Hello, I am wondering if anyone knows how the death records were posted online. Were they transcribed by hand from the original? I had asked about obituaries and the Little Sisters of the Poor organization on my last posting on this list. The library couldn't find obituaries for me. But, I did find some differences in the information I have right now. The online death record gave Franklin Asbury Dubois the age of 80 in 1919, and the lady who lived with his family as a servant and had died the same year was given the age of 68. But, in the 1880, 1900 and 1910 censuses they were always the same age. A young lady related to Franklin who has a site online for him gave his death year as 1916. I am not sure who to believe. Normally, I would pick the death record for accuracy, but I have had an error on one other family member, when the information was given by a second wife who did not really know the parents of the deceased and gave his son's name as the parents name. So I guess you kind of have to be careful about trusting the informants information. Would anyone be able to suggest a new path. I know that Franklin Dubois was often called Captain Frank Dubois, as he was that rank during the Civil War. His wife was daughter of a banker in Ohio, and he seemed to be well known there. His fortunes may have slipped or something but I was surprised there was no obituary for him. Even if he hadn't lived in Missouri very long at the time of his death. I am so hoping to find out about his relationship to his "servant" Julia, as she may very well be my husband's great-grandmother who went missing. Thank you, Leemae from Mi.

Leemae, the on-line i death certificate is the actual death certificate. The death date and the cause of death will be accurate. (He died on June 21, 1919) According to his death certificate, he was 88 years old at death. As for other information, like birth date, place, parents, etc., accuracy would depend on the knowledge of the informant. According to his death certificate, he was 88 years old at death. with a birth date of 24 July 1830. You would think that his wife would have at least known his (or at least what he considered to be) his birth date. Here is Captain's Dubois obit: =================================== "The Kansas City Star" (Missouri) June 22, 1919 Franklin A. DuBOIS, 76 years old, 2625 East Thirtieth Street, died early yesterday. Mr. DuBOIS was captain of the 12th Ohio Cavalry in the Civil War, and formerly was commander of the Farragut-Thomas Post of the G.A.R. He leaves a widow, Mrs. Sarah R. DuBOIS; two sons, Frank A. DuBOIS and T. M. DuBOIS, Corona, N.M.; three daughters, Miss Roberta DuBOIS, Chicago; Mrs. Lucile MARSH, San Francisco, and Mrs. Blanche TAUBMAN, 2625 East Thirtieth Street. Funeral at 2:30 o'clock Monday at the John W. Wagner chapel, 1409 Grand Avenue. ==================================== As with the death certificate, the obit accuracy depends on the knowledge of the informant. As for the census and age: that is not reliable. People lied!! You say they had a 20 years age difference when they died. How did their death ages relate to their census ages. I would think it would be difficult to pass for being 20 years younger or older but if they both adjusted their age by 10 years (him down and her up) it may not have raised eyebrows. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "l. s." <lemaes63@msn.com> To: <KANSASCITY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: [KANSASCITY] Accuracy of Missouri death records online > Hello, > I am wondering if anyone knows how the death records were posted online. > Were they transcribed by hand from the original? I had asked about > obituaries and the Little Sisters of the Poor organization on my last > posting on this list. The library couldn't find obituaries for me. But, I > did find some differences in the information I have right now. The online > death record gave Franklin Asbury Dubois the age of 80 in 1919, and the > lady who lived with his family as a servant and had died the same year was > given the age of 68. But, in the 1880, 1900 and 1910 censuses they were > always the same age. A young lady related to Franklin who has a site > online for him gave his death year as 1916. I am not sure who to believe. > Normally, I would pick the death record for accuracy, but I have had an > error on one other family member, when the information was given by a > second wife who did not really know the parents of the deceased and gave > his son's name as the parents name. So I guess you ki! > nd of have to be careful about trusting the informants information. Would > anyone be able to suggest a new path. I know that Franklin Dubois was > often called Captain Frank Dubois, as he was that rank during the Civil > War. His wife was daughter of a banker in Ohio, and he seemed to be well > known there. His fortunes may have slipped or something but I was > surprised there was no obituary for him. Even if he hadn't lived in > Missouri very long at the time of his death. I am so hoping to find out > about his relationship to his "servant" Julia, as she may very well be my > husband's great-grandmother who went missing. > Thank you, > Leemae from Mi. