I have a paper that says KAYLOR is believed to be associated with the German's, meaning "descendant of KAHL (bare, bold)". I don't pretend that this is correct, but worthy of passing on. At 05:36 AM 09/02/1999 -0700, you wrote: >According to my German-English dictionary the word >kohler refers to 'charcoal works', 'charcoal burner', >among others. I don't know if this meant that the >name as a surname came from an occupation within the >field of 'charcoal' or 'smelting'. I've been told >that it means 'smelter'. > >Ralph Koehler (Kohler) > > > >--- SwimBails@aol.com wrote: >> This is a great list! There is so much good >> information that I just snick it >> over to the wordprocessor. I hope that those >> presenting family data do not >> get discouraged from a lack of a quick response. As >> we progress in our >> searches, the ah,ha response may come later. >> >> There are so many helpful links provided, too! Wow! >> >> I understand that some of the variations of Kohler >> occurred as a result of >> Ellis Island personel, postal employees, >> anglicization, phonetic spelling, >> etc. I wonder if it also ocurred in transitions >> from old/middle/modern >> German. I was also curious to know what, if >> anything, Kohler means. Does it >> refer to, for example, a person who lived near a >> hill, etc? I know Keller >> means cellar as in root or wine cellars but beyond >> that my German fails me. >> I wish the language had been kept alive in our >> family but it wasn't...sigh! >> >> Jean >> >> >> ==== KOEHLER Mailing List ==== >> Rootsweb ~GIVES~ us so much. Please >> consider becoming a supporter. >> >> > > >=== >Ralph > >========================================================= >R.E. Koehler A bad day on the golf course is >Livonia, MI USA better than a good day at work! >========================================================= >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > >==== KOEHLER Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb <GIVES> us so much. Please consider becoming a supporter. > > > Mary Ann Kaylor makaylor@npwt.net

This message came through the KELLAR list today. Leslie ---------- > From: IrishLalor@aol.com > To: KELLAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KELLAR] Kellers of Strommbaum, Germany > > Hello fellow Germans! > > I do not have a lot of documentation on my Keller line so I will start with > the info. I know to be true. > > Albinus Keller, b. 1831 married Ursula Gasser, b. 1837. Both were born in > Strommbaum, Germany. One child is known, Conrad Albert Keller, b. 1855 who > married Augusta Mix, b. June 1861. I do not know when they came to America, > other than it was after my great grandmother was born in 1882. Their > children were: > Wilhemina Louise , b. 16 Feb 1882 m. Archibold Bowser (Il. City, Il.) > Ella Frances b. Mar 1883 > Reka Ursula b. Jul 1885 > Omer b. Feb 1893 > Olney b. Mar 1888 > > Any help would be appreciated and would love to find some cousins out there! > > Angela > Grand Rapids, Michigan

---------- > From: Gayla Dalton <LDGDALTO@ihc.com> > My brick wall is my great-great grandfather: > Emil Ludwig KELLER b. 01 Jan 1842, Hainichen, Saxony, Germany > Married to > Cathrina Regine (Dina)Christine KOHLBRAND b. 15 Jun 1849, Furstenau, > Hannover, Germany > > Emil desereted the Prussian Army and run away with Dina, who was 16 > years old. They went to England and were married, then on to Missouri, > in 1868, where they had the Jesse James gang working for them to clear > the land. They were drove out of Missouri as Germans were not liked > there. They went on to Nebraska where they homesteaded. In the 1890's > they moved on to Ogden, Utah where with their family they ran a farm and > meat markets. > Emil's uncle is Friedrich Gottlob KELLER, the inventor. He invented > the process of making paper from wood pulp. He also was from Hainichen, > Saxony. The town has a moument and a school named after him. I bought a > pamplet on Friedrich at the Rathaus in Hainichen, the parents of > Friedrich are listed who would be Emil's grandparents: > > Johann Israel KELLER and Johanna Julianne ENGELMANN > I cannot find Emil's parents. > He had 14 brothers and sisters, I do not know their names. > > Emil and Dina's children: > All born in USA > William Ludwig KELLER b. 17 Aug 1868 > Annie KELLER b. 1869 > Henry Ludwig KELLER b. 26 Apr 1871 > Fred Ludwig KELLER b. 04 Dec 1872 > Ida L. KELLER b. 08 May 1874 > Emil Ludwig KELLER 10 Sep 1875 > Anna KELLER b. 03 Jun 1877 > Charles Ludwig KELLER b. 28 Dec 1878 > Louis Ludwig KELLER b. 331 Mar 1880 > Emma KELLER b. 07 Oct 1881 > Alma June KELLER b. 10 Jun 1885 > > Thanks for any help, > > Gayla Keller Dalton > Kaysville, Utah > ==== KELLAR Mailing List ====

