Thanks for suggesting we get to know each other a little better, John. I'm JoLynne Walz Martinez, located in the Village of Oaks, Clay County, Missouri. On my mom's side, the family didn't arrive in the KC metro area until WWII, when my grandfather was stationed here and they stayed. That would be the Travis family. Mom is Martha Ellen (Travis) Walz. Her sister is Victoria Travis. Grandma was Charlotte Virginia (Duty) Travis and Granddad was Albert Mateer Travis. The grandparents on this side of the family were originally from the Pittsburgh, PA area. On my dad's side of the family, our history in the region is more extensive. His grandfather emigrated from Baiersdorf, Bavaria, in the late 19th century. Mattheus Walz came first to St. Louis, then to Kansas City, Missouri, where he married Elizabeth (Bertha) Brownsberger, who had recently moved up to KC from Germantown, Henry County, Missouri, to work as a maid. Mattheus worked in a variety of jobs, as a cook, a wine salesman, running a candy story. For a brief glorious moment in time he was a business owner with a saloon at the very end of the frontier era in Kansas City. After several children were born to them, the family moved to Kansas City, Kansas. They were living in the low area down by the river at the time of the big flood of 1903 that displaced so many poor people in KCK, and shortly afterward the family popped up in Winchester, Kansas, where they had no friends or relations that I know of. My working theory is that the Catholic Church may have relocated them, as they belonged to German-language Catholic churches in both KCK and Winchester (actually Mooney Creek, just outside Winchester). I haven't yet found proof of this, but the priest in charge of records for the parish says is is likely. My dad's mother's family arrived in the Platte Purchase from Kentucky (probably via Indiana and Ohio, although I'm still working out the details) shortly after -- or maybe a bit before -- it was opened for European-American settlement. They moved around a lot in rural areas of Clay and Platte Counties. Dearborn. Outside Weston. A lot of them are buried in the Pleasant Ridge Cemetery outside Weston. Later (after the Civil War -- I think they were Confederate sympathizers) the Van Meters and Lindseys moved across the state line to Winchester, Kansas. My great-grandmother on that side was Cora Belle (Lindsey) Van Meter. She married Bailey Mack Van Meter. Twice. Apparently it was a rocky relationship. The family story is that Bailey Mack and his brother, David, led troubled lives after they killed their father hen he was beating up their mother. Bailey Mack worked in law enforcement, for a time as a police officer in the "Keystone Cops" era, in St. Joseph, and later as a prison warden in Lansing. He is also said to have been a horse racer. This is likely, as his family was known for raising race horses in Kentucky. I would love to find info on his racing career here, although I've so far had no luck finding horse racing records from the region in the late 19th century. I'd also love to find court or newspaper records regarding the alleged trial of Bailey Mack and David Van Meter. They are said to have been acquitted. Bailey Mack and Cora Belle had one son who died young and three surviving children, including my grandmother, Jeanette Virginia (Van Meter) Walz. Jeanette did not like being a country girl, and the Walz family didn't exactly take to country living, either. They moved back from Winchester as soon as they could. I was born in St. Mary's hospital in KCK ... And -- except for brief residences in Atlanta and Louisville -- have lived in the KC metro area pretty much ever since. My husband came here to attend law school and has no family history in the area. On 1/4/09 9:32 AM, "John O'Brien" <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> wrote: > Good morning, > > You are one of 135 members on the Kansas City Mailing List. > > As we begin a new year, I thought it would be interesting to > know a little something about us members, and maybe even > help each other, so I'm requesting that you respond to this > note with the following: > > Your location - city and state .......... or just state > > How you are connected to Kansas City, MO or Kansas City, KS > > What you hope to gain by being a member of the KC Mailing List > > Your family name - first, first & last, or none. > > =================================================== > > Perhaps someone on the List will be able to provide you with > information. This will be more probably if you include dates and > names in your response. For example, saying "my grandfather > lived in KC" will not get much of a response but saying "my > grandfather, John O'Brien, lived in Kansas City in the 1920s" might > produce a result. It's up to you how specific you want to be. > > There is, of course, no requirement that you participate. However, > simply responding: "I live in California and lived in Kansas City, KS > in the 1950s" would be acceptable. > > Thank you for your consideration. > > John > Kansas City List Administrator > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