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leemae, a couple more thoughts. In my note below, I was trying to state that "the on-line Missouri death certificate" is the actual death certificate. But let me add: that would be from 1910 to 1957. Pre-1910 information was transcribed, so there is a chance for errors. As you can see, his age on his death certificate is 88 but his age in his obit is 76. I would believe his death certificate and here is why (but I may be way off on this!) He was under his doctor's care from May 20 to June 19, 1919. Presumable he had medical records and his doctor at one point asked for his age. I would think Capt. DuBois would have been truthful. And since a death certificate would be more "official" than information given for a census, I would think the informant would be honest, especially since the informant signs the death certificate. Have you looked for Capt. DuBois in Civil War records? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John O'Brien" <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] Accuracy of Missouri death records online > Leemae, the on-line i death certificate is the actual death certificate. > The death date and the cause of death will be accurate. (He died on June > 21, 1919) According to his death certificate, he was 88 years old at > death. > > As for other information, like birth date, place, parents, etc., accuracy > would depend on the knowledge of the informant. According to his death > certificate, he was 88 years old at death. with a birth date of 24 July > 1830. You would think that his wife would have at least known his (or at > least what he considered to be) his birth date. > > Here is Captain's Dubois obit: > > =================================== > "The Kansas City Star" (Missouri) June 22, 1919 > > Franklin A. DuBOIS, 76 years old, 2625 East Thirtieth Street, > died early yesterday. Mr. DuBOIS was captain of the 12th Ohio > Cavalry in the Civil War, and formerly was commander of the > Farragut-Thomas Post of the G.A.R. > > He leaves a widow, Mrs. Sarah R. DuBOIS; two sons, > Frank A. DuBOIS and T. M. DuBOIS, Corona, N.M.; three > daughters, Miss Roberta DuBOIS, Chicago; Mrs. Lucile > MARSH, San Francisco, and Mrs. Blanche TAUBMAN, > 2625 East Thirtieth Street. > > Funeral at 2:30 o'clock Monday at the John W. Wagner > chapel, 1409 Grand Avenue. > > ==================================== > > As with the death certificate, the obit accuracy depends on the knowledge > of > the informant. > > As for the census and age: that is not reliable. People lied!! You say > they had a 20 years age difference when they died. How did their death > ages > relate to their census ages. I would think it would be difficult to pass > for being 20 years younger or older but if they both adjusted their age by > 10 years (him down and her up) it may not have raised eyebrows. > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "l. s." <lemaes63@msn.com> > To: <KANSASCITY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:49 AM > Subject: [KANSASCITY] Accuracy of Missouri death records online > > >> Hello, >> I am wondering if anyone knows how the death records were posted online. >> Were they transcribed by hand from the original? I had asked about >> obituaries and the Little Sisters of the Poor organization on my last >> posting on this list. The library couldn't find obituaries for me. But, I >> did find some differences in the information I have right now. The online >> death record gave Franklin Asbury Dubois the age of 80 in 1919, and the >> lady who lived with his family as a servant and had died the same year >> was >> given the age of 68. But, in the 1880, 1900 and 1910 censuses they were >> always the same age. A young lady related to Franklin who has a site >> online for him gave his death year as 1916. I am not sure who to >> believe. >> Normally, I would pick the death record for accuracy, but I have had an >> error on one other family member, when the information was given by a >> second wife who did not really know the parents of the deceased and gave >> his son's name as the parents name. So I guess you ki! >> nd of have to be careful about trusting the informants information. Would >> anyone be able to suggest a new path. I know that Franklin Dubois was >> often called Captain Frank Dubois, as he was that rank during the Civil >> War. His wife was daughter of a banker in Ohio, and he seemed to be well >> known there. His fortunes may have slipped or something but I was >> surprised there was no obituary for him. Even if he hadn't lived in >> Missouri very long at the time of his death. I am so hoping to find out >> about his relationship to his "servant" Julia, as she may very well be my >> husband's great-grandmother who went missing. >> Thank you, >> Leemae from Mi. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Le; Because they are photocopy of original, they are as good as the original but because the indexing was done by people errors do and can occur. So all items must be proved by I hope a couple of others and conflict noted. Census record when it come to age are notorious for age variances. Alfterall It is the age as reported, not proven, or even guessed at by neighbor or pastor again using date supplied by someone. Informants on death certificates are frequently wrong for many reasons. This is why display of documents is important , then it is up to each to decide which fact they believe to be closes to truth. w path. I know that Franklin Dubois was often called Captain Frank Dubois, as he was that rank during the Civil War. His wife was daughter of a banker in Ohio, and he seemed to be well known there. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message