"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Friday, November 30, 1894 SHOT IN THE MOUTH. Phillip MATTHEWS, one of the Armour Packing company's butchers, was shot in the mouth by an unknown man at the west end of the Central avenue bridge early yesterday morning. He was intoxicated at the time and was unable to recognize his assailant. According to MATTHEWS' story, the assassin rose up in the darkness, said, "Now I will kill you, ___ ___ you," and fired. MATTHEWS ran back across the bridge and sought medical attention at Police station No. 2. Police Surgeon LUTZ found that the bullet had knocked out four of MATTHEWS' lower teeth and cut off part of the tongue. The ball lodged in the back of the man's neck. MATTHEWS' condition was pronounced serious and he was removed to St. Margaret's hospital. The butcher has a family at 21 South Eleventh street. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) johnobrien@kc.rr.com ======================================================

thanks john! ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:00:32 -0600 >From: "John O'Brien" <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> >Subject: [KANSASCITY] Mary Jane Lyons ARMSTRONG >To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> > >Cindy, sorry ..... I don't have that month, but if you contact the >Mid-Continent Library in Independence, they will do a search. Be sure to >give them your mailing address so they can send you a copy when they find >the obit. > >The library email address is: ge@mcpl.lib.mo.us > > >John > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <cindyhal@illinois.edu> >To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:37 PM >Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] feed back > > >> Hi John, >> >> If you have obits for 1920- on, i'm looking for >> Mary Jane Lyons Armstrong, d. 4-4-1920 Kansas City, Mo >> >> Thank you! >> Cindy >> >> Here Today, Gone to Maui >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cindy, sorry ..... I don't have that month, but if you contact the Mid-Continent Library in Independence, they will do a search. Be sure to give them your mailing address so they can send you a copy when they find the obit. The library email address is: ge@mcpl.lib.mo.us John ----- Original Message ----- From: <cindyhal@illinois.edu> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] feed back > Hi John, > > If you have obits for 1920- on, i'm looking for > Mary Jane Lyons Armstrong, d. 4-4-1920 Kansas City, Mo > > Thank you! > Cindy > > Here Today, Gone to Maui > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, If you have obits for 1920- on, i'm looking for Mary Jane Lyons Armstrong, d. 4-4-1920 Kansas City, Mo Thank you! Cindy Here Today, Gone to Maui

Here you go.  Hope this isn't too much to ask.    Jesse Carothers, Nov 1928;  Annie Carothers, July 1927;  Harvey Carothers, May 1974;  Charles Carothers, May 18,1955;  Susan (Carothers) Jantzen, 1965;  Leona Carothers, Aug 1974;  Ida (Estes) Guy, Nov 1945;  Abe Estes (father), Oct 1927;  Abe Estes (son), May 1975;  James Estes, 1959 (father);  James Estes, 1965 (son);  Mary Estes, 1930;  Alva Estes, 1975   Thanks again John!   Jeff --- On Fri, 1/9/09, John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> wrote: From: John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> Subject: [KANSASCITY] CAROLTHERS, ESTES, HERBOLD To: kansascity@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 8:03 PM Jeff, I don't have any of your names in my files. But I did an on-line search of greater Kansas City through my library, matched items would be prior to 1977. I didn't get any matches for HERBOLD but got 108 matches for CAROTHERS and 557 matches for ESTES. What are the given names for ESTES and CAROTHERS? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Day" <jeffrey-day@sbcglobal.net> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] feed back Most of the ones I am missing are from my Herbold line. Do you have any with that surname? Also the names Estes and Carothers. Thanks so much for all you do. Jeff --- On Fri, 1/9/09, John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> wrote: From: John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] feed back To: kansascity@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 5:05 PM Jeff, I got my "collection" from the Kansas City Public Library and from the Mid-Continent Library in Independence. Over the years I've made many copies and I started a projected to get all KC obits from 1910 to 1923. Who are some of the people you are looking for and about when did they die? Maybe we can help. Have you been up to the Mid-Continent Library in Independence (genealogy branch). Some of the Wyandotte County cemeteries have been indexed and the Library has the books. Your people may be listed. