Yes, I messed up; I meant Jackson County. I've been all over Missouri researching a different line on a very distant relative on my father's side who just interests me, and got hung up on St. Joseph's. I can't remember which library I contacted in KC; it was online and I sent an email, then my inbox got hosed when I upgraded my Norton Security, got hosed again a couple weeks later, never happened in almost ten years I've been online. Anyway, those references will be helpful and I saved them. Thanks so much for that. I haven't decided quite how to go about this. I thought about asking on the city directories list for starters and go from there. Another branch of this same family has some records (Galesburg, IL) the courthouse won't or can't send me so I have to go in person concerning another brick wall, and I am going to have to drive there, 60 mi. I keep putting it off because I've been so busy on so many fronts, not all gen related. KC is too far right now and too expensive to travel. I'll keep plugging away on my Kansas City ones (these are on my mother's side and having White for a surname has been one uphill battle after another, and if I get too stuck, will just have to pay someone when I can fit it into the budget. In this branch of my family (all 3d or so cousins), just when I think I've found a living descendent (one out in Tacoma), I make a few phone calls and it is the wrong person. There may be none in that line, but I would expect at least one or two. I'm really eager to reunite this family, figuratively speaking. They really got scattered and I'm reasonably certain if any are living, they don't know the others exist or who and where they are. I've put most of it back together.