---------- > From: christina routt <ancestry@wcoil.com> > here is my brick wall. would love to connect with someone else from this > keller family.... > > Descendants of GEORG KELLER > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. GEORG1 KELLER was born Abt. 1790 in landau, Germany; and died > July 23, 1855 in landau, Germany. He married KATHARINA BARBARA > DORSCH March 22, 1816 in landau, Germany; > > Child of GEORG KELLER and KATHARINA DORSCH is: > 2. i. MICHAEL2 KELLER, b. March 01, 1819, hockenheim, Germany; d. > March 22, 1862, hockenheim, Germany; > > Generation No. 2 > > 2. MICHAEL2 KELLER (GEORG1) was born March 01, 1819 in hockenheim, > germany; 0, and died March 22, 1862 in hockenheim, germany; 0. He > married MARIA ANTONIA SIEBERT January 29, 1846 in hockenheim, germany; > Quality: 0. > > Children of MICHAEL KELLER and MARIA SIEBERT are: > 3. i. GEORGE MICHAEL3 KELLER, b. 1852, germany; 0; d. Y. > ii. PETER KELLER, b. 1853, hockenheim, germany; 0; d. 1927, 0. > > Generation No. 3 > > 3. GEORGE MICHAEL3 KELLER (MICHAEL2, GEORG1) was born 1852 in germany; > 0, and died in Y. He married ANNA MARIE GUENTHER. > > Children of GEORGE KELLER and ANNA GUENTHER are: > i. WILLIAM FERDINAND4 KELLER, b. May 09, 1889, allen co. ohio; 0; d. > December 21, 1941, 0; m. ELIZABETH FREDERICKA VORTCAMP. > ii. MINNIE FLORA KELLER, b. June 06, 1890, allen co ohio; 0; d. July > 16, 1891, allen co ohio; 0. > iii. BERTHA TRESSA KELLER, b. July 16, 1891, allen co ohio; 0; d. > August 02, 1973, allen co ohio; 0; m. LEE WILLIS SMITH. > iv. CLARA MARGARITE KELLER, b. January 20, 1893, allen co ohio; 0; d. > November 03, 1988, allen co ohio; 0; m. DALE WILLIAM CHENOWITH. > v. EMMA LOUISE KELLER, b. March 26, 1894, allen co ohio; 0; d. Y; m. > CHARLES E. PENFOLD, June 25, 1924, 0. > vi. AUGUST HENRY KELLER, b. March 20, 1895, allen co ohio; 0; d. > September 02, 1970, allen co ohio; 0; m. IRENE M DOWNEY. > vii. JACOB LOUIS KELLER, b. June 16, 1895, allen co ohio; 0; d. January > 13, 1999, california; 0; m. (1) BLANCHE KELLER; m. (2) BERTHA FRANCES > BASIGER, September 07, 1921, 0. > viii. LILLIAN ELIZABETH KELLER, b. December 11, 1897, allen co. lima, > ohio pennsylvania ave.; 0; d. July 23, 1992, allen co. lima ohio she was > 94 yrs old.; 0; m. ROY EVERETT GIERHART. > ix. LOUIS FREDRICK KELLER, b. April 20, 1899, allen co ohio; 0; d. > November 16, 1989, allen co ohio; 0; m. HAZEL KELLER. > x. LOUISA JOHANNA KELLER, b. February 28, 1901, allen co ohio; 0; d. > November 07, 1990, 0; m. WILLIAM GIRLIMAN. > xi. HELEN PAULINE KELLER, b. May 21, 1905, allen co ohio; 0; d. August > 11, 1983, allen co ohio; 0; m. RAYMOND(AIM) HEFFERN, September 03, 1927, > 0. > xii. ROBERT PAUL KELLER, b. May 21, 1905, 0; d. Y; m. DOROTHY KELLER. > xiii. ELMER JOSEPH KELLER, b. March 08, 1907, allen co ohio; 0; d. > March 29, 1918, allen co ohio; 0. > > Notes for ELMER JOSEPH KELLER: > ELMER JOSEPH KELLER: > elmer died at the age of 11 yrs old from a bursted appendex.