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Day" <jeffrey-day@sbcglobal.net> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] feed back John: Can you tell me where you are getting all of the obits you post. As I mentioned in a previous e-mail, I have had family tied to Wyandotte County since the 1860's. But I don't have any date of death for them. Therefore, looking for an obit is a needle in a haystack. Jeff Day ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Most of the ones I am missing are from my Herbold line.  Do you have any with that surname?  Also the names Estes and Carothers.  Thanks so much for all you do.   Jeff --- On Fri, 1/9/09, John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> wrote: From: John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] feed back To: kansascity@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 5:05 PM Jeff, I got my "collection" from the Kansas City Public Library and from the Mid-Continent Library in Independence. Over the years I've made many copies and I started a projected to get all KC obits from 1910 to 1923. Who are some of the people you are looking for and about when did they die? Maybe we can help. Have you been up to the Mid-Continent Library in Independence (genealogy branch). Some of the Wyandotte County cemeteries have been indexed and the Library has the books. Your people may be listed. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Day" <jeffrey-day@sbcglobal.net> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] feed back John: Can you tell me where you are getting all of the obits you post. As I mentioned in a previous e-mail, I have had family tied to Wyandotte County since the 1860's. But I don't have any date of death for them. Therefore, looking for an obit is a needle in a haystack. Jeff Day --- On Fri, 1/9/09, John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> wrote: From: John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> Subject: [KANSASCITY] feed back To: "KansasCity" <KansasCity@rootsweb.com>, "MoJackson" <MoJackso-L@rootsweb.com>, "KS-Wyandotte" <KSWyando-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 12:13 PM Below is a message that I'd like to share with you. The person saw the obituary index that I posted and asked for Julia CROKER's obit. It's responses like this that encourages me to continue my efforts. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: RE: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS Dear Mr. OBrien, I wish to thank you for this information. This has told me what no-one alive in the family knew, where the family lived after coming from Ireland. God Bless You and Yours! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com To: Subject: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:23:51 -0600 "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, May 19, 1920 Mrs. Julia CROKER, 507 North Fifth street, Kansas Side, died yesterday at St. Margaret's hospital. Mrs. CROKER had lived on the Kansas Side forty years. She is survived by two sons, John CROKER and Patrick CROKER, both of the home, and a daughter, Mrs. H. B. STEMPLEMAN, 415 Indiana avenue. Funeral services will be at 9 o'clock this morning at St. Mary's church, Kansas Side; burial in Mount Calvary cemetery. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:24 AM Subject: 1920 obits Hello Mr. OBrien, I am interested in an old post of 1920 obits of KC. A Julia Croker is listed an I am curious of the contents. I believe her to be my father's aunt. Any info you may be able to send would be gladly appreciated. Thank you, Richard Croker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeff, I got my "collection" from the Kansas City Public Library and from the Mid-Continent Library in Independence. Over the years I've made many copies and I started a projected to get all KC obits from 1910 to 1923. Who are some of the people you are looking for and about when did they die? Maybe we can help. Have you been up to the Mid-Continent Library in Independence (genealogy branch). Some of the Wyandotte County cemeteries have been indexed and the Library has the books. Your people may be listed. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Day" <jeffrey-day@sbcglobal.net> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] feed back John: Can you tell me where you are getting all of the obits you post. As I mentioned in a previous e-mail, I have had family tied to Wyandotte County since the 1860's. But I don't have any date of death for them. Therefore, looking for an obit is a needle in a haystack. Jeff Day --- On Fri, 1/9/09, John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> wrote: From: John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> Subject: [KANSASCITY] feed back To: "KansasCity" <KansasCity@rootsweb.com>, "MoJackson" <MoJackso-L@rootsweb.com>, "KS-Wyandotte" <KSWyando-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 12:13 PM Below is a message that I'd like to share with you. The person saw the obituary index that I posted and asked for Julia CROKER's obit. It's responses like this that encourages me to continue my efforts. