Leemae, a couple more thoughts. In my note below, I was trying to state that "the on-line Missouri death certificate" is the actual death certificate. But let me add: that would be from 1910 to 1957. Pre-1910 information was transcribed, so there is a chance for errors. As you can see, his age on his death certificate is 88 but his age in his obit is 76. I would believe his death certificate and here is why (but I may be way off on this!) He was under his doctor's care from May 20 to June 19, 1919. Presumable he had medical records and his doctor at one point asked for his age. I would think Capt. DuBois would have been truthful. And since a death certificate would be more "official" than information given for a census, I would think the informant would be honest, especially since the informant signs the death certificate. Have you looked for Capt. DuBois in Civil War records? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John O'Brien" <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] Accuracy of Missouri death records online > Leemae, the on-line i death certificate is the actual death certificate. > The death date and the cause of death will be accurate. (He died on June > 21, 1919) According to his death certificate, he was 88 years old at > death. > > As for other information, like birth date, place, parents, etc., accuracy > would depend on the knowledge of the informant. According to his death > certificate, he was 88 years old at death. with a birth date of 24 July > 1830. You would think that his wife would have at least known his (or at > least what he considered to be) his birth date. > > Here is Captain's Dubois obit: > > =================================== > "The Kansas City Star" (Missouri) June 22, 1919 > > Franklin A. DuBOIS, 76 years old, 2625 East Thirtieth Street, > died early yesterday. Mr. DuBOIS was captain of the 12th Ohio > Cavalry in the Civil War, and formerly was commander of the > Farragut-Thomas Post of the G.A.R. > > He leaves a widow, Mrs. Sarah R. DuBOIS; two sons, > Frank A. DuBOIS and T. M. DuBOIS, Corona, N.M.; three > daughters, Miss Roberta DuBOIS, Chicago; Mrs. Lucile > MARSH, San Francisco, and Mrs. Blanche TAUBMAN, > 2625 East Thirtieth Street. > > Funeral at 2:30 o'clock Monday at the John W. Wagner > chapel, 1409 Grand Avenue. > > ==================================== > > As with the death certificate, the obit accuracy depends on the knowledge > of > the informant. > > As for the census and age: that is not reliable. People lied!! You say > they had a 20 years age difference when they died. How did their death > ages > relate to their census ages. I would think it would be difficult to pass > for being 20 years younger or older but if they both adjusted their age by > 10 years (him down and her up) it may not have raised eyebrows. > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "l. s." <lemaes63@msn.com> > To: <KANSASCITY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:49 AM > Subject: [KANSASCITY] Accuracy of Missouri death records online > > >> Hello, >> I am wondering if anyone knows how the death records were posted online. >> Were they transcribed by hand from the original? I had asked about >> obituaries and the Little Sisters of the Poor organization on my last >> posting on this list. The library couldn't find obituaries for me. But, I >> did find some differences in the information I have right now. The online >> death record gave Franklin Asbury Dubois the age of 80 in 1919, and the >> lady who lived with his family as a servant and had died the same year >> was >> given the age of 68. But, in the 1880, 1900 and 1910 censuses they were >> always the same age. A young lady related to Franklin who has a site >> online for him gave his death year as 1916. I am not sure who to >> believe. >> Normally, I would pick the death record for accuracy, but I have had an >> error on one other family member, when the information was given by a >> second wife who did not really know the parents of the deceased and gave >> his son's name as the parents name. So I guess you ki! >> nd of have to be careful about trusting the informants information. Would >> anyone be able to suggest a new path. I know that Franklin Dubois was >> often called Captain Frank Dubois, as he was that rank during the Civil >> War. His wife was daughter of a banker in Ohio, and he seemed to be well >> known there. His fortunes may have slipped or something but I was >> surprised there was no obituary for him. Even if he hadn't lived in >> Missouri very long at the time of his death. I am so hoping to find out >> about his relationship to his "servant" Julia, as she may very well be my >> husband's great-grandmother who went missing. >> Thank you, >> Leemae from Mi. