Nicolaus Keim died Aug. 25, 1802. His age at death is list as 82 yrs. 4 mo. and 23 days. His birth has always been listed as 02 April 1719, but when I used my birth calculator, Nicolaus's birthdate figured out to 02 April 1720. Is this because of the double dates thing? Can someone explain what the "double dates" refers to?

In a message dated 11/24/00 10:01:25 PM !!!First Boot!!!, KEIM-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3599.htm >> this site also had 16 Kimes and 2 Kiem notes. Dora

Following information rec'd from current owner: Dear Cindy: This is perhaps going to be an odd message in that I am not in any way related to the Keim family. However, my family and I recently moved into an old stone farmhouse in Berks county which I have found to have been in the Keim family at one time. In fact, I believe the Benneville Keim you have mentioned in a message to rootsweb dated April 2000. In any case, the particular Benneville Keim you are speaking of (and there are a number with the same name) was born in 1809 in Pike township and died in 1873 in Rockland township. He had two daughters Susan who was married to Moses Everhard (Everhart) and Emma married to John Y. Shade. When Benneville died his property went to his surviving wife(he had two, one Margaret and the other Rebecca) until she died in 1894, at which time it reverted to the two daughters. John Y. Shade with his wife Emma (Keim) purchased the sister's share from Moses and Susan (Keim) Everhart in 1895. This I would note is a different property from the one your message talks about which is not far from my home, but I am certain it is the same Benneville. They owned a lot of land in the area over time through various members of the family and with marriages. Benneville Keim's father would seem to have been a George Keim senior from whom he bought the property in 1858 shortly before his father's death in 1859. George Keim's wife was named Susannah. I know there were a number of other children including a George M. Keim, William Keim among probably 5 others but have not yet had an opportunity to sort out further yet. _______________________ Most of the information I've gotten has been by tracking back the deed to the property and then checking out those wills that are on file in Reading. Both George Senior and Benneville are on file there. Benneville was one of the executors for George though it doesn't appear Benneville receives anything through the will directly. However it seems the purchase of the property prior to his fathers death is in part set up to provide him some inheritance. I'm told this sometimes happened, that is, selling out at least part prior to death with some early distribution. Maybe it was so Benneville would be a more neutral executor? Interestingly, it took some twenty years before the whole will thing was closed. As far as the second wife, etc. one is mentioned in the will the other in the deed by reference. Also, the children were baptized at the church in Lobachsville with mention of parents. George Keim and his wife were god parents. I believe that Rebecca was the first wife, had one daughter, and then died. Benneville remarried and they had a daughter. I'll have to dig up my files to get a last name for Margaret and dates. I am not certain where any of the various family members are buried, but haven't looked yet. If you would like to share this info, it is fine with me. I've found the messages there interesting and sometimes helpful for my search. I am still interested in filling in some blank spots on the family as relates to my home. I've found every shred of information helps with the puzzle. I would note that I did not see all of the letters related to the property about Moses Everhard you noted in your message, but I do not think it is this house (my home). I suspect it is one nearby as I mentioned earlier, but would be interested to know more precisely what property the letters spoke of. There are some old time local people who have a lot of information in their heads who can sometimes be useful. _______________________ Keeping in mind I've been researching the home ownership more than the family per se, I've only been aware of three children of Benneville, the two daughters mentioned and a son. The son was named, if I remember correctly, Jeseriah or some variation of that and because I haven't found any other reference I assumed he died at a young age. Also if I recall correctly the baptismal records at St. Pauls Lutheran in Lobachsville show different mothers for the two girls. I am now rather interested in delving a bit further into the family. Carl NOTE: Carl is NOT a subscriber to this list, but any add'l information may be posted to the list, or send it to me and I'll forward the data to him. Cindy

Don Kimes wrote 7 Nov: > > Jacob and his wife sold land in 1822. I never found when they > bought it, maybe they homesteaded it or as part of a land grant. > Brousing through the info on the Meigs Co, OH site, I found the above item and ran across another listing related to land - dated earlier: Jan 14, 1819. A John Kimes was listed as one of the trustees. See --> http://genealogy.org/~baf/deeds/deed_index.html#K Has another seen this document? What does it mean...... Abraham Kimes was leasing the land OR the trustees were leasing land that belonged to Abraham Kimes?

