Woody I have seen the post on this James and Samuel. For any one who don't catch on to what Woody is talking about, this post has Samuel's birth in 1775 and his children birthdate as pre 1770. All before Samuel was born. It is because of mistakes like this (of course this is a very obvious mistake) that I use these as posibilties until I see the documentation. This is one reason I am reluctant about posting all that I have. It is not all documented. So, Please, If you post it, be able to back it up or let us know otherwise. Woody, I have emailed Rhoads ???ed him on this Thanks David Kellam Visit me at http://www.geocities.com/olivershagnasty1/_index.html