You are probably correct. I only remember my father studying for the York and Scottish Rites. You gave some interesting history in your article...one that has carried over for about 4000 years. Yes very interesting. There is kind of a complicated background to this. The original "Knights Templar" were a military-monastic order properly called "Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon." The order came into existence during the Crusades, and had its headquarters on Temple Mount in Jerusalem, hence the "Knights Templar" name. It eventually became the center of a good deal of controversy. For a fictional--FICTIONAL-- account, see novel "The Da Vinci Code." In more modern times, the Freemasons, a secret fraternal order, created a number of subordinate orders relating to "Templarism." WIthin the York Rite of Freemasonry, there are, among others, the Knights Templar and the "Illustrious Order of the Red Cross," which I believe is the order that this thread refers to. The symbology of the red cross comes from the costume of the original Knights Templar, which was a white mantle emblazoned with a red cross. I believe this is fairly accurate, but I stand to be corrected if there are any Masons on the KC list. Regards, Ted Snediker ----- Original Message ----- From: VivianJ8169@aol.com To: kansascity@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 6:57:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] The Feast of Manudy Thursday - April 1912 I never heard it called Knights of the Red Cross before. My Dad always called it Knights Templar....research says it was part of the Masonic Order so he became a Mason along with his friend, Harry Truman, in the 30's or 40's time could have changed it. However, myabe they prepared it in the Masonic Temple at 9th & Harrison. Ivanhoe Temple was not built until 1922. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

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Good morning, You are one of 135 members on the Kansas City Mailing List. As we begin a new year, I thought it would be interesting to know a little something about us members, and maybe even help each other, so I'm requesting that you respond to this note with the following: Your location - city and state .......... or just state How you are connected to Kansas City, MO or Kansas City, KS What you hope to gain by being a member of the KC Mailing List Your family name - first, first & last, or none. =================================================== Perhaps someone on the List will be able to provide you with information. This will be more probably if you include dates and names in your response. For example, saying "my grandfather lived in KC" will not get much of a response but saying "my grandfather, John O'Brien, lived in Kansas City in the 1920s" might produce a result. It's up to you how specific you want to be. There is, of course, no requirement that you participate. However, simply responding: "I live in California and lived in Kansas City, KS in the 1950s" would be acceptable. Thank you for your consideration. John Kansas City List Administrator

It indeed was Westminster (whose president, incidentally, married my great-grandparents in 1877), and the Winston Churchill Memorial and Library is in the lower level of Christopher Wren's Church of St. Mary the Virgin, Aldermanbury which was moved stone by stone from England and reconstructed on the college campus. It was dedicated May 7, 1969. Kansas City's own St. Andrew's pipers let the parade to the ceremony. There is more at _http://www.churchillmemorial.org/highlights/church/reconstruction.html_ (http://www.churchillmemorial.org/highlights/church/reconstruction.html) including the story behind the sections of the Berlin Wall that are also on display on the grounds outside the church. Well worth a day trip from KC, in my opinion. Vanette

Following from Jefferson City web site: "The Churchill entourage was on its way to Fulton, Missouri, a small town northeast of Jefferson City, where later that day the former Prime Minister of Great Britain delivered a speech to thousands gathered at Westminster College. For citizens of Jefferson City, March 5, 1946 is an historic day--the day Sir Winston Churchill visited our city. But for citizens of the world, March 5, 1946 will be remembered for something else. Tensions were growing between East and West. The Soviet Union was solidifying its hold on eastern Europe; and for the first time that afternoon, Sir Winston Churchill used a phrase which had a "ring of truth" to millions in the democratic West. He warned that the Soviets were causing an "Iron Curtain" to descend across Europe. Some historians say that the "Cold War" began that day." ----- Original Message ----- From: <VivianJ8169@aol.com> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] Miss Betsy GOSLIN & William WOOD - Kansas City,MO - Novembe... > > In a message dated 1/3/2009 5:17:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, > Hawkshaw1927@aol.com writes: > > Was that where Churchill made his speech during WW2 in Missouri-Fulton > rings > a bell. Not a college I remember anything about since I went to work > right > out of East and KC Jr. college and one at Baldwin Kansas and of course > William Jewell are the only ones I remember. Hope the New Year treats us > old > KC > gals well. > > > I don't think so. I believe it was Westminister he gave his speech at. > My > grandson graduated from there. > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I never heard it called Knights of the Red Cross before. My Dad always called it Knights Templar....research says it was part of the Masonic Order so he became a Mason along with his friend, Harry Truman, in the 30's or 40's time could have changed it. However, myabe they prepared it in the Masonic Temple at 9th & Harrison. Ivanhoe Temple was not built until 1922. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