This one even mentions that the family is from Germany. ---------- > From: Glenn G. Geisheimer <germanic42@home.com> > To: KELLAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KELLAR] Brick Wall ~snip~ > My brick wall is > Mathus Keller. I don't know much about him other than he was married to > Sibilla Barbara Schanzin (the female form of Schanz or Schanze) and they > had a son, Johann Jakob Keller born on June 17, 1751 in Dobel, Germany. > > Of course I have a Brick Wall going the other way also. The next to last > Keller in my line is Jakob Friedrich Keller who was born in Dobel, Germany > on April 02, 1807. His daughter, Johanna Christiana Keller (born on June > 14, 1830 in Herrenalb), married Johann Jakob Joseph Graessle. Jakob > Friedrich Keller also had these children: > > Christiana Keller born April 22, 1823 > Christian Friedrich Keller born September 22, 1826 > Christiana Magdalena Keller born October 15, 1828 > Maria Christiana Friedrika Keller born April 08, 1834 > Magdalena Christiana Keller born August 28, 1836 > Friedrika Carolina Keller born August 08, 1839 > Unknown Christiana Keller born February 10, 1843 > > Thanks, > > Glenn G. Geisheimer germanic42@home.com

I'd not be at all surprised that this one was indeed KÖHLER since the married names appear to be Germanic. Leslie (Bridges) Kohler: Rootsweb List Owner for ~ MO-ABSTRACTS McMURRY TROTTER MOADAIR KOEHLER ---------- > From: Linda Carroll <lindacarroll@sprintmail.com> > To: KELLAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KELLAR] Brick Wall > Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 12:36 PM > > I've got a definite brick wall with my great great grandmother > Hester/Esther KELLER. She was born Dec 11, 1826 in York Co., PA. On > Aug. 8, 1847 she married my great great grandfather, Jacob Walter KOCHER > in L. Windsor Township, York Co., PA. Hester/Esther and Jacob moved to > a farm in Clark Co., Ohio in 1847. Then in 1861 they moved to Marshall > Co., IL. where she died on May 14, 1915. > > I've heard that Hester/Esther's parents were a Sophia OTTSTADT and > Samuel KELLER of York Co., PA. I have no proof of this. > > I would love to find out more about my great great grandmother. > > Linda Carroll > Wylie, TX > lindacarroll@sprintmail.com

We might all do well to check the URL below. Some of the KELLERs and KELLARs were originally KÖHLERs. (Last night, I saw CUELLAR somewhere too. Guess what that was originally. <G>) Leslie (Bridges) Kohler: Rootsweb List Owner for ~ MO-ABSTRACTS McMURRY TROTTER MOADAIR KOEHLER ---------- > From: Glenn G. Geisheimer <germanic42@home.com> > To: KELLAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KELLAR] Brick Wall Update > Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 10:06 PM > > Hello Keller/Kellar Researchers, > > I've put some of the Brick Walls on-line at: > > <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~geishome/ggg/listpage/kellerwalls.htm> > ~~snip~~ > Glenn G. Geisheimer > germanic42@home.com

---------- > From: Mary Todd <marydt@hotmail.com> > To: KELLAR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KELLAR] Brick Wall > Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 1:54 AM > > John E. KELLER I have not been able to find a dob or pob on him. He died > in Crawford Co., IL in 1846 leaving his wife with 5 children. I do have > that he was married to a Rebecca ?. Found one document with her maiden name > but all I could read was the first 3 letters due to a stamp on it. They > were ALL? > > Rebecca was born in VA 5/1806 and died in Crawford Co.,IL in 1855. She > remarried a few years later and the name on marriage certificate listed her > as Rebecca Stafford Keller. Don't know if that was a first married name or > her middle name. John and Rebecca's first 2 children were born in VA Mary > 1831 and Caroline 1833. The other 3 were born in IL. David 1841, Eunice > 1843 and William 1846. > > I have not learned anything new on John for a year now! Help! > > Mary Keller Todd > marydt@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== KELLAR Mailing List ==== > Do you have a Keller/Kellar pension record? Use the GenConnect board > to share it with other researchers: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/kel/KellarPens >

