Hi all, I need to make contact with descendants of WALTER KELLEY: > Received a land grant Craven Co SC 1754 > WALTER KELLEY SR , cordwainer and his wife ELIZABETH sold land Craven Co on south side Wateree River. 17 Feb 1765. > Crown grants in St. Matthew Parish: (Georgia) WALTER KELLY 300 ac bounded on the southwest by the Great Ogeechee River 2 Jul 1765. (vol2p43). At this point WALTER appears to disappear from all records Would be grateful for any info on WALTER KELLEY in GA. Thank U. Pauline Stanhagen Pauline806@aol.com

KELLY, Mary Elizabeth (b. 6-14-1856 in TX; d. 12-14-1937 in OK) d/o David Kelly and Helen Holman, married John Conley Cates on 10-10-1878 in TX. Would like to know more about Mary, her siblings and her parents' dates and places of birth. David Kelly died in 1901 and both he and Helen were born in Indiana. Any info appreciated. Reply to <dmasonhall@coinet.com>.

I'm looking for information on the Shelby James KELLEY family. Shelby was born 1/28/1886 in Hazel Dell, IL. He died 10/23/1955 in Bozeman, MT. He married Letitia Isabella GIBSON on 6/4/1905 in Charleston, IL. She was born 4/18/1886 in Fairview, IL and died 12/20/1967 in Bozeman, MT. They had 4 children, Marion, b. Indiana or Illinois, Archie, b. in Sheridan, MT, and Martha & Dallace, both born in Twin Bridges, MT. All I know about Shelby's family is that he had a sister named Goldie and another named Bonnie (she married a Horton and had a daughter named Ruth). There is also some relative who lives in Indiana named Flora and there's also a half brother named Ray. Letitia was called Belle and her father was Fred GIBSON. He married Susannah Jane COLLINBAUGH in Smithboro, IL. Susannah was born 3/30/1866 and died 7/26/1892, I think, in Smithboro, IL. If I read my notes right, she was buried in Pleasant Bethel, North Corrthington, Green County, Owen Cemetery. Susannah's father was Johann Georg COLENBAUGH, b. 6/30/1823. He married, in 1849, Matilda MOSER. They had Ebon, Alonzo, Mary Ellen, Louisa, Audrey, Amy, Hila Ann, Jessie Alice, and Fletcher in addition to Susannah. The COLLINBAUGHS, formerly the KALMBACHS, are from the Black Forest in Germany, arriving in USA in 1832, with 7 children and $200. They stopped first in OH, then went west to IN in a wagon Johann's father built.. I guess you can probably guess what comes next! I'm looking for information on Shelby & Belle's parentage and families.

Dear List Do you recognize any of these Kellys and can you provide any information on them to me? I would deeply appreciate it if you did---Tom in Minn 1 KELLY ..+MARTIN 2 OWEN KELLY b: 1795 in Co. Tyrone, Ireland B/N 1 June & 16 Aug d: in Woonsocket, RI ...+MARY MELLON b: 1805 in Tyrone, Ireland B/N 1 June & 16 Aug d: in ?Woonsocket, RI after 6/1870 Father: MELLON(?Melton) Mother: MARTIN 3 Edward Kelly b: in ?Canada 3 Edward Kelly d: in infancy 3 Edward Kelly d: In infancy 3 William Kelly b: Abt. 1827 in ?Canada or Mass. 3 John Kelly b: Abt. 1827 in ?Canada ....+Margaret bapt. in Ireland ..4 Julia M. Kelly b: Abt. 1853 ..4 Francis Kelly b: Abt. 1857 ..4 Agnes G. Kelly b: Abt. 1859 3 James Kelly b: Abt. 1830 in ?Canada or Mass. bd St Charles cem Woonsocket, RI ..4 (Many) 3 Thomas Kelly b: Abt. 1832 in ?Canada d: in 2nd Battle of Bull Run 3 Francis E. Kelly b: 1835 in Maine 3 Henry Kelly b: Abt. 1836 in ?Canada ..4 Loutea Kelly 3 Mary Ann Kelly b: Abt. 1838 in Maine src: 1870 census d: in after 1870 ....+McCafferty m: in Woonsocket, RI 3 CATHERINE MARIE KELLY b: August 03, 1840 in Whitefield, Lincoln co., Maine d: June 09, 1933 in St Paul, MN ....+FRANCIS JOSEPH McPARTLIN b: February 25, 1828 in Cloone Parish, Drumerkane, Co Leitrim, Ireland m: February 25, 1867 in Woonsocket, RI d: January 01, 1914 in Glencoe, MN, McLeod Co., bd in Glencoe, MN, St George's Father: OWEN McPARTLIN Mother: ELLEN HEARNE 3 Elizabeth Kelly b: Abt. 1842 in Maine 3 Margaret Kelly b: Abt. 1843 in Maine ....+Charles Birchfield m: Aft. 1870 in Woonsocket, RI ..4 Emma Birchfield ..4 Frank Birchfield 3 Michael Kelly b: Abt. 1848 in ?Canada

