Willy, Thanks for your information. I've got some for you, if you want it, regarding Herbert's ancestors. Just let me know. I have some questions that you might be able to answer. If you would. Why were Herbert and Mabel buried in Mt. Pleasant instead of Neff? Did Mabel ever marry? What do you know about Vance and Mattie? What do you know about Vance's parents, George and Elizabeth? Was the Edward you wrote about Herbert's brother? Who was Boyd Kimes' parents? Thanks! For those on the list that have not been following this, these questions are about descendants of Elias Kimes of Meigs, Co. OH. Bill Bojanowski