An old query from Mar 1997 states: Alfred KIME-RYAN: A real mystery family! We have a Bible record showing the names, birth, marriage records of the Kime family who lived in Vernon Co MO at the beginning of the Civil War. Alfred KIME(s) married 12 Aug 1858 in Vernon Co MO to Leanner (Leanora), dau of William BETHELL and Margaret BRUCE. For some unknown reason, the entire family started using the name of RYAN between 1860/1870, and this name continued even through their relocation to Indian Territory in 1892 and deaths in Oklahoma. Does anyone know any possible reason for this change of names? When Alfred KIME married Leanner BETHELL, he had other children; (no sex indicated in bible records); C. E. (b/7 Jan 1852); W. R. (b/8 Sep 1854); and S. L. (b/2 Apr 1856). Alfred and Leanner's children were; Theadoshe Francis RYAN (b/24 Jul 1860); Margaret Ellen RYAN (b/30 May 1862); Averiler Easan RYAN (b/1 Dec 1865); and Nora Belle RYAN (b/12 Jun 1871). Nora Belle is the only member of this family that we have further information on; she married Perry Davis Lewellen. _________________________ This isn't my line, but mysteries always intrigue me so I looked for Alfred Ryan on the 1900 census where a descendant says he was living and found he and Leanora in Indian Territory (later Oklahoma) in the Cherokee Nation section: Ryan, Alfred Head W M Nov1825 74 M42 Tenn Vir Ind Leanora Wife W F Jul1836 63 M42 4/1 Tenn Tenn Tenn From the census we note Nora Belle was the only child of Leanora's still living (4/1). Perhaps the other three children died young. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

there are several reasons why one would change their name. they owed debts they couldn't pay so changed to another family name, there was a death in the family and all children were given to another family and their names were changed to that last name, feud took place among family so they disowned each other and changed their name. there were cases where an adoption took place when the eldest mentioned may have lost parents then he found out later what his real name was and took that name on. who knows? >From: Cindy Kimes <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [KEIM] Alfred KIME-RYAN; a real mystery family! >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:13:42 -0800 (PST) > >An old query from Mar 1997 states: > >Alfred KIME-RYAN: A real mystery family! We have a Bible record >showing the names, birth, marriage records of the Kime family who >lived in Vernon Co MO at the beginning of the Civil War. Alfred >KIME(s) married 12 Aug 1858 in Vernon Co MO to Leanner (Leanora), dau >of William BETHELL and Margaret BRUCE. For some unknown reason, the >entire family started using the name of RYAN between 1860/1870, and >this name continued even through their relocation to Indian Territory >in 1892 and deaths in Oklahoma. Does anyone know any possible reason >for this change of names? When Alfred KIME married Leanner BETHELL, >he had other children; (no sex indicated in bible records); C. E. >(b/7 Jan 1852); W. R. (b/8 Sep 1854); and S. L. (b/2 Apr 1856). >Alfred and Leanner's children were; Theadoshe Francis RYAN (b/24 Jul >1860); Margaret Ellen RYAN (b/30 May 1862); Averiler Easan RYAN (b/1 >Dec 1865); and Nora Belle RYAN (b/12 Jun 1871). Nora Belle is the >only member of this family that we have further information on; she >married Perry Davis Lewellen. >_________________________ > >This isn't my line, but mysteries always intrigue me so I looked for >Alfred Ryan on the 1900 census where a descendant says he was living >and found he and Leanora in Indian Territory (later Oklahoma) in the >Cherokee Nation section: > >Ryan, Alfred Head W M Nov1825 74 M42 Tenn Vir Ind > Leanora Wife W F Jul1836 63 M42 4/1 Tenn Tenn Tenn > > >From the census we note Nora Belle was the only child of Leanora's >still living (4/1). Perhaps the other three children died young. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >==== KEIM Mailing List ==== >For suggestions on where to post queries, go to: >http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/queries.html#Q2 > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Does anyone know of an Alfred KIME, b. Nov 1825 in Tennessee? Cindy Kimes <[email protected]> wrote: > >This isn't my line, but mysteries always intrigue me so I looked for >Alfred Ryan on the 1900 census where a descendant says he was living >and found he and Leanora in Indian Territory (later Oklahoma) in the >Cherokee Nation section: > >Ryan, Alfred Head W M Nov1825 74 M42 Tenn Vir Ind > Leanora Wife W F Jul1836 63 M42 4/1 Tenn Tenn Tenn > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com