So nice to hear from you. My maiden name was Kellum also, but I started the Kellam surname list knowing that it had been changed from Kilham to Killam to Kellam to Kellum during the past 300 years. I've looked at the KN map & found Miltonville in Cloud Co. KN. Then I went to my soudex's that I have, but could not locate a William with a wife named Mary (or Eta) in KN in 1900, 1910, or 1920. Did they move from Kansas after marriage? Where did William & Mary Eta get married? Maybe someone else on the list may recognize your family. At 05:11 PM 10/15/2000 -0500, "Carie" <phase10@indy.net> wrote: My mother sent me an e-mail about the Kellam-Kellum Sir name. I am a Kellum. Carie Ann Kellum Mottweiler. I have done some geneology research, but I have not gotten far on the Kellum side. I can go back as far as William Kellum the father of Harold Kellum born July 20, 1884. William's wife was Mary Eta Albright born 1869 and died 1962. All this information came from my grandfather. Danny Lee Kellum, who knew Mary Eta, his great-grandmother. I would be very interested in finding out more about the Kellum side. Harold Kellum was born in Miltonville Kansas. That is all I know. I have just started researching in the last 2 years or so. And would love any information you could give me. Thanks, Carie

Kellam(s)Listers: Traditionally, Jacob (b 1804) has been assigned as son of James (b ca 1780), apparently on the strength of the Taylor bible. This is a questionable lineage. I find no record of James in an 1810 census, but in Crawford Co, IN, in 1820, he had no son born 1804. Isaac (b ca 1791) was also in Crawford Co that year with one male b 1802-1804, one b 1805-1809, and an older woman, probably the mother, b 1775 or before. John (b ca 1790)was in adjacent Orange Co in 1820 with a son b 1801-1810, who was still at home in 1830. The scene shifted to Dubois Co in 1830, where we find John and Jacob in Columbia Twp and Isaac in Hall Twp. There is no known record of James, Jacob's supposed father, ever living in Dubois Co. In 1830 he was in Lawrence Co, IL. Note that neither John nor Isaac were old enough to have had a son born in 1804. This leads to speculation that Daniel Kellems may have had a second wife, the older woman with Isaac and the two boys in 1820, and that all 3, together with John, were sons of Daniel. May we have some discussion on this? Alicia

Hello, I'm just starting and at about 1850 in Ohio looking for name of Elizabeth Rachel Kellum's father who was born in Ohio, Elizabeth was born in Ilinois in 1872. Her mother was born in PA, info on states is all from a 1920 Iowa census where she was living at age forty-eight. Her daughters were Nora b. 1895, Bessie Jane b. 1897 and son William Kellum (middle name) b. 1900. She was married to George S. VanNote, both buried in Iowa. Need help from someone whose family of Kellums were in Ohio in mid 1800s and in Illinois in early 1890s. Thanks. Barbara

Before anyone goes ballistic, let me submit and refer you to the following resources pertaining to the Kelham family name and the other separate family named Kilham. These are some of the sources I have used in my efforts to trace the two distinct families named Kelham and Kilham. There are numerous other publications: - A Dictionary of English Surnames by P. H. Reaney; revised edition by R. M. Wilson; Oxford University Press, 19997; pages 261 (Kelham) and 265 (Kilham). - Domesday Book, 17 Volumes. - Patronymica Britannica, by Lower, 1860. - Surnames of the United Kingdom, by Harrison, 1912. - Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames, by Bardsley, 1901. - Public Record Office in London England. - The late thirteenth-century Hundred Rolls. - Oxford Dictionary of Place-names. - English Place-name Elements, 2 volumes, by A. H. Smith - The numerous English county Place-names volumes. i.e.. Place-names of the East Riding of Yorkshire and York, by A. H. Smith. (Thank you P. Geist & R. Harriot for this book). - Olof von Feilitzen's book on the pre-Conquest personal names in the Domesday Book. - The Antiquities of Nottinghamshire, by Robert Thoroton, published 1790; three volumes, Volume III, pages 113-126. There is tons more information available but this should be ample to cover my gluteus maximus. Rick Kilham