And in reference to researching Meigs Co, OH, hope all of you have discovered the index to all the names mentioned in the various pages on the website. LOTS OF KIMES!!!! See--> http://genealogy.org/~baf/index/index.html

montebobbi wrote in Aug: > > Has anyone noted that there are several Keim notes from publications > and family notes re: > > 3 brothers who emigrated from Germany > A chest or trunk from Germany > "Interest $" and "Inheritance $" from Germany and how it was "lost" > A "Tanner" and a "finisher of fine leather" > Millwrights and Lumberman > Two marriages one in Germany the other in PA > A John/Johannes/ "Hans" who with his German wife had 6 children > and 10 children with his PA wife > > There are different slants, dates vary by about 100 years and the > brothers names, the second wife and children's names vary. Does > anyone have any hunch as to why or who has explored the similarities? > > Two marriages one in Germany the other in PA > A John/Johannes/ "Hans" who with his German wife had 6 children > and 10 children with his PA wife Don't know about the 100-year varying dates, but I can answer the latter part. Most of the above describes the immigrant, Johannes (Hans) Keim and most descendants accept the following dates for Johannes's family: Descendants of Johannes (Hans) Keim 1 Johannes (Hans) Keim b: ca 1675 near Speyer, Germany d: 1753 Oley Twp, Berks Co, PA .. +Katarina ? b: Germany m: 15 September 1706 Speier, Germany d: 1730 PA ... 2 Katarina KEIM b: 29 September 1708 Oley Twp, Philadelphia Co, PA d: 08 May 1793 Oley Twp, Berks Co, PA ....... +John Henry Schneider b: ca 1706 ... 2 Johannes Keim b: 04 March 1711 Oley, Philadelphia Co, PA d: 10 October 1782 ....... +Catharine STUMP b: 1711 m: 1732 ... 2 Stophel KEIM b: 28 March 1717 Oley, Philadelphia Co, PA ....... +Juliana [Weaver?] m: 1737 ... 2 Hans Nickel KEIM b: 02 April 1719 Oley Twp, Philadelphia Co, PA d: 23 August 1802 Reading, Berks Co, PA ....... +Barbara SCHNEIDER b: 02 October 1727 Oley Twp, Philadelphia Co, PA m: 24 March 1746 Oley, Philadelphia Co, PA d: 08 June 1788 Reading, Berks Co, PA ... 2 Elizabeth KEIM b: February 1723 Oley Valley, Berks Co, PA d: Bef. 1762 Frederick Co, MD ....... +Christian HUFFORD b: 05 January 1716 Schwaigern, Neckar, Wurttemburg, Germany m: 1745 d: ca October 1788 Monacacy Manor, Frederick Co, MD ... 2 Jacob Keim b: 24 October 1724 Oley Twp, Philadelphia Co, PA d: 18 October 1799 Rockland Twp, Berks Co, PA ....... +Maria Magdalena Hoch b: 02 December 1730 Maiden Creek Twp, Philadelphia Co, PA m: October 1746 d: 21 April 1804 Lobachville, Berks Co, PA *2nd Wife of Johannes (Hans) Keim: .. +Maria Elizabeth BOLLER(in) b: 1713 m: 25 March 1731 Oley Twp, PA ... 2 Heinrich Keim b: 27 April 1732 Oley, PA d: July 1802 Bath Co, VA ....... +Anna Catarina Reiber m: 25 October 1767 Bethel, Berks Co, PA d: December 1805 Bath Co, VA ... 2 George KEIM b: ca August 1733 Oley Valley, PA d: Bet. 12 May 1812 - 07 August 1813 ... *Wives of George KEIM: ....... +Elizabeth Musselman ....... +Elizabeth Gheer (order unknown) ... 2 Conrad Keim b: 03 December 1734 Oley, Philadelphia Co, PA d: 1776 Eastern District, near Oley Furnace, Berks Co, PA ....... +Anna Maria // b: ca 1736 m: Berks Co, PA d: Aft. 1783 ... 2 Maria KEIM b: November 1734 Oley Valley, Philadelphia (now Berks) Co, PA d: Bef. 12 March 1803 Berks Co, PA ....... +Jacob Yoder b: 1735 Oley Valley, Berks Co, PA d: Bet. 12 March 1803 - 14 March 1804 Berks Co, PA ... 2 Barbara KEIM b: February 1736 d: ca 1795 ....... +Michael WITMAN b: ca 1736 m: ca 1758 d: Aft. 24 February 1786 ... 2 Susannah KEIM b: 25 December 1739 Oley Twp, Berks Co, PA d: 12 May 1809 ....... +John Frederick von Hoof b: 08 July 1734 Zweibruchen, Germany m: 25 October 1757 d: 26 April 1818 ... 2 // Keim ... 2 // Keim ... 2 // Keim ... 2 // Keim Name variations are due to: Errors in hearing the name. Errors in spelling the name. Name changes by family members. Name changes by descendants writing family history. Descendants often listed their ancestors by the names they were known by, not the name by which they were christened. In this particular family, many of the sons were given the same name for what we call the first name. Some list the sons in this family as: Johannes Keim, the first-born son Johannes Stophel KEIM Johannes Nickel KEIM or Hans Nickel KEIM Johannes Jacob Keim Johannes Heinrich Keim Johannes Conrad Keim or Hans Conrad Keim Johannes George KEIM or Hans George Keim Johann is the same as Johannes, although sometimes the "es" at the end is used for one who is the son of Johann. Hans is short for Johannes. Questions? Fire away! That's what this list is for...... discussion!