In case anyone is having problems accessing any Rootsweb pages, here is the reason: >A power outage at Concentric has taken down a number of RootsWeb servers. >Lists are working; webpages may or may not be, depending on where they are >in the system. > >States and counties appear to be functioning, but the main USGW page isn't >(possibly because http://www.usgenweb.org is a redirect--that's a logical >extrapolation from a non-techie<g>). The cgi server is down (taking down >GenConnect), as is homepages.rootsweb.com. Mary Ann KAYLOR and KALER List Owner Mary Ann Kaylor makaylor@npwt.net

I have posted two KAYLOR Obituaries on the Kaylor GenConnect Cluster board for Obituaries. URL below. Please feel free to post on this board and the other Cluster Boards for the Kaylor and VARIANT surname, which includes Queries, Obits, Pension, Wills, Bible Records, Biographies, and deeds. You may find the Links for all of these at the following URL where I posted these obits. Click on Kaylor resource page. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/k/a/KAYLOR/obituaries You just might find a cousin or two :-) And be sure to use the right Board, please. Queries on Queries, Obits on Obits board, etc.. Mary Ann Kaylor KAYLOR and KALER List Owner Mary Ann Kaylor makaylor@npwt.net

-----------Forward from Sangamon County IL Mailing List----------------------- At 01:13 PM 08/30/1999 -0500, you wrote: >I am looking for a Kohler Family in Illinois, there is also a Mambach family from >there, I have located them in the Illinois cences I believe it was in 1865 or >thereabot. The Mambachs were Elizabeth and William and the Kohler was a Justina C >D M Kohler who met and married a Henry Gunther who came there from New Jersy >sometime between 1866 and 1868. >Any and all help is appreciated. >Thanks very much in advance. >Judy Mary Ann Kaylor makaylor@npwt.net

This is in reference to the post that I sent out recently. Leslie ------------------ > From: SwimBails@aol.com > To: KOEHLER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KOEHLER] Possible variation two postings back > Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 11:07 AM > > I thought it was really strange to consider a Koehler variation that began > with R (two postings back). I sort of dismissed the whole idea. Later, in > talking with others, I began to realize that in Russian (for those who went > to Russia), the sound of Koehler would be naturally spelled with an 'r' in > their alphabet. In otherwords, it could be a great find and worth saving > eventhough it sounds like Koehler said with a mouth full of cookies :-) > > This great insight was brought to you by someone who is totally ignorant in > Koehler variations. > > Jean ==== KOEHLER Mailing List ====

JOHN KAYLOR b 1772 VA (Source IGI) d 1843 Ross Co., OH m 1804 CATHERINE HAINES d/o Fred HAINES b 12 Jul 1774 (one record has 1789) Rockingham Co VA d 7 May 1867 Pike Co., IL These two are parents of John Lee; Mary Ann; George; Jacob; Louis; Samuel; Nicholas; Thomas; David; Hannah; Malinda; Abner; & Jane. Below is some info on their son Jacob who resided in Macon Co. IL: JACOB KAYLOR b 16 Apr 1818 Allegany, MD d 4 Mar 1900 Decatur, Macon Co. IL m 28 Jan 1840/1841 Ross Co. OH RACHEL STREET b 22 Feb 1817 Chillicothe, OH d Apr 1900, Decatur, Macon CO IL Mary Ann Kaylor Kaylor/Kaler List Owner

> For lists of genealogical associations or special interest groups an > excellent place to start is Cyndi's List of sites on the web. The German > related links start at: http://www.cyndislist.com/germany.htm#General > > As far as researching records in English your best bet is to check in at > an LDS (Mormon) Family History Center if there is one reasonably near you. > They are typically listed in the white-pages of the phone book but there is > also a website listing them: > http://www.lds.org/en/2_How_Do_I_Begin/4_Where_is.html > > Writing to Germany will require writing in German and it will also cost > you at minimum prepayment for return postage and probably research fees. > > A number of Lutheran archives (including the central archive) are listed at: > http://www.bawue.de/~hanacek/info/darchi18.htm > > and Catholic archives are listed at: > http://www.bawue.de/~hanacek/info/darchi17.htm > > Samples for addressing letters and general information are provided at: > http://www.familysearch.org/sg/LGGerman.html > > Sample letters (in German) to German archives can be found at: > http://www.genealogy.net/gene/www/ghlp/muster.html > > And finally, addresses and sample letters for writing to archives in Posen > and Poland can be found at: > http://www.man.poznan.pl/~bielecki/export/certif.htm From: Ralf Guminski <RGuminski@gmx.de> - -------------------------------