Good morning: Let me preface this mailing as one person's observations regarding the Kelham family history tracing its roots through Europe as recently posted on our web page last night. If anyone can correct my statements, please feel free to do so. I try to keep an open mind to new facts and materials but not at the expense of historical fiction. Before you all go running out and either enter or believe the latest quasi posting regarding the Kelham family history, please hold on. A few more days will not make any difference. Regretfully, I am familiar with this alleged pearl and may I point out it is apocryphal at best. It is a direct quote from a company that promised to trace your family history for a fee. They are no longer in business because it was proven their stuff was bovine excrement. The nobility was sexually active but we all can not derive our existence from their loins. One of the problems with this company's product was it cited well known resources but no pages or specifics as the their claims. In most peoples earnest desire to believe they sprung from a noble past, they became victims of their own desire to accept an unwarranted place in history for their family's name. If you reread the e-mail piece I am referring to, one will see that the facts do not live up to the genealogical standards of proof. I am sure the sender meant well, but we need to examine the proported facts as stated in the light of support by proper footnotes, and realize farmers made love too. I have read the Domesday Books, etc, and somehow I must of missed the factual pages eluded to as existing in these volumes. Don't you think some one of us might of noticed the Kelham tread in these resources before this point in time? With all do respect, if it is fiction you want then ! I would be more than happy to relate you to Christ. Just don't ask for specific factual citations. I am glad the sender provided us with an example of what is out there to mislead our earnest research efforts. There does exist formats and standards for genealogical research which one should always apply when viewing any material making statements or claims put forth as facts. Simply put, can anyone recreate this Kelham history with footnotes. The answer is no! Rick Kilham

List, It is an interesting, frustrating, and sometimes annoying phenomenon which drives genealogy adherents to adhere themselves and their families to lines of great accomplishment, or honor, or royalty, or wealth, etc. The reality, as difficult as it may be to accept, is that most of us are descended from simple indentured laborer/farmers, tradesmen, or small-time merchants. I descend from John Kellam of Bogerternorton Hundred, Maryland. He was a simple farmer. I can live with that. Don't be thrown by my e-mail address, Joseph Smith- Dedham, Massachusetts

In a message dated 10/10/2000 9:44:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JKellum100@aol.com writes: << Rick Check this out The ancient Chonicles of England the early records of the name Kellum as a Norman surname which ranks as one of the oldest. The history of the name is closely interwoven within the majestic tapestry as in intrinsic part of the history of Britain. >> Forgive me, but this whole thing (I left out 95% of the quote) looks very much like the hooey that is put out by Halberts of Bath, Ohio (or wherever they are operating their scam now). I hope that this mishmash of history, seemingly connected but really not, is not taken seriously by anyone. Caveat Emptor (I hope I spelled that correctly). Allan E. Green

Hello J. Kellum, What a wonderful history of the Kellum name, thank you so very much for your carefully constructed description. Much appreciated. Barbara

Rick Check this out The ancient Chonicles of England the early records of the name Kellum as a Norman surname which ranks as one of the oldest. The history of the name is closely interwoven within the majestic tapestry as in intrinsic part of the history of Britain. In-depth research by skilled analysts into ancient manuscripts such as the Domesday Book (compiled by 1086 by William the conqueror), the Ragman Rolls, the Wace poem, the Honour Roll of the Battel Abbey, the curia Regis, Pipe Rolls, the Falasie Roll, tax records, baptismals, family genealogies, local parish and church records, shows the first record of The name Kellum was found in Nottinghamshire where they were seated from very early times and were granted lands by Duke William of Normandy, their liege Lord, for their distinguished assistance at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 A.D. Many alternate spellings were found in the archives researched, typically linked to a common root, usually on of the Norman nobles at the Battle of Hastings. Although the name, Kellum,appeared in many referecces, from time to time the Surname included Kellam,Kelham, and these changes in spelling frequently occurred, even between father and son. Scribes recorded and spelled the name as it sounded. Typically a person would be born with one spelling , married with Another, and buried with a headstone that showed another. All three spellings related to the same person. Sometimes Preferences for different spellings variations either resulted from a branch preference, religious affilation or sometimes Nationalistic statements. The family named Kellum is believed to be descended originally from the Norman race, frequently but mistakenly Assumed to be of French origin. They were more accurately of Viking origin. The Vikings landed in the Orkneys and northern Scotland about the year 870 A.D. , under their King Stirgud the Stout. Thorfinn Rollo , his descendants landed in northern France about the year 910 A.D. The French king Charles the Simple, after Rollo laid siege to Paris , finally conceded defeat and granted northern France to Rollo. Rollo became the first Duke of Normandy, the territory of the north men . Rollo married Charles' daughter and became a convert To Christianity . Duke William who invaded and defeated England in 1066, was descended from the first Duke Rollo of Normandy Duke William took a census of most of England in 1086, and recorded it in the Domesday Book. A family name capable Of being traced back to this manuscript,or to Hastings, was a signal honour for most families during the middle ages, and even To this day. The surname Kellum emerged as a notable family name in the county of Nottinghamshire where they were recorded as a family Of great antiquity seated with manor and estates in that shire. They were granted the lands of Kellam near Newark-upon-trent in Nottinghamshire by king William. They were official cup bearers to the Earls of Richmond who were descended from the Dukes Of Brittany. They flourished on their estates in Nottinghamshire and later acquired the manor of Bleasby Hall in Nottingham and branched North to Yorkshire. Prominent amongst the family at this time was Kellam of Nottingham. The surname Kellum contributed much to local politics and in the affairs of England or Scotland. During the 11th and 12th Centuries many of these families moved north to Scotland. Later, in the 16th ,17th and 18th centuries England was ravaged by Religious and political conflict. The monarchy, the church and Parliament fought for supremacy. Religious elements vied for Control, the state church, the Roman Church and the Reform Church. All, in their time, made demands on the rich and the poor Alike. They broke the spirit of men and many turned from religion , or alternatively , renewed their faith, pursuing with vigour And ferocity the letter of the ecclesiastical law. Many families were freely "encourged" to migrate to Ireland, or to the colonies. Nonbelievers or dissidents were banished , sometimes even hanged. The settlers in Ireland become known as the "adventures for land in Ireland". They under took to keep the protestant faith. There is no evidence that the family name migrated to Ireland, but this does not preclude the possibility of their scattered migration To that country. The democratic attitudes of the new world spread like wildfire. Many migrated aboard the fleet of sailing ships, known as the "white sails", the stormy Atlantic,small pox, dysentry,cholera, and typhoid took its toll an the settlers and many of these tiny, over crowded ships arrived with only 60 or 70% of their passenger lists The migration or banishment to the new world continued, some voluntarily from Ireland, but most directly from England or Scotland Their home territories. Some clans and families even moved to European continent. Richard Kellum 1st came to the colonies in 1643 on the ship Primrose.