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leemae, the on-line i death certificate is the actual death certificate. The death date and the cause of death will be accurate. (He died on June 21, 1919) According to his death certificate, he was 88 years old at death. As for other information, like birth date, place, parents, etc., accuracy would depend on the knowledge of the informant. According to his death certificate, he was 88 years old at death. with a birth date of 24 July 1830. You would think that his wife would have at least known his (or at least what he considered to be) his birth date. Here is Captain's Dubois obit: =================================== "The Kansas City Star" (Missouri) June 22, 1919 Franklin A. DuBOIS, 76 years old, 2625 East Thirtieth Street, died early yesterday. Mr. DuBOIS was captain of the 12th Ohio Cavalry in the Civil War, and formerly was commander of the Farragut-Thomas Post of the G.A.R. He leaves a widow, Mrs. Sarah R. DuBOIS; two sons, Frank A. DuBOIS and T. M. DuBOIS, Corona, N.M.; three daughters, Miss Roberta DuBOIS, Chicago; Mrs. Lucile MARSH, San Francisco, and Mrs. Blanche TAUBMAN, 2625 East Thirtieth Street. Funeral at 2:30 o'clock Monday at the John W. Wagner chapel, 1409 Grand Avenue. ==================================== As with the death certificate, the obit accuracy depends on the knowledge of the informant. As for the census and age: that is not reliable. People lied!! You say they had a 20 years age difference when they died. How did their death ages relate to their census ages. I would think it would be difficult to pass for being 20 years younger or older but if they both adjusted their age by 10 years (him down and her up) it may not have raised eyebrows. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "l. s." <lemaes63@msn.com> To: <KANSASCITY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: [KANSASCITY] Accuracy of Missouri death records online > Hello, > I am wondering if anyone knows how the death records were posted online. > Were they transcribed by hand from the original? I had asked about > obituaries and the Little Sisters of the Poor organization on my last > posting on this list. The library couldn't find obituaries for me. But, I > did find some differences in the information I have right now. The online > death record gave Franklin Asbury Dubois the age of 80 in 1919, and the > lady who lived with his family as a servant and had died the same year was > given the age of 68. But, in the 1880, 1900 and 1910 censuses they were > always the same age. A young lady related to Franklin who has a site > online for him gave his death year as 1916. I am not sure who to believe. > Normally, I would pick the death record for accuracy, but I have had an > error on one other family member, when the information was given by a > second wife who did not really know the parents of the deceased and gave > his son's name as the parents name. So I guess you ki! > nd of have to be careful about trusting the informants information. Would > anyone be able to suggest a new path. I know that Franklin Dubois was > often called Captain Frank Dubois, as he was that rank during the Civil > War. His wife was daughter of a banker in Ohio, and he seemed to be well > known there. His fortunes may have slipped or something but I was > surprised there was no obituary for him. Even if he hadn't lived in > Missouri very long at the time of his death. I am so hoping to find out > about his relationship to his "servant" Julia, as she may very well be my > husband's great-grandmother who went missing. > Thank you, > Leemae from Mi. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am wondering if anyone knows how the death records were posted online. Were they transcribed by hand from the original? I had asked about obituaries and the Little Sisters of the Poor organization on my last posting on this list. The library couldn't find obituaries for me. But, I did find some differences in the information I have right now. The online death record gave Franklin Asbury Dubois the age of 80 in 1919, and the lady who lived with his family as a servant and had died the same year was given the age of 68. But, in the 1880, 1900 and 1910 censuses they were always the same age. A young lady related to Franklin who has a site online for him gave his death year as 1916. I am not sure who to believe. Normally, I would pick the death record for accuracy, but I have had an error on one other family member, when the information was given by a second wife who did not really know the parents of the deceased and gave his son's name as the parents name. So I guess you kind of have to be careful about trusting the informants information. Would anyone be able to suggest a new path. I know that Franklin Dubois was often called Captain Frank Dubois, as he was that rank during the Civil War. His wife was daughter of a banker in Ohio, and he seemed to be well known there. His fortunes may have slipped or something but I was surprised there was no obituary for him. Even if he hadn't lived in Missouri very long at the time of his death. I am so hoping to find out about his relationship to his "servant" Julia, as she may very well be my husband's great-grandmother who went missing. Thank you, Leemae from Mi.