Hi: I had the same experience a few years ago, when doing research on one branch of my KELLY family in Baltimore, MD. At New Cathedral Cemetery, they told me that you could request an "extra deep" grave, so that someone else could be buried on top, but they would not open the grave for 25 years, to insure that nothing would be left from the original burial. At Holy Cross Cemetery, now part of Woodlawn Cemetery, my grandparents were buried two deep as far back as 1907. I am told that the plots were sold that way - for the purpose of stacked burial. When my grandmother KELLY died and they dug the grave, they found that my grandfather's body had been preserved - it looked like a statue, and there was no sign of the casket - it had disintegrated! Mary Jean

I'm forwarding this for Patrick J. O'Kelley. If you wish to reply to his message, please reply to him (not to me!) at: goober.com@juno.com ---------- > From: Patrick J O'Kelley <goober.com@juno.com> > Subject: Thomas O'Kelley > Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 4:56 PM > > Howdy, > I'm Patrick O'Kelley. Thomas O'Kelley is my 5th Great Grandfather. His > son, Benjamin was my 4th Great Grandfather. I am currently stationed in > Fort Bragg, North Carolina, but Benjamin O'Kelley moved to Candler, North > Carolina after the Revolutionary War, and the O'Kelley's of his line have > lived there ever since. > I have quite a bit of information, military records, etc. > > > Patrick O'Kelley > goober.com@juno.com

It is quite common for national cemeteries to bury three deep. I have a plot in San Antonio with a son buried there and there is room for two others. I just hope it is not too soon from now. ---------- From: Henry Kelley <km4o@ix.netcom.com> To: KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Stacked Caskets (was: Burials...) Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 12:23 AM Howdy, A couple weeks ago I attended a funeral of my neighbor and much to my surprise he was buried 12 feet down so his wife could be buried on top. This was in Fulton County , College Park , Georgia. thought this would be of some interest to you all. Henry C. Kelley Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Paula Ward <pward@express-news.net> To: KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com <KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Stacked Caskets (was: Burials...) >This isn't exactly about KELLEY research, but it's certainly interesting. > >Calvary Cemetery in Queens, New York, may be one of the largest cemeteries >in the world and it has been in existence since the early 1800's. The >practice of burying family members one on top of the other is not as >unusual as might be thought. In my mother's family, several deeds exist >for family burial plots in Calvary Cemetery in New York. When I wrote to >obtain information about family members, I found that I could order a list >of interments for each plot. From the 1850s up to the present time, the >same plots and the same graves have been used again and again. The lists >of interments provided an overwhelming amount of information and included >names and data about people I was researching, and some I had never heard >about--which required more research... > >A story that my grandmother told was quite revealing. She said that when >they dug the grave to bury her grandfather, nothing remained from her >four-year-old sister's burial (from only four years before)...except the >brass nameplate from the casket. > >Paula > >Paula Kelley Ward >San Antonio, Texas >pward@express-news.net >"Genealogy is the art of confusing the dead and irritating the living.” > >---------- >On Wednesday, August 26, 1998 10:46 PM, Alli <aka2@magiclink.com> said: >> >> Interesting info. One the subject of "stacking" the casket's? I don't >know >> the exact location or name of the cemetary, but there is at least one >> family down in Phoenix, Az. that has already been doing this same thing. >My >> x-brother-in-law was telling me that a friend of his already knows >exactly >> where he'll be buried when his time comes-on top of his parents & quite a >> few generations back are. >> Of course--if they "run out of room" in his area--they'll have a whole >> bunch located in one plot to move, should save some time. >> > > >==== KELLEY Mailing List ==== >For information on virus hoaxes and urban legends, see (for example): >http://www.kumite.com/myths/ > > > > ==== KELLEY Mailing List ==== Consider sending your reply to the list, not just to the original poster. Others may benefit from the data you provide. ----------

Stacking caskets and bodies in cemeteries has been practiced for decades if not centuries. Many modern urban cemeteries have done it since the 19th century and almost all do it today. The Potter's Field that NYC runs on Hart's Island and has run since 1869 holds over a million burials and counting and they stack them three high. And then after a credible passage of time, they start over again. Kelvin Kean Elverson, Pennsylvania