Trying to place the Jacob Kimes that served in the Illinois Infantry during Civil War. He was living in Warren Co, IL ca 1860, but died ca 1891 probably in Brown Co, KS. His wife, Mary, survived him. The only other KIMES I've found with a Warren Co, IL connection is a Cyrena Kimes who married a James Larkin on 12 Sept 1871 in that county. Anyone connected?

What is the connection between the Lucinda Larkins and the John Kimes listed at: http://searches1.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/archives/oh/meigs/cemeteries/chester.txt I have a Lucinda KIMES married to an Edwin Larkins, 17 July 1862 in Meigs Co, OH and this same Lucinda, a dau. of John Kimes and Elizabeth Willbarger. Who knows more?

There are 68 mentions of KEIM and 12 of KIME Sent by Glenda on the SPOON list: American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI) Greetings! The following link is from Ancestry.com and is free until Dec. 1, 2000. http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3599.htm AGBI is an index to individuals appearing in family histories and other genealogical works, and researchers are encouraged to locate and examine the material from which the database was created. One of the most important genealogical collections, the American Genealogical-Biographical Index, or AGBI, is the equivalent of more than 200 printed volumes. This database contains millions of records of people whose names have appeared in printed genealogical records and family histories. With data from sources largely from the last century, each entry contains the person's complete name, the year of the biography's publication, the person's state of birth (if known), abbreviated biographical data, and the book and page number of the original reference. In addition to family histories, other genealogical collections are indexed. These include the Boston Transcript (a genealogical column widely circulated), the complete 1790 U.S. Federal Census, and published Revolutionary War records. The most recent update to this database reflects the inclusion of volumes 196-206. For researchers of American ancestors, this can be one of the most valuable databases available at Ancestry.com. Most of the works referenced in the AGBI are housed at the Godfrey Memorial Library in Connecticut. A photocopy service is available. Please contact Godfrey Memorial Library at 134 Newfield St, Middletown, CT 06457 or via e-mail at referenceinfo@godfrey.org to make use of this service.