Steve: Should have included the following information on Grover C. Gillispie: Per 1930 census age was 45 (b. 1885); b. MO; both parents b. IL; age at first marriage: 19; occupation 1930 "shipping clerk at soap company". I remember him from childhood and have his picture taken with my grandmother and some of her children. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian Sarantha" <marians@vcn.com> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] Mary Finch Gillispie > Steve: Does a "Grover C. Gillispie" fit into your family? Just a straw, > but my grandmother married (and shortly divorced) him in K.C. > > Regards, > > Marian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Gillispie" <gillisp@earthlink.net> > To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 1:54 AM > Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] Mary Finch Gillispie > > >> Is this the one in the Cheyenne Star? If so, we have it. If not, please >> send it along! But even there, it's wrong--in 1891 they were all still >> in >> Missouri, and Edith is shown in the 1900 census living in Carroll County, >> Missouri, with that same grandmother. Nobody's stories about those times >> quite seem to be correct. >> >> Anyway, this Edith is another daughter of the Mystery Mary. The Mary >> mentioned in the first line of the obit is her. But it only talks about >> her >> husband, not her, just like everything else that turns up about that >> family. >> >> Thank you for looking, though!! And I really appreciate all of the help >> and >> suggestions that everybody has sent me about this. I definitely promise >> that if I ever find out what happened I will post it here for everybody >> to >> read. Closure to mysteries is a good thing, right?!! >> >> >>> Steven, I found an obit for Edith Gillispie, daughter of Warren and Mary >>> Gillispie. Born August 11, 1881 Bosworth, MO. >>> >>> Would this be a sister to Mary? Have you seen it? Will send it you >>> would >>> like. IVY >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> --- >> Steve Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Your location - city and state .......... or just state: My name is Frank Weihs and I live in Tacoma, WA. How you are connected to Kansas City, MO or Kansas City, KS? I lived in KCMO with my parents in 1942, but my parents had lived there before, and my Weihs grandparents were married there. My gg-grandparents, Laban RECORDS (b. 11 May 1807-d. 31 May 1875) and Martha (STITES) RECORDS (b. 1 Jan 1809-d. 29 Jun 1882) settled near Liberty, Clay Co., MO, in 1865, along with their children including my g-grandfather James M. RECORDS (b.26 Apr 1843-d. 15 Jan 1899. My gg-grandmother Louisa S. (TRACEY) FARNSWORTH (b. 2 Mar 1811-d. 14 Jan 1892) settled in Liberty in 1854, accompanied by her children. Her daughter Emma V. FARNSWORTH (b. 21 Jul 1850-d. 6 Nov 1922) m. James RECORDS in 1867, and they spent the rest of their married life in KCMO. Their daughter Cora M. RECORDS (b. 27 Jan 1871-d. 6 Jan 1941) m. John C. WEIHS (b. 26 Jan 1867-d. 9 Feb 1939) in 1891 and set up housekeeping in KCMO, living there until about 1900 when they show up in Osyka, Pike Co., MS. The previous year John's brother Henry WEIHS married Cora's sister Minnie Bird. The two of them lived in KCMO until Henry's death in 1896. Minnie continued to live in KCMO with her two daughters Bertha and Mabel WEIHS until 1903 when she remarried--to Thomas HART and moved to Springfield, Greene Co., MO. James and Emma RECORDS and Henry WEIHS are buried in Elmwood Cemetery in KCMO. What you hope to gain by being a member of the KC Mailing List? I have already gained quite a bit of family information with the help of John O'Brien and Anita Weaver, but hope to discover a dependable birth record for my grandmother Cora Maude RECORDS. She is supposed to have been born 27 Jan 1871, in Wyandotte, Wyandotte Co, KS, but I have been unable to document that information. I am also looking for information about Mabel (WEIHS) LITTLE, Minnie Bird's daughter. I know she was married to a Ronald LITTLE and was living in KCKS in 1942, but that is about all I have. Beyond the specific genealogical information provided by the mailing list, I enjoy very much the historical items that John passes along, sharing them with other members of my family. Your family name - first, first & last, or none: Frank WEIHS