Hello, fellow Kelley descendants. I am Chris Stefanovich, presently in Orlando, Fl. I am researching my family history and have hit a dead-end with Kelley line. My ggg grandfather - Alexander Kelley info follows: Alexander Kelley is the earliest ancestor known on record in America for the Kelley line. He was born near Belfast Ireland, May 20, 1760. The family spoke of County Donagal and County Tyrone. He married Jane Rodgers (Rogers?), but she died in 1800. The date of his arrival in this country is about 1782 and he probably settled soon in Pennsylvania, as he married "near Bullskin Township, Fayette County." His second wife was Catherine Campbell, born October 25, 1783, died August 9, 1844 at the age of 61 years, 7 months, 15 days. Alexander was 23 years her senior and survived her and died, presumably in Fayette County on July 24, 1850 at the age of 90 years, 2 months, 12 days. More info can be found on his page on my web site: http://www.stefanovich.com/Kelley/Alexander_KELLEY.html I'd like to find more of Alexander's line, family notes mention a total of 24 kids :>0 Also, maybe his parents or sibling? My e-mail is Chris@stefanovich.com Fare thee well and thanks, Chris

Dear Paula, Thank you so much for your info. I am checking it over to see if I can find some kernel of info that I don't have yet. Carmen -----Original Message----- From: Paula Ward <pward@express-news.net> To: KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com <KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Machine Gun Kelly Here is a website that appears to have the complete story of Machine Gun Kelly: Machine Gun Kelly http://www.keytech.com/~dcordry/Kelly.html This site also has an excellent bibliography of research sources. Paula Kelley Ward San Antonio, Texas pward@express-news.net "Genealogy is the art of confusing the dead and irritating the living. ==== KELLEY Mailing List ==== For information about other RootsWeb mailing lists, see: http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist

Howdy, A couple weeks ago I attended a funeral of my neighbor and much to my surprise he was buried 12 feet down so his wife could be buried on top. This was in Fulton County , College Park , Georgia. thought this would be of some interest to you all. Henry C. Kelley Jr. -----Original Message----- From: Paula Ward <pward@express-news.net> To: KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com <KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Stacked Caskets (was: Burials...) >This isn't exactly about KELLEY research, but it's certainly interesting. > >Calvary Cemetery in Queens, New York, may be one of the largest cemeteries >in the world and it has been in existence since the early 1800's. The >practice of burying family members one on top of the other is not as >unusual as might be thought. In my mother's family, several deeds exist >for family burial plots in Calvary Cemetery in New York. When I wrote to >obtain information about family members, I found that I could order a list >of interments for each plot. From the 1850s up to the present time, the >same plots and the same graves have been used again and again. The lists >of interments provided an overwhelming amount of information and included >names and data about people I was researching, and some I had never heard >about--which required more research... > >A story that my grandmother told was quite revealing. She said that when >they dug the grave to bury her grandfather, nothing remained from her >four-year-old sister's burial (from only four years before)...except the >brass nameplate from the casket. > >Paula > >Paula Kelley Ward >San Antonio, Texas >pward@express-news.net >"Genealogy is the art of confusing the dead and irritating the living.” > >---------- >On Wednesday, August 26, 1998 10:46 PM, Alli <aka2@magiclink.com> said: >> >> Interesting info. One the subject of "stacking" the casket's? I don't >know >> the exact location or name of the cemetary, but there is at least one >> family down in Phoenix, Az. that has already been doing this same thing. >My >> x-brother-in-law was telling me that a friend of his already knows >exactly >> where he'll be buried when his time comes-on top of his parents & quite a >> few generations back are. >> Of course--if they "run out of room" in his area--they'll have a whole >> bunch located in one plot to move, should save some time. >> > > >==== KELLEY Mailing List ==== >For information on virus hoaxes and urban legends, see (for example): >http://www.kumite.com/myths/ > > > >