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: RE: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS Dear Mr. OBrien, I wish to thank you for this information. This has told me what no-one alive in the family knew, where the family lived after coming from Ireland. God Bless You and Yours! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com To: Subject: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:23:51 -0600 "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, May 19, 1920 Mrs. Julia CROKER, 507 North Fifth street, Kansas Side, died yesterday at St. Margaret's hospital. Mrs. CROKER had lived on the Kansas Side forty years. She is survived by two sons, John CROKER and Patrick CROKER, both of the home, and a daughter, Mrs. H. B. STEMPLEMAN, 415 Indiana avenue. Funeral services will be at 9 o'clock this morning at St. Mary's church, Kansas Side; burial in Mount Calvary cemetery. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:24 AM Subject: 1920 obits Hello Mr. OBrien, I am interested in an old post of 1920 obits of KC. A Julia Croker is listed an I am curious of the contents. I believe her to be my father's aunt. Any info you may be able to send would be gladly appreciated. Thank you, Richard Croker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is an interesting site to explore: http://www.kclibrary.org/kchistory/genealogy (Thank you M.)

John, Please know that you are so appreciated. You unlock doors for us, and speaking for myself, you have helped me so very much. Your postings provide motivation and help provide direction. And encouragement. Again, thank you for being there. Teresa Dugan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John O'Brien" <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> To: "KansasCity" <KansasCity@rootsweb.com>; "MoJackson" <MoJackso-L@rootsweb.com>; "KS-Wyandotte" <KSWyando-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: [KANSASCITY] feed back > Below is a message that I'd like to share with you. > > The person saw the obituary index that I posted and asked for Julia > CROKER's obit. > > It's responses like this that encourages me to continue my efforts. > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:55 AM > Subject: RE: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS > > > Dear Mr. OBrien, > I wish to thank you for this information. This has told me what no-one > alive in the family knew, where the family lived after coming from > Ireland. > God Bless You and Yours! > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com > To: > Subject: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:23:51 -0600 > > > "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, May 19, 1920 > > Mrs. Julia CROKER, 507 North Fifth street, Kansas Side, > died yesterday at St. Margaret's hospital. Mrs. CROKER > had lived on the Kansas Side forty years. > > She is survived by two sons, John CROKER and Patrick > CROKER, both of the home, and a daughter, Mrs. H. B. > STEMPLEMAN, 415 Indiana avenue. Funeral services > will be at 9 o'clock this morning at St. Mary's church, > Kansas Side; burial in Mount Calvary cemetery. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:24 AM > Subject: 1920 obits > > > Hello Mr. OBrien, > > > I am interested in an old post of 1920 obits of KC. A Julia Croker is > listed an I am curious of the contents. I believe her to be my father's > aunt. Any info you may be able to send would be gladly appreciated. > Thank you, > Richard Croker > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John; there are hundreds of just such thoughts out there. You and all other web masters and abstractors and indexers, have our everlasting blessings. I began indexing for my own benefit, then shared those indexes in publications for societies, and now being house bound, am enjoying the fruit of other's labors. I do wish more person would chronically there own community as we each see thru different eyes the events of the day. Bud. CROKER's obit. It's responses like this that encourages me to continue my efforts. John