Will some interested party take a look at the family listed at http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=gedfam&ti=0&f0=66726&f1=1719 It appears to be the family listed below, but I've not seen Christian's 1st wife listed as Elizabeth Byers???? Descendants of Christian KEIM 1 Christian KEIM b: 11 April 1812 Somerset Co, PA d: 20 December 1900 Jenner Twp, Somerset Co, PA . +Elizabeth Boyer b: 1809 m: 1841 Somerset Co, PA d: 1847 ... 2 John KEIM b: 1841 Somerset Co, PA d: 1919 ... 2 Jacob KEIM b: 16 April 1843 Somerset Co, PA d: 07 September 1916 Somerset Co, PA ...... +Isabella Geiger b: 07 July 1844 Stoystown, Somerset Co, PA m: 23 February 1867 Somerset Co, PA d: 25 March 1913 Jenner Twp, Somerset Co, PA ... 2 Mary KEIM b: 06 June 1846 Somerset Co, PA d: 09 September 1911 ...... +John Gashaw m: 1869 *2nd Wife of Christian KEIM: . +Anna Magdalena LEHMAN b: ca 1823 m: Aft. 1847 d: 29 August 1906 ... 2 Daniel KEIM b: 1849 d: 1906 ...... +Sarah Mumaw ... 2 Noah KEIM b: 30 March 1851 Somerset Co, PA d: 20 October 1936 ... 2 Lydia KEIM b: 1853 Somerset Co, PA d: 1923 ...... +// Weaver ... 2 Samuel KEIM b: 1854 Jenner Twp, Somerset Co, PA d: 1932 ...... +Mary Blough ... 2 Josiah J. KEIM b: 1856 Somerset Co, PA d: 1939 ...... +Susanna ? b: 15 August 1857 d: 07 January 1909 ... 2 Annie KEIM b: 1858 d: 1930 ...... +// Barkley ... 2 Peter KEIM b: 1860 Somerset Co, PA d: 1863 ... 2 Mahlon KEIM b: 1863 Somerset Co, PA d: 1936 ... 2 Elizabeth KEIM b: 13 February 1865 Somerset Co, PA ...... +Hiram Lint d: 23 May 1933

Cindy wrote: > > Also free to search until 11/30/2000, Falckner Swamp Reformed > Congregation (Montgomery Co, PA) church records for 1748-1854. > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4910.htm > Does anyone recognize the Elias, John, and Elizabeth Keim listed in this database?

Henry Valentine Kimes was born the 5th of December, 1875 in Armada, Crawford County, Arkansas. He married 1) Alice M. Antel the 19th or the 21st of February, 1897 in Crawford County, Arkansas. She was born in 1878. They had no children before her death. He married 2) Edna Fitzsimons the 12th of October, 1912 in Fresno, Fresno County, California. She was born the 10th of February, 1892 in Fort Dodge, Iowa to Edmond Fitzsimons and Elnora Bramley. Henry lived most of his adult life in Fresno, California. He worked at the Sugar Pine, California Mill and Logging Company in the mountains near Yosemite Valley and Bass Lake with Joseph Leander Kimes, his brother, in the early 1930’s. Henry died the 3rd of March, 1965 in Fresno, Fresno County, California. Edna died of cancer the 10th of August, 1962 in Fresno, Fresno County, California. Henry is buried in Fresno, Fresno County, California. Edna is buried at the Odd Fellows Cemetery, Fresno, Fresno County, California. They had three children: Velma Mae, Elva Juanita, and Loran Henry. Please note that Edna's maiden name is spelled with only one M, Fitzsimons. This is according to Elva, their daughter. Susan Gene Kimes wrote: > > Hi All > Henry Valentine Kimes, 1875-1965 married Alice M Antell Feb 21, 1897. > I list no children, He married Edna Fitzsimmons Oct 12, 1912 and I list > three children, Velma, Elva and Loran Henry Kimes > > Gene Kimes > > ==== KEIM Mailing List ==== > Please consider sharing some of your ancestry with us. If you want to > remain anonymous, send the data to Cindy <ckimes@mvillage.com> or Diana > <ddavis@logicsouth.com>.