You know its odd--I've seen, read & heard about the Desecration of Indian burial places & most times you only hear or see about the Indians complaining how the White people are destroying their families 'resting place'. And we (white people) most of the time call it "progress" But now that it's going to happen to our own--we're complaining that its wrong & shouldn't happen. Did I miss something between the two? Alli ---------- > From: Susan Hochstetler <suzyQimmy@webtv.net> > To: KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: KELLEY-D Digest V98 #164 > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 9:07 PM > > I agree abt. not disturbing the cemetaries but not for genealogical > reasons. A cemetary or grave should be a sacred place. It's where > someone's family member was laid to rest. Desecration of a grave should > be a criminal offense. We put our loved ones there i good faith that the > grave will not be disturbed. It may not seem important in this modern > world to have some old grave taking up space, but how would the person > that allows this to happen feel if the grave of thier parents was moved > because some developer or government official got a little greedy and > wanted to develpoe the place where they were buried. Yes, an old grave > or cemetary is part of our history, but they should be more than that > and not just to genealogists.A hundred year from know are our graves > going to be drug up and rearranged because no one cares about who came > before. Our ancestors would be turning in thier graves if they could see > what we have become. They were simple and most ueducated, bu are we > better? > Kim > > > ==== KELLEY Mailing List ==== > For information about other genealogy mailing lists, see: > http://users.aol.com/johnf/14246/gen_mail.htm > >

This isn't exactly about KELLEY research, but it's certainly interesting. Calvary Cemetery in Queens, New York, may be one of the largest cemeteries in the world and it has been in existence since the early 1800's. The practice of burying family members one on top of the other is not as unusual as might be thought. In my mother's family, several deeds exist for family burial plots in Calvary Cemetery in New York. When I wrote to obtain information about family members, I found that I could order a list of interments for each plot. From the 1850s up to the present time, the same plots and the same graves have been used again and again. The lists of interments provided an overwhelming amount of information and included names and data about people I was researching, and some I had never heard about--which required more research... A story that my grandmother told was quite revealing. She said that when they dug the grave to bury her grandfather, nothing remained from her four-year-old sister's burial (from only four years before)...except the brass nameplate from the casket. Paula Paula Kelley Ward San Antonio, Texas pward@express-news.net "Genealogy is the art of confusing the dead and irritating the living.” ---------- On Wednesday, August 26, 1998 10:46 PM, Alli <aka2@magiclink.com> said: > > Interesting info. One the subject of "stacking" the casket's? I don't know > the exact location or name of the cemetary, but there is at least one > family down in Phoenix, Az. that has already been doing this same thing. My > x-brother-in-law was telling me that a friend of his already knows exactly > where he'll be buried when his time comes-on top of his parents & quite a > few generations back are. > Of course--if they "run out of room" in his area--they'll have a whole > bunch located in one plot to move, should save some time. >

Interesting info. One the subject of "stacking" the casket's? I don't know the exact location or name of the cemetary, but there is at least one family down in Phoenix, Az. that has already been doing this same thing. My x-brother-in-law was telling me that a friend of his already knows exactly where he'll be buried when his time comes-on top of his parents & quite a few generations back are. Of course--if they "run out of room" in his area--they'll have a whole bunch located in one plot to move, should save some time. ---------- > From: Carolyn R. Green <crgreen@risecom.net> > To: KELLEY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Burials... > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 10:42 PM > > Our graveyards, cemeteries should be 'sacred' and preserved. However, time > and events cause these areas to be put 'into perspective'. I've been hearing > for years that we're running out of living areas for families at the rate of > population growth. Discussions of 'stacking' our graves in order to utilize > the space better as an alternative to the standard we now use. Creamation is > another alternative for the desceased to 'take up less space'. > I know of many instances of graves having been moved to other areas. My > husbands great grandmother 'sold' 5000 acres to a large city for a lake that > was planned in the middle of their ranch in 1930's. Her husband, aunt, and 4 > sons (as well as some other graves) in their family cemetery had to be > 'removed'. In Tenn. in the 1930's several cemeteries were 'moved' for the > same reason. There are listings in libraries of these cemeteries and who Had > been there (if known and marked) and where they had been 'removed' to. > I have an interesting problem of another sort...My greatgrandparents and a > couple of their grown children were buried in a cemetery and were 'marked' > after 1900. A few 'people' including some city 'offcials' removed the > tombstones and 'resold' the plots, thinking everyone had moved away and no > one would know! Well that wasn't the case, but the markers were never > replaced!! My grandmother visited the area and rememebered her grandparents > and their graves. 'We' the descendants have had to find the newspaper > clippings for 'our proof' ... > Just a late night commentary....... > Caroyln > > > ==== KELLEY Mailing List ==== > Archives for Mailing Lists > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >

Here is a website that appears to have the complete story of Machine Gun Kelly: Machine Gun Kelly http://www.keytech.com/~dcordry/Kelly.html This site also has an excellent bibliography of research sources. Paula Kelley Ward San Antonio, Texas pward@express-news.net "Genealogy is the art of confusing the dead and irritating the living.”