This is terrific, John! Thanks for sharing this with all of us. I know you have helped me tremendously in the past. ~kate ---------------- > Below is a message that I'd like to share with you. > > The person saw the obituary index that I posted and asked for Julia > CROKER's obit. > > It's responses like this that encourages me to continue my efforts. > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:55 AM > Subject: RE: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS > > > Dear Mr. OBrien, > I wish to thank you for this information. This has told me what no-one > alive in the family knew, where the family lived after coming from > Ireland. > God Bless You and Yours! > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com > To: > Subject: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:23:51 -0600 > > > "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, May 19, 1920 > > Mrs. Julia CROKER, 507 North Fifth street, Kansas Side, > died yesterday at St. Margaret's hospital. Mrs. CROKER > had lived on the Kansas Side forty years. > > She is survived by two sons, John CROKER and Patrick > CROKER, both of the home, and a daughter, Mrs. H. B. > STEMPLEMAN, 415 Indiana avenue. Funeral services > will be at 9 o'clock this morning at St. Mary's church, > Kansas Side; burial in Mount Calvary cemetery. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:24 AM > Subject: 1920 obits > > > Hello Mr. OBrien, > > > I am interested in an old post of 1920 obits of KC. A Julia Croker is > listed an I am curious of the contents. I believe her to be my father's > aunt. Any info you may be able to send would be gladly appreciated. > Thank you, > Richard Croker > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John:   Can you tell me where you are getting all of the obits you post. As I mentioned in a previous e-mail, I have had family tied to Wyandotte County since the 1860's.  But I don't have many date of death for them.  Therefore, looking for an obit is a needle in a haystack.   Jeff Day --- On Fri, 1/9/09, John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> wrote: From: John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> Subject: [KANSASCITY] feed back To: "KansasCity" <KansasCity@rootsweb.com>, "MoJackson" <MoJackso-L@rootsweb.com>, "KS-Wyandotte" <KSWyando-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 12:13 PM Below is a message that I'd like to share with you. The person saw the obituary index that I posted and asked for Julia CROKER's obit. It's responses like this that encourages me to continue my efforts. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: RE: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS Dear Mr. OBrien, I wish to thank you for this information. This has told me what no-one alive in the family knew, where the family lived after coming from Ireland. God Bless You and Yours! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com To: Subject: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:23:51 -0600 "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, May 19, 1920 Mrs. Julia CROKER, 507 North Fifth street, Kansas Side, died yesterday at St. Margaret's hospital. Mrs. CROKER had lived on the Kansas Side forty years. She is survived by two sons, John CROKER and Patrick CROKER, both of the home, and a daughter, Mrs. H. B. STEMPLEMAN, 415 Indiana avenue. Funeral services will be at 9 o'clock this morning at St. Mary's church, Kansas Side; burial in Mount Calvary cemetery. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:24 AM Subject: 1920 obits Hello Mr. OBrien, I am interested in an old post of 1920 obits of KC. A Julia Croker is listed an I am curious of the contents. I believe her to be my father's aunt. Any info you may be able to send would be gladly appreciated. Thank you, Richard Croker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Below is a message that I'd like to share with you. The person saw the obituary index that I posted and asked for Julia CROKER's obit. It's responses like this that encourages me to continue my efforts. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: RE: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS Dear Mr. OBrien, I wish to thank you for this information. This has told me what no-one alive in the family knew, where the family lived after coming from Ireland. God Bless You and Yours! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com To: Subject: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:23:51 -0600 "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, May 19, 1920 Mrs. Julia CROKER, 507 North Fifth street, Kansas Side, died yesterday at St. Margaret's hospital. Mrs. CROKER had lived on the Kansas Side forty years. She is survived by two sons, John CROKER and Patrick CROKER, both of the home, and a daughter, Mrs. H. B. STEMPLEMAN, 415 Indiana avenue. Funeral services will be at 9 o'clock this morning at St. Mary's church, Kansas Side; burial in Mount Calvary cemetery. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:24 AM Subject: 1920 obits Hello Mr. OBrien, I am interested in an old post of 1920 obits of KC. A Julia Croker is listed an I am curious of the contents. I believe her to be my father's aunt. Any info you may be able to send would be gladly appreciated. Thank you, Richard Croker