--part1_a2.c59fc85.274afe5d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/20/00 1:24:36 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ckimes@mvillage.com writes: I find most of Descendants of Valentine Keim in Maiden Creek, Perry, Ontelaunee and Windsor Twps.. I am pretty sure he is of Valentine, took me many years to seperate Valentine Keims descendant from Johannes Keim of Oley Valley. I think they must be related as named some children alike and Valentine married Mary Delaplank d/o the first Doctor in Berks Co. and the Delaplanks lived in the Oley Valley, also remember Valentine Keim was the Immigrant of his clan Sylvia --part1_a2.c59fc85.274afe5d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <KEIM-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) by air-yd05.mail.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:24:35 -0500 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.19) with ESMTP; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:24:17 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id eAK1Now24778; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:23:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:23:50 -0800 X-Original-Sender: ckimes@mvillage.com Sun Nov 19 17:23:49 2000 Message-ID: <3A187D5F.9ED4A571@mvillage.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:24:47 -0500 From: Cindy <ckimes@mvillage.com> Organization: KEIM Surname list hosted by RootsWeb X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: KEIM-L@rootsweb.com References: <3A17DB8A.B5803C55@mvillage.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [KEIM] Re: Kime in 1850 Berks Co, PA Resent-Message-ID: <9fKJT.A.8CG.l0HG6@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: KEIM-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: KEIM-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: KEIM-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <KEIM-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/4398 X-Loop: KEIM-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: KEIM-L-request@rootsweb.com Christina Humphreys wrote: > > 1850 Berks Co. census: > > Ontelaunee Twp., p. 188, dwelling 134, family 134: > John Kime, 52, m., laborer, b. PA > Catharine, 51, f., b. PA > Mary, 11, f., b. PA, attended school within the year Which John was this? I couldn't find one John and Catharine in Johannes Keim's descendants to fit this info! Were these folks connected to Valentine's line from Maidencreek Twp???? Cindy ==== KEIM Mailing List ==== Please consider sharing some of your ancestry with us. If you want to remain anonymous, send the data to Cindy <ckimes@mvillage.com> or Diana <ddavis@logicsouth.com>. --part1_a2.c59fc85.274afe5d_boundary--

Hi All Henry Valentine Kimes, 1875-1965 married Alice M Antell Feb 21, 1897. I list no children, He married Edna Fitzsimmons Oct 12, 1912 and I list three children, Velma, Elva and Loran Henry Kimes Gene Kimes

Also free to search until 11/30/2000, Falckner Swamp Reformed Congregation (Montgomery Co, PA) church records for 1748-1854. Eight KEIMs listed. To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4910.htm

Cindy wrote: > > ARKANSAS MARRIAGES, 1851-1900 > Free to search until 11/30/2000 > There are 17 KIMESes listed! > > To search this database, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4383.htm > There is a Henry V. Kimes listed, but not married to Edna Fitzsimons. Is this the same Henry and he married a second time?

ARKANSAS MARRIAGES, 1851-1900 Free to search until 11/30/2000 There are 17 KIMESes listed! To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4383.htm

Please, respond to the address below ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emil Mitchell and Jeri [Gresso] Mitchell" <Pebbledrv@excite.com> ======================== > Source: GC-Elkhart Co. In Query Forum > URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/In/Elkhart/1442 > Subject: Surname Search > > > Surname: Gresso, Stauffer, Burkett, Burkhardt, Richmond, Masters, Hess, > Mitchell, Kime > ------------------------- > > Am looking for family history names circa 1850 onward. > Masters married Hess > Mitchell married Kime > Mitchell married Masters > Stauffer married Gresso > Mitchell married Gresso >

Christina Humphreys wrote: > > 1850 Berks Co. census: > > Ontelaunee Twp., p. 188, dwelling 134, family 134: > John Kime, 52, m., laborer, b. PA > Catharine, 51, f., b. PA > Mary, 11, f., b. PA, attended school within the year Which John was this? I couldn't find one John and Catharine in Johannes Keim's descendants to fit this info! Were these folks connected to Valentine's line from Maidencreek Twp???? Cindy

Anyone know if these two families are the same family: Descendants of John Keim 1 John Keim b: ca 1804 West Pikeland Twp, Chester Co, PA d: 03 December 1879 . +Catherine ? d: 30 August 1879 ... 2 Sarah Keim b: ca 1834 ... 2 James Keim b: ca 1839 ... 2 Elizabeth Keim b: ca 1844 Descendants of John Kimes 1 John Kimes b: 05 December 1803 East Nantmeal, Chester Co, PA d: 11 October 1879 Lawrenceville (now Parker Ford) . +Catharine Orner b: 01 February 1805 ... 2 Davis Kimes b: 15 January 1829 East Pikeland, Chester Co, PA ... 2 Levi Kime b: 17 October 1830 Pikeland Twp, Chester Co, PA ... 2 Sarah Kimes b: 21 June 1833 Pikeland Twp, Chester Co, PA ... 2 James Kime b: 07 March 1836 Valley Hill, Chester Co, PA ... 2 Elizabeth Kime b: 11 August 1843 Sugartown, Chester Co, PA These two families look so nearly alike; only a couple differences which could be errors in recording/reporting/etc. Cindy Kimes