Here is a copy of an authentic document about Machine Gun Kelly, found at: Alcatraz - Machine Gun Kelly's Transfer Order http://www.alsirat.com/alcatraz/documents/kellydoc.html Transfer Order #1747 Note: This order is typical of the hundreds of orders of transfer issued in 1934. Its only unique point is the name of the prisoner: George "Machine Gun" Kelly (117-AZ). Miscellaneous Form No. 39 (b) SANFORD BATES Director DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE BUREAU OF PRISONS WASHINGTON PER TRANSFER ORDER # 1747 To the Warden of the U.S. Penitentiary, Leavenworth, Kansas or his duly authorized representative; and to the Warden of the U.S. Penitentiary, Alcatraz Island, California: WHEREAS, in accordance with the authority contained in Section 7 of the Act approved May 14, 1930 (46 Stat. 325) the Director of the Bureau of Prisons for the Attorney General has ordered the transfer of George R. Kelly #44131 from the U.S. Penitentiary at Leavenworth to the U.S. Penitentiary at Alcatraz Island, California. NOW THEREFORE, you the Warden of the U.S. Penitentiary at Leavenworth are hereby authorized and directed to execute this order by causing the removal of said prisoner, together with the original writ of commitment and other official papers to the said U.S. Penitentiary and to incur the necessary expense and include it in your regular accounts. And you, the Warden of the U.S. Penitentiary at Alcatraz Island, are hereby authorized and directed to receive the said prisoner into your custody and him to safely keep until the expiration of his sentence or until he is otherwise discharged according to law. For the Attorney General 8/15/34 Sanford Bates ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paula Kelley Ward San Antonio, Texas pward@express-news.net "Genealogy is the art of confusing the dead and irritating the living.”

Dear Kelly Researchers... Several months back, I wrote requesting info on Machine Gun Kelly. I was trying to find out who his parents were. There was a lot of doubt expressed that I was not really related. That still could be true...however, I have heard that George Kelly visited some of my older cousins back in the 1920's in Oklahoma. It is also said that George "Machine Gun" Kelly was my great-grandmother's nephew. Her brother Louis Kelly, was supposedly in his gang. Her parents were John W. Kelly and Melvina Robertson (Robinson), and her name was Sarah Rachel Kelly. They imigrated to Pawhuska, Osage Co., OK from Clay County, KY. Anyone who has info...please reply. I would really like to get some info. Thanks, Carmen Johnson Email: carmenj@bayside.net Home Page: http://www.bayside.net/users/carmenj

Hi again, Found another tibit about Ralph Kelley, in the Oct 26, 1950 newspaper, if interested let me know. The paper was called "Talespiner" Have a great DAY! Theresa Carhart P.O. Box 755 Marlin, TX 76661 theresac@gte.net (main server) or TheresaGen@aol.com (only aol people)

Hi everyone, I found a box of old newspaper at a store, couldn't let them crumble up, too much history. Found a Allene Kelly in this Oct 26,1950, newpaper at some work she was doing to help soldiers at Lackland AFB. I am going to try and scan or copy this paper. She graduated from Prairieview A & M College, Tx, a native of San Antonio. Have a great day! Theresa Carhart P.O. Box 755 Marlin, TX 76661 theresac@gte.net (main server) or TheresaGen@aol.com (only aol people)

Our graveyards, cemeteries should be 'sacred' and preserved. However, time and events cause these areas to be put 'into perspective'. I've been hearing for years that we're running out of living areas for families at the rate of population growth. Discussions of 'stacking' our graves in order to utilize the space better as an alternative to the standard we now use. Creamation is another alternative for the desceased to 'take up less space'. I know of many instances of graves having been moved to other areas. My husbands great grandmother 'sold' 5000 acres to a large city for a lake that was planned in the middle of their ranch in 1930's. Her husband, aunt, and 4 sons (as well as some other graves) in their family cemetery had to be 'removed'. In Tenn. in the 1930's several cemeteries were 'moved' for the same reason. There are listings in libraries of these cemeteries and who Had been there (if known and marked) and where they had been 'removed' to. I have an interesting problem of another sort...My greatgrandparents and a couple of their grown children were buried in a cemetery and were 'marked' after 1900. A few 'people' including some city 'offcials' removed the tombstones and 'resold' the plots, thinking everyone had moved away and no one would know! Well that wasn't the case, but the markers were never replaced!! My grandmother visited the area and rememebered her grandparents and their graves. 'We' the descendants have had to find the newspaper clippings for 'our proof' ... Just a late night commentary....... Caroyln