John,   This is why we all love you. You have given all of us pieces of our puzzles without asking anything in return. I think other genealogy lists are a little jealous of us because they don't have anyone as dedicated as you. Thank you,   Anita in MO --- On Fri, 1/9/09, John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> wrote: From: John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> Subject: [KANSASCITY] feed back To: "KansasCity" <KansasCity@rootsweb.com>, "MoJackson" <MoJackso-L@rootsweb.com>, "KS-Wyandotte" <KSWyando-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 12:13 PM Below is a message that I'd like to share with you. The person saw the obituary index that I posted and asked for Julia CROKER's obit. It's responses like this that encourages me to continue my efforts. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: RE: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS Dear Mr. OBrien, I wish to thank you for this information. This has told me what no-one alive in the family knew, where the family lived after coming from Ireland. God Bless You and Yours! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com To: Subject: Julia CROKER d. 18 May 1920 - Kansas City, KS Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:23:51 -0600 "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, May 19, 1920 Mrs. Julia CROKER, 507 North Fifth street, Kansas Side, died yesterday at St. Margaret's hospital. Mrs. CROKER had lived on the Kansas Side forty years. She is survived by two sons, John CROKER and Patrick CROKER, both of the home, and a daughter, Mrs. H. B. STEMPLEMAN, 415 Indiana avenue. Funeral services will be at 9 o'clock this morning at St. Mary's church, Kansas Side; burial in Mount Calvary cemetery. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: johnobrien@kc.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:24 AM Subject: 1920 obits Hello Mr. OBrien, I am interested in an old post of 1920 obits of KC. A Julia Croker is listed an I am curious of the contents. I believe her to be my father's aunt. Any info you may be able to send would be gladly appreciated. Thank you, Richard Croker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Okay, we also have that one for Sam. He was a brother of Edith and one of Mary's sons. His descendants seem to have known the most about her, but still not enough. By all accounts Sam was a really nice guy. I must have met him as a child visiting there, but unfortunately I don't remember him. The obit I would really like to have would be Be's, who died in 1918, the closest to Mary's death. But it seems they didn't write one for him. Thanks very much for looking. > Yes it is the one from the Cheyenne Star. I also found one for Samuel > Warren Gillispie. IVY

No, we don't know of any Grover. Of course, there could be a connection much farther back. The Gillispies came to Missouri straight from Kentucky (Boonesborough area), so I also don't know of any Illinois connections. Doesn't sound like a match--sorry! > Steve: Should have included the following information on Grover C. > Gillispie: > > Per 1930 census age was 45 (b. 1885); b. MO; both parents b. IL; age at > first marriage: 19; occupation 1930 "shipping clerk at soap company". I > remember him from childhood and have his picture taken with my grandmother > and some of her children. > > Marian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marian Sarantha" <marians@vcn.com> > To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] Mary Finch Gillispie > > >> Steve: Does a "Grover C. Gillispie" fit into your family? Just a straw, >> but my grandmother married (and shortly divorced) him in K.C. >> >> Regards, >> >> Marian >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steven Gillispie" <gillisp@earthlink.net> >> To: <kansascity@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 1:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [KANSASCITY] Mary Finch Gillispie >> >> >>> Is this the one in the Cheyenne Star? If so, we have it. If not, please >>> send it along! But even there, it's wrong--in 1891 they were all still >>> in >>> Missouri, and Edith is shown in the 1900 census living in Carroll County, >>> Missouri, with that same grandmother. Nobody's stories about those times >>> quite seem to be correct. >>> >>> Anyway, this Edith is another daughter of the Mystery Mary. The Mary >>> mentioned in the first line of the obit is her. But it only talks about >>> her >>> husband, not her, just like everything else that turns up about that >>> family. >>> >>> Thank you for looking, though!! And I really appreciate all of the help >>> and >>> suggestions that everybody has sent me about this. I definitely promise >>> that if I ever find out what happened I will post it here for everybody >>> to >>> read. Closure to mysteries is a good thing, right?!! >>> >>> >>>> Steven, I found an obit for Edith Gillispie, daughter of Warren and Mary >>>> Gillispie. Born August 11, 1881 Bosworth, MO. >>>> >>>> Would this be a sister to Mary? Have you seen it? Will send it you >>>> would >>>> like. IVY >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Steve Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message --- Steve Gillispie <gillisp@earthlink.net>

