > ............................... 4 Kelley, Elihue b: August 17, 1869 > .................... 3 Kelley, Mary b: 1827 > ........................ +Smith, Richard > .................... 3 Kelly, Sarah b: April 15, 1815 in NC d: April 18, > 1895 in KY > ........................ +Combs, Jeremiah Lorenzo b: 1815 in KY d: Abt. > 1862 in KY > ......... *2nd Wife of Thomas Kelley: > ............. +Vernick, Betsey > .................... 3 Kelley, Lourisa b: 1842 > ........................ +Centers, William >

If you can help, please reply to Alli: > From: Alli <aka2@magiclink.com> > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 1:33 PM > > Hi Everyone, my name is Alli & I am trying to help my mother in law do > research on my father-in-law's side of the family. (who has passed away a > yr. ago Easter Sunday). Unfortunately we don't have a whole of information > on the Kelly surname, but we have picture's of some Kelly headstones that > are located in the Roca Cemetery, Roca, Nebraska. We're not sure who's > married to who. > I will put the Exact info. that's on the headstone's. > 1. Allen Bernard Kelly > Nebraska > SGT. 413 Fighter GP AAAF > World War II > July 21, 1911 to Oct. 22, 1962 > > 2. Orlin R. Kelly > Sept. 3, 1908 to June 28, 1936 > > 3. Franklin D. Kelly > Aug. 12, 1882 to Nov. 17, 1918 > > 3. James W. Kelly > Nebraska > TMTC US Navy > World War II > April 11, 1903 to Jan 19, 1959 > > 4. KELLY > Ethel L. Feb. 3, 1920 to Sept. 26, 1990 > & Daniel R. Nov. 28, 1905 to June 1, 1986 > > 5. KELLY > Marjorie R. Apr. 11, 1918 to June 12, 1996 > Married Oct. 10, 1936 to > Donald W. May 13, 1913 to ?? > > 6. KELLEY > Coral J. 1887-1963 > Ralph J. 1884--1963 > > This is all we have, I hope someone can help. Thank you > Alli > ----------

I just posted this morning and now just got my mail so I have more information. Looking for information on Alvah Kelley, son of William Kelley and Tabitha. Born abt. 23 Jan 1805 in NY. Alvah was married to "Ruth" (Rohanna, Ruhamer) Kenyan. Any connection out there? Jill Olmack Here's the posting I just sent this morning. I have just started tracking my husband's lines. His ggg-grandfather is Alva Kelley who was married to "Ruth" Ruhamer Ronneon(?). In 1860, Alva is in Delaware Twp., Sanilac county, MI, but I believe he may have come from Bolton, Warren Co, NY. His daughter Nancy A. Kelley was listed with her husband Silas Merrill in the 1850 census for Bolton, Warren Co, NY. They were married with that year, which leads me to guess that Nancy may have been living with her parents just prior to that time. Anyone know Alva Kelley?

> From: KNW1013 <KNW1013@aol.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 7:43 PM > > My name is Debra and I am researching my Kelley line. Please email me at > KNW1013@aol.com if anyone has any information about any of these people. > Thank You. > > > John Kelley (I know nothing else about this man) was the father of: > John William Kelley > Born:1813,Muscogee County,SC (I have never located a Muscogee County in > S.Carolina, there is one in Georgia though) He died 12/15/1890 and is > buried at Bridge Creek Cemetery-Colquitt County,Ga. > He married Martha MABRY in 1837. Martha was born 1812 and died > 12/17/1898 and is buried next to her husband. > John William Kelley is believed to be from S.Carolina. He did move to > the eighth land district of Thomas County,Georgia, which is now Colquitt > County, from Alabama in approximately 1842. He settled just east of the > present town of Bay and near the Thigpin Trail and was a large and > prosperous farmer with his primary interest being in cultivated crops. > Although he was too old to serve in the Civil War, he did participate in > local militia drills. > They had the following children: > James Irwin-born 1838 Muscogee County > Eliza Ann-1840 near Dothan,Alabama > Martha Elizabeth near Dothan,Ala. > Missouri-1843 Bay,Ga. Thomas County > Harriett Emmaline-1845 Bay,Ga. > John Thomas-1847 Bay,Ga. > Susan- 1849 Bay,Ga. > Timothy-1850 Bay,Ga. > Saphrona(Fronnie)-5/1853 Bay,Ga. > > Missouri Kelley married Henry Murphy. > James Thomas Kelley married Mary Hancock (daughter of James E. Hancock) > on 12/2/1869. > James died on 1/14/1925. > Susan Kelley married a Mr. McClandon. > Harriett Emmaline Kelley married Isaiah BARTON.

Hi, I have just started tracking my husband's lines. His ggg-grandfather is Alva Kelley who was married to "Ruth" Ruhamer Ronneon(?). In 1860, Alva is in Delaware Twp., Sanilac county, MI, but I believe he may have come from Bolton, Warren Co, NY. His daughter Nancy A. Kelley was listed with her husband Silas Merrill in the 1850 census for Bolton, Warren Co, NY. They were married with that year, which leads me to guess that Nancy may have been living with her parents just prior to that time. Anyone know Alva Kelley? Thanks Jill Olmack