In a message dated 1/3/2009 5:17:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, Hawkshaw1927@aol.com writes: Was that where Churchill made his speech during WW2 in Missouri-Fulton rings a bell. Not a college I remember anything about since I went to work right out of East and KC Jr. college and one at Baldwin Kansas and of course William Jewell are the only ones I remember. Hope the New Year treats us old KC gals well. I don't think so. I believe it was Westminister he gave his speech at. My grandson graduated from there. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

Was that where Churchill made his speech during WW2 in Missouri-Fulton rings a bell. Not a college I remember anything about since I went to work right out of East and KC Jr. college and one at Baldwin Kansas and of course William Jewell are the only ones I remember. Hope the New Year treats us old KC gals well. In a message dated 1/3/2009 2:59:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, VivianJ8169@aol.com writes: I am just curious if this William Wood had anything to do with William Wood College in Fulton, MO. Does anyone know. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

I am just curious if this William Wood had anything to do with William Wood College in Fulton, MO. Does anyone know. **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Saturday, March 2, 1907 THE McCUNE MARRIAGE BUREAU. John LUNDEEN, a fireman in the Armour packing plant, and Mrs. Sophia SODERSTROM were married yesterday in the juvenile court by Judge McCune. Mrs. SODERSTROM had been employed by the fireman as housekeeper. Because Mr. LUNDEEN's children were neglected, the couple was summoned to appear in court. They said they would do better by the children in the future and expressed a desire to be married. "I think it would be well for you to be married," the judge said. "I'll marry you free if you want me to." The probation officer went with the couple to the recorder's office, where they procured a license. Then Judge McCune performed the ceremony. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ======================================================

Little Sisters of the Poor is a Catholic organization and your start for information on this group is through Fr. Coleman at the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph.org- He is super helpful and put me in touch with an organization that no longer has a "house" in KC but who had the records. He also got me on the correct track for finding our great grandparents-out of one inquiry I now know at least 400 relatives where I knew only two before. In a message dated 1/3/2009 2:26:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, lemaes63@msn.com writes: Hello, I just recently found the death record for a Julia Curran who died May 10, 1919 in Kansas City. It said she was a servant. The Informant was "Little Sisters of the Poor". I am thinking this may be the answer to my brick wall. Would anyone be able to help me find out if this institution is still in business and if they kept records from that far back. Would they be open to sharing whatever they may have on this lady? Was this what was called a "Poorhouse"? Would it be likely that there might be an obituary? Does anyone know anyone who might do a lookup if there would be one? Franklin Asbury Dubois and his wife Sara Mickey Dubois also lived in Kansas City at one time. He died June 21, 1919 and was buried at Elmwood cemetery. I am interested in their relationship to Julia. One census says she was an aunt, but because they were the same age, I think they may have been cousins. I would appreciate any help or suggestions on finding out what I can about Julia. Thank you, Leemae ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

Hello, I just recently found the death record for a Julia Curran who died May 10, 1919 in Kansas City. It said she was a servant. The Informant was "Little Sisters of the Poor". I am thinking this may be the answer to my brick wall. Would anyone be able to help me find out if this institution is still in business and if they kept records from that far back. Would they be open to sharing whatever they may have on this lady? Was this what was called a "Poorhouse"? Would it be likely that there might be an obituary? Does anyone know anyone who might do a lookup if there would be one? Franklin Asbury Dubois and his wife Sara Mickey Dubois also lived in Kansas City at one time. He died June 21, 1919 and was buried at Elmwood cemetery. I am interested in their relationship to Julia. One census says she was an aunt, but because they were the same age, I think they may have been cousins. I would appreciate any help or suggestions on finding out what I can about Julia. Thank you, Leemae