Barbara: No problem. Do you have a fax number? This would make the whole process easier. E-mail me direct at rkilham@snet.net By the way, I don't think there is an Englishman who is not part Viking. Check out the origins of the Normans too. To save you time and trouble they were originally Danish. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bcarly19@aol.com> To: <KELLAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [KELLAM] More on spelling variations. > > Hello Rick, > > About the book, I was at the library yesterday and they do not think > the book is available, could you kindly forward the pages you mentioned to > us, it would be appreciated. Will enjoy reading the material. Thanks. > > Barbara Carlson (maybe more Viking than English) !! > > > ==== KELLAM Mailing List ==== > Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > It's a great place to add a copy of the obit or family history! >

Hello Rick, About the book, I was at the library yesterday and they do not think the book is available, could you kindly forward the pages you mentioned to us, it would be appreciated. Will enjoy reading the material. Thanks. Barbara Carlson (maybe more Viking than English) !!

Dear Rik I cannot be the only one who would like a copy of the relevant parts of this rather ancient book I noticed another 'Antiquities of Nottinghamshire' published and for sale of a more recent date,costing around £200. Would it be possible for you to enable the Kelham history part to be made available to list members because it will be well out of copyright now or am I presuming too much on your good nature. Hankyu for the original offer I would like to take advantage of it. Hankyu Dot R ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Kilham <rkilham@snet.net> To: <KELLAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [KELLAM] More on spelling variations. > Dot: > > "The Antiquities of Nottonghamshire" by Robert Thoroton is a three volume > set publish in England in 1790. I would say it is out of print but should > be available through your library. The areas of interest to you will be > found in volume three pages 113 - 120 which include a genealogical listing > of the Kelham family starting with Gilbert deKelham in 1086 and continuing > for 8 more generations. There is also a print of Kelham Hall in this same > volume. The last name is spelled Kelham, Kelum, Calum, and Chelum (this > showing the Norman influence of the time). If you have any problems > obtaining this work I will make a copy of the pages of interest and forward > it to you. By the way , it took me several years to get my hands on a copy > and it was expensive. > > Rick Kilham > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dot (by way of Robbintina Harrison <redbird@interaccess.com>) > <spl@redhotant.com> > To: <KELLAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 6:23 PM > Subject: [KELLAM] More on spelling variations. > > > > Dear Rick > > You mentioned a book by Robert Thoroton about Nottinghanshire and the > story > > of the Kelhams 1100-1500 Is it out of print or only gotable at a Library? > Is > > it more likely to be your side of the Pond or available in England? Is it > > Hugely expensive? because it sounds just the sort of thing my brother and > I > > would love to have a look at. > > Yours Dot R > > > > > > ==== KELLAM Mailing List ==== > > Posting back to the list helps the whole group, > > not just one person. If we > > work as a team, we'll succeed as a team. > > > > > ==== KELLAM Mailing List ==== > Posting back to the list helps the whole group, > not just one person. If we > work as a team, we'll succeed as a team. > Need the listowner? Contact Robbin - redbird@interaccess.com > >

