So we're all on the same page then, the referred to JOHN PETER KEIM is: possibly the grandson of The American Founder Johannes Hans Keim; thru his possible son Johannes Peter Keim; to his possible son JOHANN PETER KEIM (b 1743/45) <- THIS ONE. His son then is the Nicholas Keim (b 1768 - d 1830) who married 3 times (Stutzman, Hostetler & Eash/Ash). Recognizing that the 2 above possible ancestors of Johann Peter Keim (b 1743/45) is definitely in question, is this the correct one? And is that what you're trying to establish, if at all possible - the origins of JOHN PETER KEIM (b 1743/45)? Sherry in Colorado In a message dated 3/26/2006, [email protected] writes: Perhaps this statement better identifies WHICH John Peter Keim we're going to be discussing: John Peter Keim, father of Nicholas Keim, was born 1745. [Nicholas Keim, b. 1768]