Steve: Does a "Grover C. Gillispie" fit into your family? Just a straw, but my grandmother married (and shortly divorced) him in K.C. Regards, Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Gillispie" <gillisp@earthlink.net> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] Mary Finch Gillispie > Is this the one in the Cheyenne Star? If so, we have it. If not, please > send it along! But even there, it's wrong--in 1891 they were all still in > Missouri, and Edith is shown in the 1900 census living in Carroll County, > Missouri, with that same grandmother. Nobody's stories about those times > quite seem to be correct. > > Anyway, this Edith is another daughter of the Mystery Mary. The Mary > mentioned in the first line of the obit is her. But it only talks about > her > husband, not her, just like everything else that turns up about that > family. > > Thank you for looking, though!! And I really appreciate all of the help > and > suggestions that everybody has sent me about this. I definitely promise > that if I ever find out what happened I will post it here for everybody to > read. Closure to mysteries is a good thing, right?!! > > >> Steven, I found an obit for Edith Gillispie, daughter of Warren and Mary >> Gillispie. Born August 11, 1881 Bosworth, MO. >> >> Would this be a sister to Mary? Have you seen it? Will send it you >> would >> like. IVY >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > Steve Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is this the one in the Cheyenne Star? If so, we have it. If not, please send it along! But even there, it's wrong--in 1891 they were all still in Missouri, and Edith is shown in the 1900 census living in Carroll County, Missouri, with that same grandmother. Nobody's stories about those times quite seem to be correct. Anyway, this Edith is another daughter of the Mystery Mary. The Mary mentioned in the first line of the obit is her. But it only talks about her husband, not her, just like everything else that turns up about that family. Thank you for looking, though!! And I really appreciate all of the help and suggestions that everybody has sent me about this. I definitely promise that if I ever find out what happened I will post it here for everybody to read. Closure to mysteries is a good thing, right?!! > Steven, I found an obit for Edith Gillispie, daughter of Warren and Mary > Gillispie. Born August 11, 1881 Bosworth, MO. > > Would this be a sister to Mary? Have you seen it? Will send it you would > like. IVY > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message --- Steve Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net>