The book "A Family Called Fort" has this to say, on p 465: Christian ORNDORFF, b 7 Dec 1775, in Maryland, d 2 Feb 1845. He m/7 June 1800, in MD, Mrs. Mary (ROHRER) WEYERMAN/WYERMAN/WIREMAN, the wealthy young widow of Charles WEYERMAN. She was a d/o Jacob ROHRER, Sr (1741-1804) and a gd/o Frederick ROHRER who came to America in 1729. She was b 20 June 1778, Hagerstown, MD and d 2 July 1849, Logan Co, KY. If there is any chance that this ROHRER name could have been another "mis-spelled" variant of KÖHLER, or if you are interested in the further info that this book has to offer....ie: info on 2 of Christian & Mary's children....let me know. I will be glad to oblige. Leslie (Bridges) Kohler: Rootsweb List Owner for ~ MO-ABSTRACTS McMURRY TROTTER MOADAIR KOEHLER P.O.Box 8137, Glendale, AZ 85312-8137 P.O.Box 276, Carrollton, MO 64633-0276 <ShandyBeast@starlink.com> or <LCBK@juno.com>

------forward message------- >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >--------------ACC566AB62C7CFC81CB224CF >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Jean :) > >I have been told that we have a Koehler relative in Siberia :) Or actually - it >is her son and daughter and their families that live there now. We are trying to >find info on them, but it's so difficult !! > >The story is this: > >Martin Koehler married Anna-Maria (nee: Anhalt). They had a daughter Maria (1918 >?) and a son Hans (born in Marianfeld, Ukraine, June 12, 1920). > >We have been told two differing stories (drastically different !!), but the one >we are going with right now is that Martin died around 1922. Hans and Maria grew >up - Hans went on to fight in 3 different armies (Russian, German and British) >and marry and move to Canada - he is my husband's grandfather - now deceased. >Anna-Maria died when she was about 60. Maria was sent to Siberia. She married >somewhere and had a son (who joined the Russian Army) and a daughter, who are >both in Siberia. Maria had a stroke and a few years later died (?20 years ago >when she was about 60 ?). Apparently they did write Hans a few times over the >years. > >Hans' wife is not very good with info and I don't have much to go on :( > >I don't think that "our" Koehlers were Jewish though - Grandpa was very Anti- >Jewish. > >But I thought I would pass this on to you :) > >If you don't get that page sent to you - let me know and I will find it and get >it to you. > >Julie Nolan :) > > >--------------ACC566AB62C7CFC81CB224CF >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > name="unicorn.vcf" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: Card for S+J Nolan >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="unicorn.vcf" > >begin:vcard >n:;Nolans >x-mozilla-html:TRUE >adr:;;;;;; >version:2.1 >email;internet:unicorn@island.net >note:God Bless the Little Ones :) >fn:Nolans >end:vcard > >--------------ACC566AB62C7CFC81CB224CF-- > > >==== KOEHLER Mailing List ==== > Use Koehler-L-request@rootsweb.com to subscribe/unsubscribe > > > Mary Ann Kaylor makaylor@npwt.net