Leemae, if you contact the genealogy branch of the Mid-Continent Library they will look for the obits. They will need your mailing address to send you a copy of the obits if found. The library's address is: ge@mcpl.lib.mo.us ----- Original Message ----- From: "l. s." <lemaes63@msn.com> To: <KANSASCITY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: [KANSASCITY] Dubois Family/Cujrran and Little sisters of the Poor > Hello, > I just recently found the death record for a Julia Curran who died May 10, > 1919 in Kansas City. It said she was a servant. The Informant was "Little > Sisters of the Poor". I am thinking this may be the answer to my brick > wall. Would anyone be able to help me find out if this institution is > still in business and if they kept records from that far back. Would they > be open to sharing whatever they may have on this lady? Was this what was > called a "Poorhouse"? > Would it be likely that there might be an obituary? Does anyone know > anyone who might do a lookup if there would be one? > Franklin Asbury Dubois and his wife Sara Mickey Dubois also lived in > Kansas City at one time. He died June 21, 1919 and was buried at Elmwood > cemetery. I am interested in their relationship to Julia. One census says > she was an aunt, but because they were the same age, I think they may have > been cousins. > I would appreciate any help or suggestions on finding out what I can about > Julia. > Thank you, > Leemae > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I certainly wonder that this reporter was smoking when he/she wrote this one !! I was under the impression that the coinage of the realm did not include shillings at that period of time. And I'll bet she was fending off suitors left and right. Good golly, Miss Molly... Had my laugh of the day from this one. In a message dated 1/3/2009 1:28:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com writes: "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, November 24, 1897 ATTACKS HIS AUNT'S WILL. In the effort that William WOOD is making to break the will left by his aunt, Miss Betsy GOSLIN, many of that estimable lady's eccentricities are being brought out, to the great amusement of the throng of spectators who have been making themselves comfortable in Judge HENRY's court room for a day or two. It seems that when Miss Betsy passed away she left, among other tangible things, four houses on Cherry street, near Seventeenth. And as she had shown much regard for her nephew, William WOOD, having educated him and shown him many other favors, he naturally expected that he would fall heir to her earthly estate. But with the perverseness which seems to be common to maiden ladies of mature years, Miss GOSLIN, at the last moment, concluded to remember some of her other nephews, also her nieces, and when the will was read, William WOOD first learned the sad truth, that he had been cut off with eight shillings. Then William brought suit, alleging that his aunt was mentally unhinged when she made her will, and declaring further that the other relatives had exerted undue influence when inducing her to leave her property to them. He also averred that she had later repudiated the will, intending to make another and that, therefore, the relatives to be benefited hid the will, telling her that it had been destroyed. Miss Betsy had acquired her property by working for it and hanging on to what she got. Eighteen years ago she came to Kansas City and invested in real estate. When she died at 60, having successfully evaded the clutches of gentlemen matrimonially inclined, she had acquired numerous peculiarities, which are now being aired in Judge HENRY's court. Among other things brought forth to prove her lack of mental equilibrium, one witness testified that she was in the habit of donning all her winter clothes on the hottest days in summer, and then she would declare it was chilly. Occasionally she would retire for the night without taking the trouble to disrobe, even neglecting to remove her shoes. These and other oddities of manner and dress to which Miss Betsy was addicted let the children to dub her Mother Goose, much to her displeasure. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ====================================================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, November 24, 1897 ATTACKS HIS AUNT'S WILL. In the effort that William WOOD is making to break the will left by his aunt, Miss Betsy GOSLIN, many of that estimable lady's eccentricities are being brought out, to the great amusement of the throng of spectators who have been making themselves comfortable in Judge HENRY's court room for a day or two. It seems that when Miss Betsy passed away she left, among other tangible things, four houses on Cherry street, near Seventeenth. And as she had shown much regard for her nephew, William WOOD, having educated him and shown him many other favors, he naturally expected that he would fall heir to her earthly estate. But with the perverseness which seems to be common to maiden ladies of mature years, Miss GOSLIN, at the last moment, concluded to remember some of her other nephews, also her nieces, and when the will was read, William WOOD first learned the sad truth, that he had been cut off with eight shillings. Then William brought suit, alleging that his aunt was mentally unhinged when she made her will, and declaring further that the other relatives had exerted undue influence when inducing her to leave her property to them. He also averred that she had later repudiated the will, intending to make another and that, therefore, the relatives to be benefited hid the will, telling her that it had been destroyed. Miss Betsy had acquired her property by working for it and hanging on to what she got. Eighteen years ago she came to Kansas City and invested in real estate. When she died at 60, having successfully evaded the clutches of gentlemen matrimonially inclined, she had acquired numerous peculiarities, which are now being aired in Judge HENRY's court. Among other things brought forth to prove her lack of mental equilibrium, one witness testified that she was in the habit of donning all her winter clothes on the hottest days in summer, and then she would declare it was chilly. Occasionally she would retire for the night without taking the trouble to disrobe, even neglecting to remove her shoes. These and other oddities of manner and dress to which Miss Betsy was addicted let the children to dub her Mother Goose, much to her displeasure. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ======================================================