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, January 25, 1922 DEATHS IN GREATER KANSAS CITY. Mrs. Elizabeth GRAHAM, 51 years old, died yesterday in the home of her son, Grover C. GRAHAM, 1408 New Jersey avenue, Kansas City, Kas. Besides Mr. GRAHAM, she is survived by two daughters, Miss Ruth GRAHAM, Mrs. A. R. HUTCHINSON, Marysville, Kas; a brother, John SWEET, and four grandchildren. Funeral services will be at 2:30 o'clock Wednesday, in the home. Burial will be in Bethel, Kas. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ======================================================

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Friday, May 24, 1922 ATHLETE BROKE WRIST AT MEET. William PILGREEN, 14 years old, 418 West Tenth street, received a fracture of the left wrist while attempting a high jump in a track meet yesterday at the Van Horn school. He was removed to the General hospital. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ======================================================

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, December 5, 1923 MARRIAGE LICENSES ISSUED IN WYANDOTTE COUNTY. Jenkin G. GEORGE, Kansas City, Kas.............38 Laura ELLIS, Augusta, Ark................................23 Robert FINSLEY, Kansas City, Kas..................22 Myrtle F. VENABLE, Kansas City, Kas.............20 Roosevelt RICHARD, Kansas City, Kas...........22 Virdie CARADINE, Kansas City, Kas................18 Allen RYAN, Wellington, Mo..............................26 Miami G. SWIGART, Napoleon, Mo..................21 ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ======================================================

"The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Wednesday, August 5, 1891 IN POLICE CIRCLES. William DEWEESE, a demented citizen of Westport, made his appearance in this city yesterday and when discovered by Officer FOSTER was wandering aimlessly about the streets of this place. He did not seem sufficiently rational to give any account of himself, and was accordingly placed under surveillance and his family and friends at his home notified. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ======================================================

Hi, I am Shirley (Jennings) Weber, now living in Centralia, Washington, but a native Kansan. I was born in Kansas City, Missouri, but raised in Rosedale, Kansas City, Kansas. My family is really connected to both Kansas City, MO and Kansas. My mother was a Davis and her father was born in LaPlata, Macon County, MO,1869. John W. Davis moved to Rosedale about 1889. Was one of the early motormen on the Rosedale Street Car. About 1928 he built a grocery store corner of Bristow and Francis. Always on the lookout for the surnames of Davis, Bowen, Murley, Wright, Sampson. My father was born in 1903, Turner, KS. Most of his ancestors settled in Kansas City or along the border counties of KS and MO. Number of families lived in Bates County, MO. My reason for joining the Kansas City List is the possibility of finding one of my many surnames, learning more on early Kansas City, MO and KS. Where information might be found and possibly learning where some of my old high school friends are today. As I said I grew up in Rosedale but only a block from State Line. After I married lived number of years in Kansas City, North, in the Briarcliff area so always interested in news from that area. Love John for his postings of newspaper obits, deaths marriages and happenings of people in any early time period. Have had some luck on a few deaths that he posted. Thank You, John, for your wonderful postings and bringing back some pleasurable memories of my years in Kansas City. Shirley

Steven, I found an obit for Edith Gillispie, daughter of Warren and Mary Gillispie. Born August 11, 1881 Bosworth, MO. Would this be a sister to Mary? Have you seen it? Will send it you would like. IVY