------forward message-------- >Hello KÖHLER Researchers-- > >Below is an excellent post from Don (who is the list owner of the Hessen >List, Germany GenWeb) that could benefit all of us. If you have questions, >his email is <dwat@mmcable.com>. > >Leslie: Rootsweb List Owner for ~ >McMURRY, TROTTER, MOADAIR, KOEHLER and MO-ABSTRACTS >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----------- > >Here is a tip everyone can use. Go to: > > http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/index.htm > > Click on Table of Links. >Select or scroll down to Table #2. >In the left column, click on Telephones/E-Mail. > >Scroll down and click on Teleauskunft, the official >German telephone directory. Choose English. > >Click on The Local Directory. >Click on the number which represents the area (zip code) >region you are interested in. The towns in bold print >can be accessed further. The ones in faint print are >still under construction. Don't know which area you >are interested in? Check out the links to all 16 German >states, and look under German Zip Codes for comparisons >of zip codes with German regions, right on our home page. > >After you explore the information for each town >you are interested in, make a note of them. > >Now go back to Table #2 in the Table of Links. >Click on Town Locators. >Choose Site #2 for the best maps. > >Type in the name of the town(s) you are interested >in, like this: Mannheim, Germany. If you know the county, >you can type it in, instead of Germany. That will reduce >the number of responses you get, since so many towns >in Germany have the same name. Note the region your >town is in. Enlarge, and zoom in on the map. > > Normally, you can find any town's web site in Germany >like this: http://www.townname.de/. Sometimes you >have to use http://www.stadt-townname.de/. Just insert >the actual town's name where I have townname. > > Using Site #1 in Town Locators you can also type in the >coordinates of a town and then get a list of all towns >within a 30 mile radius. First, type in the town name and >choose Germany. When possible, choose exact spelling. >If you aren't sure, choose the Daitch-Mokotov soundex >option. > > Take a look at the list of towns by that name. Become > accustomed to quick identification of distances and >directions from Berlin and coordinates applicable to >your area of research. Note the coordinates of the town >in the area you are interested in. > > Go back to the page where you typed in the town name. >Scroll to the bottom. Insert the coordinates and choose >a 30 mile radius. Note all of the towns in the vicnity. >Choose a town for further research, and zoom in on it >on the map at Site #1. All sorts of towns come into view. >Is one of them that long, lost town or village you have >been looking for? Is it close to where you HAVE been >looking and struck out? Is THAT how it is spelled? > > Going back to Town Locators, scroll down to > Step-by-Step instructions. Look for details about > your towns there. For example, what fiche and films >are available in the USA? You can get a fiche or >film faster than you can get a response from your >letter to Germany, and since you do the research, >you'll feel more confident about the results. > > NOW .. I have done this for years so I do it very > rapidly. I have high-speed equipment, so it only takes >seconds for me to find what I am looking for. In time, >you'll do this faster than you can leaf through a > Rand-McNally World Atlas. Think positive, and >remember the cry of every serious genealogist: > > Never give up! > > :) >Don >Hessen List, Germany GenWeb >*As much as I dislike paper, you'll want to print > this out and hang it next to your monitor. I'll > send some other tips as time permits.* > > >==== KALER Mailing List ==== >Support Rootsweb who makes this Mailing List Possible. >http://www.rootweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > Mary Ann Kaylor makaylor@npwt.net

Hello KÖHLER Researchers-- Below is an excellent post from Don (who is the list owner of the Hessen List, Germany GenWeb) that could benefit all of us. If you have questions, his email is <dwat@mmcable.com>. Leslie: Rootsweb List Owner for ~ McMURRY, TROTTER, MOADAIR, KOEHLER and MO-ABSTRACTS - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Here is a tip everyone can use. Go to: http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/index.htm Click on Table of Links. Select or scroll down to Table #2. In the left column, click on Telephones/E-Mail. Scroll down and click on Teleauskunft, the official German telephone directory. Choose English. Click on The Local Directory. Click on the number which represents the area (zip code) region you are interested in. The towns in bold print can be accessed further. The ones in faint print are still under construction. Don't know which area you are interested in? Check out the links to all 16 German states, and look under German Zip Codes for comparisons of zip codes with German regions, right on our home page. After you explore the information for each town you are interested in, make a note of them. Now go back to Table #2 in the Table of Links. Click on Town Locators. Choose Site #2 for the best maps. Type in the name of the town(s) you are interested in, like this: Mannheim, Germany. If you know the county, you can type it in, instead of Germany. That will reduce the number of responses you get, since so many towns in Germany have the same name. Note the region your town is in. Enlarge, and zoom in on the map. Normally, you can find any town's web site in Germany like this: http://www.townname.de/. Sometimes you have to use http://www.stadt-townname.de/. Just insert the actual town's name where I have townname. Using Site #1 in Town Locators you can also type in the coordinates of a town and then get a list of all towns within a 30 mile radius. First, type in the town name and choose Germany. When possible, choose exact spelling. If you aren't sure, choose the Daitch-Mokotov soundex option. Take a look at the list of towns by that name. Become accustomed to quick identification of distances and directions from Berlin and coordinates applicable to your area of research. Note the coordinates of the town in the area you are interested in. Go back to the page where you typed in the town name. Scroll to the bottom. Insert the coordinates and choose a 30 mile radius. Note all of the towns in the vicnity. Choose a town for further research, and zoom in on it on the map at Site #1. All sorts of towns come into view. Is one of them that long, lost town or village you have been looking for? Is it close to where you HAVE been looking and struck out? Is THAT how it is spelled? Going back to Town Locators, scroll down to Step-by-Step instructions. Look for details about your towns there. For example, what fiche and films are available in the USA? You can get a fiche or film faster than you can get a response from your letter to Germany, and since you do the research, you'll feel more confident about the results. NOW .. I have done this for years so I do it very rapidly. I have high-speed equipment, so it only takes seconds for me to find what I am looking for. In time, you'll do this faster than you can leaf through a Rand-McNally World Atlas. Think positive, and remember the cry of every serious genealogist: Never give up! :) Don Hessen List, Germany GenWeb *As much as I dislike paper, you'll want to print this out and hang it next to your monitor. I'll send some other tips as time permits.*