This is interesting- whose lights were extinguished?? surely not the street lights?? At 6:30 pm in April, you ought to be able to see your hand in front of your face. Wonder which Hall they served it in since I can't see preparation of a banquet meal on the streets of KC and serving it to 450 men of the Knights of the Red Cross out of doors?? We really had stellar reporters in those days..and no wonder the newspapers are falling by the wayside these days. In a message dated 1/3/2009 11:30:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com writes: "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Friday, April 5, 1912 FEAST OF MAUNDY THURSDAY. Four hundred and fifty Knights Rose Croix attended the Feast of Maundy Thursday at the corner of Fifteenth Street and Troost Avenue. The ceremony of extinguishing the lights took place at 6:30 o'clock, after which a banquet was served. George Madison SHELLEY was toastmaster. O. H. SWEARINGEN, W. B. DICKINSON, Roland HUGHES and F. I. BUCKINGHAM responded to toasts. The ceremony of relighting the lights will take place at 10 o'clock Sunday morning. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ====================================================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

"The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Friday, May 20, 1892 BIRTHS REPORTED. Martha & Louis GRABER, girl, 1620 Penn street, May 17 Peter & Mary KLEUVER, boy, 2400 East Eighteenth, May 15 WILHOITT, girl, Twenty-first and Askew ave., May 15 Albert & Minnie ALLEN, boy, 533 Wabash ave., May 16 Joe F. & Edna HAWKINS, boy, 21 East Thirty-first, May 18 James & Addie F. SHANNON, boy, 2129 Terrace, May 15 I. A. & L.M. LONG, boy, 3116 Holmes street, May 18 Charles & A. MEYER, girl, 712 East Sixteenth, May 12 J. & Matilda C. CREWS, boy, 1317 Vine, May 17 Sanford & Lala WING, boy, 328 West Thirteenth, May 18 J.S. & S.S. HARRISON, boy, 1866 Chestnut, May 17 D.V. & Hattie NEWMAN, boy, 3022 Wyandotte, May 19 C. C. & Mrs. CLARK, boy, 522 East Fifth street, May 15 M.W. & Maggie A. CONKLIN, girl, 922 East Fourteenth, May 18 ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these families but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ======================================================

"The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Friday, May 20, 1892 MORTUARY REPORT. Sallie A. CARTER, 60 years, cancer, 1008 Oak street, May 18 James RAYBURN, 47 years, paralysis, 418 Parallel ave., May 17 Albert ROSS, 1 year, inflammation of bowels, 1301 Franklin, May 18 Tillie OLSEN, 30 years, blood poisoning, 2437 Monroe ave., May 8 (note: these are not all the deaths for the period.) ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these families but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ======================================================

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Friday, April 5, 1912 FEAST OF MAUNDY THURSDAY. Four hundred and fifty Knights Rose Croix attended the Feast of Maundy Thursday at the corner of Fifteenth Street and Troost Avenue. The ceremony of extinguishing the lights took place at 6:30 o'clock, after which a banquet was served. George Madison SHELLEY was toastmaster. O. H. SWEARINGEN, W. B. DICKINSON, Roland HUGHES and F. I. BUCKINGHAM responded to toasts. The ceremony of relighting the lights will take place at 10 o'clock Sunday morning. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ======================================================