That's a pretty good idea. I have wondered whether Mary might have died in prison or in a mental institution. But the rumors say she died because she was cleaning ribbons in gasoline and they caught fire, and then her along with it. It doesn't seem like they would have allowed a person in one of those institutions to be playing around with gasoline near an open flame. Not because they cared so much about the inmates, but because they didn't want their building to burn down! The other thing is that she seemed to have voluntarily sold her land, and then went off on her own. In that case there wouldn't have been anybody around to have had her committed. But, still, I will add your ideas to my list of possibilities. Thanks! > On the Gillispei fire death, check the residence file of st. Joseph state > hospital and of course the Jackson county home. And even closer to the > daughter's birth. Sometimes things happen that requires families placing an > adult via the court in these institutions. Very Little is ever reported > about happenings there. Families would have been rather secretive also and > it wasn't always mental illness, TB and StD were also reasons. I suspect > several of today's disorders were sent to these faculties. Bud. > > -----Original Message----- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message --- Steve Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net>

Anita, Oh, no matter how long one searches, there's always something that gets overlooked! I'm open to hearing all ideas. These are all good ones. A couple of our family tried the Carrollton newspapers idea. They aren't very well cataloged in the library there, and the librarians try to discourage people from looking at them. They say they never carried anything interesting, anyway! (I disagree completely.) But the real problem is that without a date or her new married name, it really seems pretty hopeless. We've been through the cemetery the family used (the old, now abandoned, Bethlehem Baptist Church Cemetery) and there's nothing there. If they buried her there they didn't put up a stone. I haven't found any Missouri death certificates under her known names, but since she supposedly remarried, it's pretty impossible to search for just "Mary" without a last name or death date--too bad she wasn't named Priscilla or Elsina or one of her other aunts' unusual names! Noding Finch was Mary's uncle, and Mary Finch her grandmother (possibly who she was named after). Noding (he died in 1891) Finch's daughter M.E. was Mary Elizabeth Tennessee Finch, known as "Tennie." She was close to the daughter who grew up there with that grandmother. Tennie was a sister to the "uncle" who went to Mary's funeral. Mary sold her land to her mother-in-law, the grandmother who raised Mary's daughter. And another mystery is why that was done, since her other children ended up with their father, Mary's husband. So I know all of these connections, but not one of these people passed on any stories to the later generations!! It's so frustrating. I'll bet your grandparents knew this story!! As you know, Carroll County isn't that big of a place. Thanks for your ideas. And I apologize to everybody else for rambling on about something not about Kansas City! Steve > Steven, >   > My grandparents were born and raised in Carroll county and they moved to > Kansas City about 1920 or so. Forgive me if you've already explored this > angle, but small town newspapers carried these type stories more so than > bigger cities' (like Kansas City) newspapers. Even if she died in a fire in > Kansas City, the Carrollton newspaper may have reported it and with more > details than the Kansas City Star. Also, could she be buried in Carrollton if > there is a family cemetery plot there? I have a Carroll County history book > and there is a Noding Finch listed there as late as 1880 or 1890 I think. He > was born in 1828 in Tennessee and his mother's name was Mary.  One of his > children is listed as M.E. (Mary?). Also, have you looked at the land sale > papers. Maybe there is a clue about why she sold the land. >   > Again, please forgive me if I'm repeating some steps you've already taken. It > looks like you've been searching for quite a while. Hope this helps you > somehow and if I go to Carrollton (my mother died last year and is buried in > the Carrollton cemetery) maybe I can do a look-up for you. >   > Anita in MO >   > P.S. Have you found a death certificate from the state of Missouri? Perhaps > they brought her back to Carroll county and she died there????? > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Steven Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net> wrote: > > From: Steven Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] Mary Finch Gillispie > To: kansascity@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 3:38 AM > > John, > > And I read every one of those posts!! I am always hoping you will turn up > something, too. I also very much appreciate all of the research work you do > for everybody. > > As far as more details, Mary sold her land in Carroll Co in 1893, so she was > alive then. A court case (that she didn't attend) in 1894 referred to her > as being alive, but maybe she had already died and they just hadn't learned > it yet. So there are your minimum dates. The family stories sort of > centered around 1908 as her death year, so I went through that whole year's > worth of KC Stars looking for a news article, but didn't turn up anything. > But then I traced that uncle (he was actually Mary's first cousin, a > Finch), > and he married in 1891 but moved to Iowa, maybe around 1905. I doubt that > his wife would have let him travel all the way back to Kansas City to go to > the funeral of his female cousin! Also, the daughter was born in 1890. You > would think that if her mother had died when she was a teenager it would > have made a pretty big impression on her and she would have remembered it. > The grandmother died in 1906 and then the daughter went to stay with another > Gillispie great-uncle. So it all seems to point to more like around 1900 or > earlier. I've looked at every Mary in the 1900 census that might fit, but > she doesn't seem to be any one of them, though people often got left off. > I've also been through the KCMO death records and found nothing. Now > I'm > going through the KCKS ones. So maybe I will send you a few interesting > names to report on. Even if they turn out not to be my Marys, they were > somebody's. > > Of course, the big thing is that just because the uncle took the train from > Carrollton to KC to go to the funeral, that doesn't mean the funeral was > actually in the city. That could have just been the nearest transfer point > to some destination farther away. But I'm checking anyway. Somehow, > wherever it was, they heard about her death in Carroll County in time to get > to the funeral. The newspapers would have been brought in by train from the > city early in the morning, so maybe they read about it there. Which means > they knew what name she was using. Or, somebody notified the family. And > that means somebody where she lived knew who to contact. So the mystery > also includes how the news got spread, and whether it can still be picked up > on today. Back then, people did know. But they never told anybody younger > than themselves. > > >> Steve, whenever I read about a fire in an old newspaper I think of you and >> your gggrandmother, and I always make a point of posting the article or >> obituary. You sure have a "cold case" challenge. Hopefully > we'll come >> across something one of these days. >> >> I don't remember, don't you have a time frame of when the fire > might have >> occurred? I assume you can eliminate the years from 1859 to the year her >> daughter was born and maybe a few years after? >> >> Do you know the birth date of her daughter? >> Do you know the death date of the uncle? >> >> John >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steven Gillispie" <gillisp@earthlink.net> >> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] the Kansas City Mailing List members >> >> >>>> As we begin a new year, I thought it would be interesting to >>>> know a little something about us members, ... >>> >>> >>> My name is Steve Gillispie, and I live in Washington. My > gggrandmother, >>> Mary Finch Gillispie, was born in Carroll County, MO, in Oct 1859. > The >>> last >>> record we have of her was from there in 1893. But then she > disappeared. >>> The family stories are that she died in a fire, but the people who > knew >>> the >>> details didn't want to talk about it, so they have been lost. Her >>> daughter, >>> who was just a child at the time, wrote some notes in the 1920s that > were >>> only recently found in an old suitcase in a garage attic, that said an >>> uncle >>> took the train to Kansas City to go to her funeral. That daughter was >>> raised by her grandmother, and spent many years trying to find out > what >>> happened to her mother. Through the subsequent years, each generation > has >>> tried and failed as well, and now it is my turn. The rumors are also > that >>> she had remarried, but nobody knows what her new name was, either. So > I >>> subscribe to this list hoping that someday one of her > step-children's >>> descendants will talk about her and our long mystery will finally be >>> solved. >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Steve Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > Steve Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message --- Steve Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net>

