This is my line Jacob Keim b 1798 PA d 1879 PA, m Christina Saylor Jacob J Keim b 1831 PA d 1914 MO, m Elizabeth Louisa Buzzard Sylvester B Keim b 1857 IN d 1929 KS, m Mary Ann James Stanley D Keim b 1892 MO d 1926 KS, m Flora Ane Busby Julia Kathryn Keim b 1921, m Alvin B Fields Louise Fields-Cosar, me **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

This is my line: John Peter Keim 1734---1787 Nicholas Keim Sr. 1768--1830 & his first wife Jacob Keim 1798--1879 David Keim 1832--1915 Dennis Keim 1857--1941 William Walter Keim 1888--1934 Darrell Alva Keim 1913--1995 Larry Dean Keim (my husband) Any cousin's down this line? e-mail me at: marilyn@keimtime.com

In Issue 4 of "Keim & Allied Families in America and Europe" (K & AF), Othniel Keim related George's ancestry: George, b. 1753, son of Johannes, b. ca 1732, son of Johannes, b. 1711 He added that Johannes, b. ca 1732, had four sons - George (eldest), John, Peter, and Stephen. ____________________________________ According to Othniel... Johannes (b. ca 1732) broke tradition of naming first born son Johannes. This seems somewhat strange for the time period. Secondly, in the lineage, both Johanneses would have married and had their first son (not first child necessarily) by age 21. This was also somewhat unusual for that time in history. George's full names is listed several times as Hans George Keim. Looking at the founder's family, we see the first son was named Johannes, the "es" indicating son of Johann. and Hans was used in various forms in other sons' names: Johan Stophel Keim Hans Nickel Keim Johann Jacob Keim Johann Conrad Keim Instead of the above lineage, I have to wonder if the George that married Catharine Schenkel wasn't a son of Johannes, b. 1711, and likely had an older brother named Johannes. Somewhere in genealogical standards I've read to figure an average of three generations per century. That figures b. 1711, 1744, 1777, then 1811. Comments?? Thoughts??? Cindy Kimes <cindykimes@yahoo.com> wrote: Some researchers state George's father was John Keim, eldest son of Johannes Keim, patriarch of the Oley KEIMs. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Hello! I know that I posted this a couple of years ago, but since we may have new people who have not seen it and since we are discussing naming issues, I wanted to mention this site that was very helpful to me: http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm It specifically deals with the whole Johannes/Johann/Hans issue. Hope it helps! Sincerely, Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: keim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:keim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cindy Kimes Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:49 AM To: keim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KEIM] George Keim+Catharine Schenkel of Chester co., Pa. In Issue 4 of "Keim & Allied Families in America and Europe" (K & AF), Othniel Keim related George's ancestry: George, b. 1753, son of Johannes, b. ca 1732, son of Johannes, b. 1711 He added that Johannes, b. ca 1732, had four sons - George (eldest), John, Peter, and Stephen. ____________________________________ According to Othniel... Johannes (b. ca 1732) broke tradition of naming first born son Johannes. This seems somewhat strange for the time period. Secondly, in the lineage, both Johanneses would have married and had their first son (not first child necessarily) by age 21. This was also somewhat unusual for that time in history. George's full names is listed several times as Hans George Keim. Looking at the founder's family, we see the first son was named Johannes, the "es" indicating son of Johann. and Hans was used in various forms in other sons' names: Johan Stophel Keim Hans Nickel Keim Johann Jacob Keim Johann Conrad Keim Instead of the above lineage, I have to wonder if the George that married Catharine Schenkel wasn't a son of Johannes, b. 1711, and likely had an older brother named Johannes. Somewhere in genealogical standards I've read to figure an average of three generations per century. That figures b. 1711, 1744, 1777, then 1811. Comments?? Thoughts??? Cindy Kimes <cindykimes@yahoo.com> wrote: Some researchers state George's father was John Keim, eldest son of Johannes Keim, patriarch of the Oley KEIMs. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KEIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a comment on the standard?generation?of 30 yrs, which is the accepted norm.?Recognize it's an average, which means several generations were used, then?averaged together to make the 30 yr standard. That standard is highly dependent on age when married & age of parents at birth of first child. In my specific family lines, over the past 5 generations (up to & including my own), the average comes out to be closer to 25 yrs (my ancestors married & reproduced?young obviously). But if you look at the generations following mine (my children, nieces, nephews & their offspring), they're tending toward lengthening generation years, due to the fact that people are waiting longer to get married & start having children. I think this trend bears out in the general population. There's another tendency that genealogists need to keep in mind.?The number of generation years change when you consider that people are having fewer children, and in many cases those children are quite a few years apart. In my generation, all 20 grandchildren of my paternal grandparents were born within a 9 year span, so we were all fairly close in age. However, my parents' 10 grandchildren were born over a 22 year span, and my own grandchildren will be an even larger span, since my eldest grandchild is 24 yrs old now & my son is?32 & just now getting married & they plan to have children but not immediately. In my family of origin, the generations severely overlap. My son is closer to his nephew & nieces' ages than his sister's age.?My sister's last daughter is younger than?her first grandson. This skews how you look for them generationally. It would be easy to assume that my niece & grand-nephew are in the same generation, when they're actually 2 different generations, and! even tho he's the older, she's a generation prior to him. This same thing occurred in the past when people had many children over many years. Sometimes this occurred when there were multiple marriages with children born in several of the marriages. I suspect we'll see it even more pronounced as we go forward generationally. Often the oldest & youngest child were/are as many as 20+?years apart. Birth position within the family of origin makes a big difference. I mention these thoughts cuz I've been led astray by drawing conclusions too quickly based on generation calculations. Use it as a basis but recognize there are many variables that could throw it off, so keep an open mind. Sherry in Colorado -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Kimes <cindykimes@yahoo.com> Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 8:49 am Subject: Re: [KEIM] George Keim+Catharine Schenkel of Chester co., Pa. Somewhere in genealogical standards I've read to figure an average of three generations per century. That figures b. 1711, 1744, 1777, then 1811.