Cindy, Do you have the page ref on K&AF for this? I can look at it & see what exactly it does say. Sherry In a message dated 11/15/2005, [email protected] writes: A couple years back someone emailed me stating that Samuel was the son of George Keim (b. ca 1733), based on data from the Dec 1889 issue of Keim & Allied Families. I don't have access to K & AF so have not been able to read exactly what was written. Perhaps someone will followup on this.