Could your William BARNES have been married to Martha RICHARDS, with a son names Benjamin Reason BARNES? Paul Ann Arbor, Michigan In a message dated 1/6/2009 6:22:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jmartinez5@kc.rr.com writes: My dad's oldest sister married into a Barnes family from the Kansas City, Kansas (Armourdale). I don't know much about his relations. My uncle's name (he passed away a few years back) was William Barnes. He was a doctor of osteopathic medicine. Any connection with your Barnes family? -- JoLynne On 1/6/09 4:17 PM, "CherylS828@aol.com" <CherylS828@aol.com> wrote: > Hello. > My name is Cheryl BARNES SALVI. I live in Haverhill, Massachusetts. My > connection to KCMO is my father. He was born there in 1930. I read all the > posts hoping that someone writes something about one of my relatives. I > appreciate it when people put the surnames in all caps - it makes it easier > to skim > over the posts. > The names I am researching are: > Ralph BARNES > Ivella STEWART FOULK TIDWELL BARNES > Margaret BLANTON YOUNG ANDERSON BARNES NANNY BUZAN WONSETLER > > I really appreciate all the births and deaths notices and other articles > that you submit, John. > Thank you. > Cheryl **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

I'm interested in Kansas City information because I recently found my great grandmother died there. Prior to that time all I knew about her was she was born Clara STIDGER in Ohio in c. 1858, married Levi HAMPTON there in 1875, moved to Iowa shortly thereafter. Levi died suddenly in 1882 leaving her with three young children, the oldest, my paternal grandmother. For reasons unknown she gave up her children and seemingly disappeared. I've searched for years for her. I recently happened onto her under name "Clarie TOLE" in the 1910 Creek Co. OK census in the town of Sapulpa with a new husband. The census indicated they'd been married 8 years. I don't know anything about her husband, other than his name, James TOLE. Oklahoma did not become a State until 1907 so if they married there it would have been Indian Territory. I knew from Kansas City directory that Clara Stidger Hampton's mother, Emily STIDGER, had lived in Kansas City for short while in 1896 but have never found who she was with. She was widowed at the time and later lived in the Choctaw Nation in Atoka Co. OK. She died in 1896 and is buried in her hometown in Ohio. Then I located both Clara and James TOLE on the Missouri Death Certificates. They'd moved to Kansas City Missouri after leaving Oklahoma. I don't know their connection to Missouri other than various members of the family (both Hampton and Stidger) lived in and around Kansas City from time to time in the 1880's and into the 1900's. If anyone can provide information on either Clara or James TOLE, I'd really appreciate it. Names: Clara (STIDGER) (HAMPTON) TOLE. She died in Kansas City in July 1913 and is buried in Forest Hill Cemetery. Husband: James TOLE, died in Kansas City January 1940 and is buried in Green Lawn Cemetery. juanita ========================================================= >>You are one of 135 members on the Kansas City Mailing List. >> >>As we begin a new year, I thought it would be interesting to >>know a little something about us members, and maybe even >>help each other, so I'm requesting that you respond to this >>note with the following: >> >>Your location - city and state .......... or just state >> >>How you are connected to Kansas City, MO or Kansas City, KS >> >>What you hope to gain by being a member of the KC Mailing List >> >>Your family name - first, first & last, or none.

My dad's oldest sister married into a Barnes family from the Kansas City, Kansas (Armourdale). I don't know much about his relations. My uncle's name (he passed away a few years back) was William Barnes. He was a doctor of osteopathic medicine. Any connection with your Barnes family? -- JoLynne On 1/6/09 4:17 PM, "CherylS828@aol.com" <CherylS828@aol.com> wrote: > Hello. > My name is Cheryl BARNES SALVI. I live in Haverhill, Massachusetts. My > connection to KCMO is my father. He was born there in 1930. I read all the > posts hoping that someone writes something about one of my relatives. I > appreciate it when people put the surnames in all caps - it makes it easier > to skim > over the posts. > The names I am researching are: > Ralph BARNES > Ivella STEWART FOULK TIDWELL BARNES > Margaret BLANTON YOUNG ANDERSON BARNES NANNY BUZAN WONSETLER > > I really appreciate all the births and deaths notices and other articles > that you submit, John. > Thank you. > Cheryl

Hello. My name is Cheryl BARNES SALVI. I live in Haverhill, Massachusetts. My connection to KCMO is my father. He was born there in 1930. I read all the posts hoping that someone writes something about one of my relatives. I appreciate it when people put the surnames in all caps - it makes it easier to skim over the posts. The names I am researching are: Ralph BARNES Ivella STEWART FOULK TIDWELL BARNES Margaret BLANTON YOUNG ANDERSON BARNES NANNY BUZAN WONSETLER I really appreciate all the births and deaths notices and other articles that you submit, John. Thank you. Cheryl In a message dated 1/4/2009 10:32:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com writes: Good morning, You are one of 135 members on the Kansas City Mailing List. As we begin a new year, I thought it would be interesting to know a little something about us members, and maybe even help each other, so I'm requesting that you respond to this note with the following: Your location - city and state .......... or just state How you are connected to Kansas City, MO or Kansas City, KS What you hope to gain by being a member of the KC Mailing List Your family name - first, first & last, or none. =================================================== Perhaps someone on the List will be able to provide you with information. This will be more probably if you include dates and names in your response. For example, saying "my grandfather lived in KC" will not get much of a response but saying "my grandfather, John O'Brien, lived in Kansas City in the 1920s" might produce a result. It's up to you how specific you want to be. There is, of course, no requirement that you participate. However, simply responding: "I live in California and lived in Kansas City, KS in the 1950s" would be acceptable. Thank you for your consideration. John Kansas City List Administrator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