S+J Nolan <unicorn@island.net> sent this address to the KOEHLER list. This site is indeed a good one, especially if you know from what part of Europe your KÖHLER (K L R) or (C L R) family might have come. For those of you who are unfamiliar with John Fuller's excellent sight, be sure to check it out. Those of you who have been there before might wish to check it again for newer listings. > http://members.aol.com/gfsjohnf/gen_mail_country-ger.html Leslie (Bridges) Kohler: Owner - KOEHLER list

----------------------forward message from Koehler List----------------------- > >Hello possible relatives; K-L-R researchers (as Soundex would say). I am new >to this list and also rather new at family research on Koehlers, my mother's >side of the family. Thus, I have plenty of fairly recent information but not >much of the older stuff. > >Currently I am looking for the parents of William A. Koehler who emmigrated >from Germany (the mother may have been Swiss) sometime between 1830 and 1850 >to the US/Detroit. I have 3 hopefuls to look up in the MI 1870 Census: >Charles E, Gustav and Herman who were the only ones in Detroit at that time. >My data (minus the living) is as follows: > >1 William A KOEHLER >————————————————————————————————————————————— >Birth: 14 Feb 1854, Detroit,Michigan >Death: 4 May 1924, Detroit, MI >Burial: Elmwood Cemetary, Detroit >Occ: Evangelical Lutheran Minister In Monroe Co., Flint, Detroit And... >Educ: Ordaned In 1880 >Reli: Lutheran, Evangelical > >lived at 272 Linwood, Detroit according to cemetary purchase deed signed 30 >nov, 1914 >Lived in Blissfield, Lenawee Co per 1900 Census > >For 32 years a minister in 8 different Evangelical Lutheran Churches. Often >not paid but accepting gifts from the congregation, sometimes in areas that >were predominently Indian. Wm"s parents born in Germany. All this paragraph >is per source #8.[1] > >Elected as a presiding elder(Lutheran) and served for 12 years, the final 4 >being spent in the Detroit District. He retired in 1906 due to ill health, >last charge being the Waterman Evang. Lutheran Church. Was a member of >several general conferences. Widow, the former Libbie Knapp of Ida, MI; sons >and 4 sisters, Mrs. Elizabeth Smith of Detroit, Mrs. Mary Lentz of Applegate, >MI, Mrs Emma Pohly of Avoca, MI and Mrs. Claribel Temblett of Cleveland Ohio. >Source: obituary > >Per 1900 Census, one parent from Germany and one from Switzerland > >Spouse: Elizabeth KNAPP >Birth: ? Feb 1862, Michigan[1],[2] >Marr: ? , MI (Probably) > >Children: Irving George (1884-1953) > Otto (?1892-) > Lester C (?1898-) > >1.1 Irving George KOEHLER[1] >————————————————————————————————————————————— >Birth: 8 Oct 1884, Raisenville/monroe Co., Mi >Death: 9 Aug 1953, Detroit. MI >Burial: 12 Aug 1953, Lakeside Cem., Port Huron, Mi >Occ: Taught Drafting At Cass Tech, Detroit, Mi >Educ: Flint High School; BS At Mich State U.; MA At Univ. Of Detroit Per >Taped Autobiog. > >Moved with his parents to Detroit; lived and taught in Detroit. Designed and >built a retirement home near Lake Huron , 2967 Maplewood Dr., Port Huron, MI. > Was briefly married a second time to Christina