Yes it is the one from the Cheyenne Star. I also found one for Samuel Warren Gillispie. IVY

Le; Because they are photocopy of original, they are as good as the original but because the indexing was done by people errors do and can occur. So all items must be proved by I hope a couple of others and conflict noted. Census record when it come to age are notorious for age variances. Alfterall It is the age as reported, not proven, or even guessed at by neighbor or pastor again using date supplied by someone. Informants on death certificates are frequently wrong for many reasons. This is why display of documents is important , then it is up to each to decide which fact they believe to be closes to truth. w path. I know that Franklin Dubois was often called Captain Frank Dubois, as he was that rank during the Civil War. His wife was daughter of a banker in Ohio, and he seemed to be well known there. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leemae, Franklin DuBOIS's daughter, died on 30 Sept 1919 "The Kansas City Star" (Missouri) October 1, 1919 Mrs. Blanche DuBOIS TAUBMAN, a daughter of the late Col. Frank A. DuBOIS and known in Kansas City musical circles several years ago as a harpist, died last week in Corona, N.M. Burial was in Lexington, Mo.

Let me advise you to take the information especially in the pre 1910 records with a large grain of salt. We can't even find a death record for grandpa K's sister, altho the cemetery has a record of her burial and from which undertaker she came, her death certificate from the City records gives me a 40 yr. old lady who died of exhaustion with a similar name (Pearl)filed as our Pearl, who was a 4 yr. old child in 1900. One of the clerks noticed this and drew it to my attention with a post it note when I sent off for the city records. The hand written list of deaths from Mid Continent Library in Independence lists the 40 year old lady, but nothing for the little girl and I was given the photo copy of the entire page in the death book... so no, you can't exactly trust the accuracy of the past records when dealing with public employees. Same with another great grandmother who died after 1890 in Kansas City. All the facts match fairly well until it comes to her age and the fact she must have had her first child at the age of 12 or 13, immigrated as a child herself from Darmstadt Germany, come on out to Ohio/Indiana to marry grandpa who was from Bavaria and that, altho she is listed as a widow of Frank in the City Directory of KCMO in l891-92, no one has a record of him dying..either in Missouri or Ohio or Indiana. So, I just include the Darmstadt grandma as being "fairly accurate" and put her information in my binder. And where they were buried was not entered in the records I have seen to date either. In a message dated 1/8/2009 8:50:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, lemaes63@msn.com writes: Hello, I am wondering if anyone knows how the death records were posted online. Were they transcribed by hand from the original? I had asked about obituaries and the Little Sisters of the Poor organization on my last posting on this list. The library couldn't find obituaries for me. But, I did find some differences in the information I have right now. The online death record gave Franklin Asbury Dubois the age of 80 in 1919, and the lady who lived with his family as a servant and had died the same year was given the age of 68. But, in the 1880, 1900 and 1910 censuses they were always the same age. A young lady related to Franklin who has a site online for him gave his death year as 1916. I am not sure who to believe. Normally, I would pick the death record for accuracy, but I have had an error on one other family member, when the information was given by a second wife who did not really know the parents of the deceased and gave his son's name as the parents name. So I guess you ki! nd of have to be careful about trusting the informants information. Would anyone be able to suggest a new path. I know that Franklin Dubois was often called Captain Frank Dubois, as he was that rank during the Civil War. His wife was daughter of a banker in Ohio, and he seemed to be well known there. His fortunes may have slipped or something but I was surprised there was no obituary for him. Even if he hadn't lived in Missouri very long at the time of his death. I am so hoping to find out about his relationship to his "servant" Julia, as she may very well be my husband's great-grandmother who went missing. Thank you, Leemae from Mi. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KANSASCITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002)