Steven,   My grandparents were born and raised in Carroll county and they moved to Kansas City about 1920 or so. Forgive me if you've already explored this angle, but small town newspapers carried these type stories more so than bigger cities' (like Kansas City) newspapers. Even if she died in a fire in Kansas City, the Carrollton newspaper may have reported it and with more details than the Kansas City Star. Also, could she be buried in Carrollton if there is a family cemetery plot there? I have a Carroll County history book and there is a Noding Finch listed there as late as 1880 or 1890 I think. He was born in 1828 in Tennessee and his mother's name was Mary.  One of his children is listed as M.E. (Mary?). Also, have you looked at the land sale papers. Maybe there is a clue about why she sold the land.   Again, please forgive me if I'm repeating some steps you've already taken. It looks like you've been searching for quite a while. Hope this helps you somehow and if I go to Carrollton (my mother died last year and is buried in the Carrollton cemetery) maybe I can do a look-up for you.   Anita in MO   P.S. Have you found a death certificate from the state of Missouri? Perhaps they brought her back to Carroll county and she died there????? --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Steven Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Steven Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] Mary Finch Gillispie To: kansascity@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 3:38 AM John, And I read every one of those posts!! I am always hoping you will turn up something, too. I also very much appreciate all of the research work you do for everybody. As far as more details, Mary sold her land in Carroll Co in 1893, so she was alive then. A court case (that she didn't attend) in 1894 referred to her as being alive, but maybe she had already died and they just hadn't learned it yet. So there are your minimum dates. The family stories sort of centered around 1908 as her death year, so I went through that whole year's worth of KC Stars looking for a news article, but didn't turn up anything. But then I traced that uncle (he was actually Mary's first cousin, a Finch), and he married in 1891 but moved to Iowa, maybe around 1905. I doubt that his wife would have let him travel all the way back to Kansas City to go to the funeral of his female cousin! Also, the daughter was born in 1890. You would think that if her mother had died when she was a teenager it would have made a pretty big impression on her and she would have remembered it. The grandmother died in 1906 and then the daughter went to stay with another Gillispie great-uncle. So it all seems to point to more like around 1900 or earlier. I've looked at every Mary in the 1900 census that might fit, but she doesn't seem to be any one of them, though people often got left off. I've also been through the KCMO death records and found nothing. Now I'm going through the KCKS ones. So maybe I will send you a few interesting names to report on. Even if they turn out not to be my Marys, they were somebody's. Of course, the big thing is that just because the uncle took the train from Carrollton to KC to go to the funeral, that doesn't mean the funeral was actually in the city. That could have just been the nearest transfer point to some destination farther away. But I'm checking anyway. Somehow, wherever it was, they heard about her death in Carroll County in time to get to the funeral. The newspapers would have been brought in by train from the city early in the morning, so maybe they read about it there. Which means they knew what name she was using. Or, somebody notified the family. And that means somebody where she lived knew who to contact. So the mystery also includes how the news got spread, and whether it can still be picked up on today. Back then, people did know. But they never told anybody younger than themselves. > Steve, whenever I read about a fire in an old newspaper I think of you and > your gggrandmother, and I always make a point of posting the article or > obituary. You sure have a "cold case" challenge. Hopefully we'll come > across something one of these days. > > I don't remember, don't you have a time frame of when the fire might have > occurred? I assume you can eliminate the years from 1859 to the year her > daughter was born and maybe a few years after? > > Do you know the birth date of her daughter? > Do you know the death date of the uncle? > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Gillispie" <gillisp@earthlink.net> > To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:35 AM > Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] the Kansas City Mailing List members > > >>> As we begin a new year, I thought it would be interesting to >>> know a little something about us members, ... >> >> >> My name is Steve Gillispie, and I live in Washington. My gggrandmother, >> Mary Finch Gillispie, was born in Carroll County, MO, in Oct 1859. The >> last >> record we have of her was from there in 1893. But then she disappeared. >> The family stories are that she died in a fire, but the people who knew >> the >> details didn't want to talk about it, so they have been lost. Her >> daughter, >> who was just a child at the time, wrote some notes in the 1920s that were >> only recently found in an old suitcase in a garage attic, that said an >> uncle >> took the train to Kansas City to go to her funeral. That daughter was >> raised by her grandmother, and spent many years trying to find out what >> happened to her mother. Through the subsequent years, each generation has >> tried and failed as well, and now it is my turn. The rumors are also that >> she had remarried, but nobody knows what her new name was, either. So I >> subscribe to this list hoping that someday one of her step-children's >> descendants will talk about her and our long mystery will finally be >> solved. >> >> >> --- >> Steve Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message --- Steve Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message