Schef, his housekeeper and >tried hard to divorce her prior to his death as it was never a happy marriage. > >Had two brothers: Otto, a building contractor, Detroit; Lester Clarence, who >died of a burst appendix in high school after a foot ball game. Went by >'Clarence'. > >Per 1951 taped autobiography: brothers Otto and Clarence were both deceased >by 1951; Teaching career of over 30 years in Detroit school system, all but a >few years were spent at Cass Technical school teaching drafting and >counselling students. > >Spouse: Lena FISCHER >Birth: ? Feb 1885, ? Detroit, MI >Death: 4 Nov 1950, Port Huron, MI >Father: Clement FISCHER (?1861-) (may have been Charles Fischer--not >confirmed) >Mother: Willalmina FISCHER (?1860-) >Marr: 25 Jul 1909, Detroit. MI Probably[1] > >Children: Dorothy Marie (1912-1976) > Elizabeth W. (1914-1991) > >1.1.1 Dorothy Marie KOEHLER >————————————————————————————————————————————— >Birth: 4 Sep 1912, Detroit, Michigan >Death: Nov 1976, Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan >Occ: School Teacher In Home Economics And As Substitute Teacher, Detriot >Educ: Bachelors Degree From Michigan State U; Teacher’s Certificate > >Spouse: Joseph Donald WIELAND >Birth: 17 Apr 1911, Grand Rapids, MI >Death: 12 Dec 1997, Florida >Father: Joseph WIELAND (1887-1953) >Mother: Jeannette VANDERBERG (1878-1950) >Marr: 1939, Detroit, MI > > > >1.1.2 Elizabeth KOEHLER >————————————————————————————————————————————— >Birth: 4 Mar 1914, Detroit, MI >Death: 21 Apr 1991, Rochester Hills, MI >Burial: Ogdensburg Methodist Church Yard >Occ: High School Biology Teacher, Royal Oak, Mi >Educ: Msu >Reli: Methodist > >Usually known as Betty. Developed TB in her 20s; Clare waited for her during >2 years in Herman Keifer Sanitorium (for TB) then married her upon her >release. > >Family burial of cremation remains in T. C. empty jar by Clare. > >Spouse: Clare POCKLINGTON >Birth: 21 Jun 1914 >Death: 3 Sep 1986, Old Mission Peninsula, T.C., MI >Marr: ? > >1.2a Otto KOEHLER* >————————————————————————————————————————————— >Birth: ? Oct 1892, MI >Occ: Building Contractor > >Per 1920 census, living at 289 Dexter Blvd., Detroit, age 28 > >Spouse: Esther HAMILTON >Birth: ? 1892, MI >Marr: ? > >Children: Helen (~1914-) > > > >1.2a.1 Helen KOEHLER >————————————————————————————————————————————— >Birth: abt 1914, Probably Detroit,MI > >1.2b Otto KOEHLER* (See above) >————————————————————————————————————————————— > >Spouse: Esther HAMILTON >Birth: ? 1892, MI >Marr: ? , Probably MI > >Children: Helen (~1915-) > >Other spouses: Esther HAMILTON > >1.2b.1 Helen KOEHLER >————————————————————————————————————————————— >Birth: abt 1915, MI > >1.3 Lester C KOEHLER >————————————————————————————————————————————— >Birth: ? Jan 1898, MI > >Lester died at age 18 from burst appendix. He played highschool football >and it was assumed to be a game injury, instead (info. from Dorothy Koehler >Wieland). > >Lester went by his middle name, Clarence > >Any matches with your data? > >Jean > > >==== KOEHLER Mailing List ==== > Use Koehler-L-request@rootsweb.com to subscribe/unsubscribe > > > Mary Ann Kaylor makaylor@npwt.net