Dot: "The Antiquities of Nottonghamshire" by Robert Thoroton is a three volume set publish in England in 1790. I would say it is out of print but should be available through your library. The areas of interest to you will be found in volume three pages 113 - 120 which include a genealogical listing of the Kelham family starting with Gilbert deKelham in 1086 and continuing for 8 more generations. There is also a print of Kelham Hall in this same volume. The last name is spelled Kelham, Kelum, Calum, and Chelum (this showing the Norman influence of the time). If you have any problems obtaining this work I will make a copy of the pages of interest and forward it to you. By the way , it took me several years to get my hands on a copy and it was expensive. Rick Kilham ----- Original Message ----- From: Dot (by way of Robbintina Harrison <redbird@interaccess.com>) <spl@redhotant.com> To: <KELLAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 6:23 PM Subject: [KELLAM] More on spelling variations. > Dear Rick > You mentioned a book by Robert Thoroton about Nottinghanshire and the story > of the Kelhams 1100-1500 Is it out of print or only gotable at a Library? Is > it more likely to be your side of the Pond or available in England? Is it > Hugely expensive? because it sounds just the sort of thing my brother and I > would love to have a look at. > Yours Dot R > > > ==== KELLAM Mailing List ==== > Posting back to the list helps the whole group, > not just one person. If we > work as a team, we'll succeed as a team. >

Dear Rick You mentioned a book by Robert Thoroton about Nottinghanshire and the story of the Kelhams 1100-1500 Is it out of print or only gotable at a Library? Is it more likely to be your side of the Pond or available in England? Is it Hugely expensive? because it sounds just the sort of thing my brother and I would love to have a look at. Yours Dot R

Alexander, Could you please tell me where Clay Co. FL vacinity was during that time frame ? I may be able to help on this one. Brenda Kellam Schilling -----Original Message----- From: Robbintina Harrison <redbird@interaccess.com> To: KELLAM-L@rootsweb.com <KELLAM-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: [KELLAM] Kellum and Virginia >>Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:17:26 -0700 >>From: "askellum" <askellum@email.msn.com> >>To: <KELLAM-L@rootsweb.com> >>X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list >>Subject: {not a subscriber} Kellum and Virginia >> >>Has anyone come across James W. Kellum b. 12 Jan 1815 in Virginia. He >>married Eliza Tyner b. 1825 in Georgia, on or about 8 Aug 1838. The >>marriage was recorded in Clay county, Florida. >>Anyone have any good prospects for same. >>Thank you, >>Alexander > > >==== KELLAM Mailing List ==== >Accidentally unsubscribed from the Kellam list? Simply resubscribe. A >full mailbox, computer error, or spam may cause you to be unsubscribed. >mailto: Kellam-l-request@rootsweb.com >

Hi, I'm a new subscriber. I would like to find out more information about a MALINDA KELLAM born c.1827 in Indiana. She married Samuel Seybold around 1849 and had the following children: Roseanne Seybold and George Washington Seybold. She died around 1853 in Orange County, Indiana. My line connects to Roseann Seybold and her husband James S. Underhill. Kate

Hello Alexander, Can't help you yet with your problem, but I am searching Elizabeth Rachel Kellum born abt. 1872 in Illinois, her father born in Ohio so says 1920 census in Franklin County, Iowa. She had a son William Kellum VanNote in 1900, a daughter Bessie Jane b.in 1897 and a daughter Nora born abt. 1895. Her husband's name was George S. VanNote. Both are buried in Steamboat Rock, IA. cemetery. Have you come across any of these names, esp. Elizabeth ( Lizzie) Kellum? Regards, Barbara

Hello Rick, Thanks again for the Kellum ( in my case) reference, I will order it from the library, much appreciated. Keep sending your information. Barbara

Hello List, I am trying to find the origin of two Killum/Kellam sisters. They are Nancy and Elizabeth Kellam/Killum who are from MD and married two Maffet brothers, William and Thomas. The sisters were born in 1781 and 1786 respectfully, and moved to Harrison Co., KY. Hoping someone out there researching Kellams may be able to identify the family these two Kellam sisters may have come from. Thanks to anyone out there that can give me some leads to identify the family of these sisters.(:-) Sincerely, David Anderson

>Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 07:17:26 -0700 >From: "askellum" <askellum@email.msn.com> >To: <KELLAM-L@rootsweb.com> >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list >Subject: {not a subscriber} Kellum and Virginia > >Has anyone come across James W. Kellum b. 12 Jan 1815 in Virginia. He >married Eliza Tyner b. 1825 in Georgia, on or about 8 Aug 1838. The >marriage was recorded in Clay county, Florida. >Anyone have any good prospects for same. >Thank you, >Alexander