DOGAN, GERSDORF, KENNEY, PEASE, PURSLEY, WEST "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Wednesday, November 20, 1901 DEATHS. Vera G. WEST; 1229 Washington; November 15; suicide; aged 25 J. S. PEASE; 714 Walnut; November 17; nephritis; age 55 Stanley PURSLEY; 314 East Seventeenth; November 18; typhoid fever; age 20 John KENNEY; 711 West Twelfth; November 17; railroad accident; age 29 Paul H. GERSDORF, 1507 East Seventeenth; suicide; October 27; age 17 Charles DOGAN; 1663 West Prospect; November 14; railroad accident; age 35 (Note: the above was published in the newspaper's death column. I don't have obits.) ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================

BEENSTEED, CLARK, DOLDE, HANLEY, HUNTER, McCARTHY, NACHBOR, SCHILLING, SCHMIDT, SCHLOSSER, SMITH, TAYLOR, WRIGHT "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Wednesday, November 20, 1901 BIRTHS. J. and Nellie SCHLOSSER; 2133 Belleview; November 16; boy Robert and Carrie B. BEENSTEED; 710 West Eleventh; November 11; boy F. M. and K. A. McCARTHY; 2031 Penn; November 15; boy T. and Mrs. HANLEY; Twenty-sixth and Brighton; November 2; girl Fritz and Anne DOLDE; 1333 Quincy; November 11; girl John M. and Viola SCHILLING; 4004 East Thirteenth; November 8; girl E. M. and Mabel M. SMITH; 2412 Woodland; November 11; girl Joseph and Mary NACHBOR; 2013 Allen avenue; November 17; girl A. C. and Ida M. WRIGHT; 1312 Holmes; November 9 (or 10); boy F. M and V. L. SCHMIDT; 5619 East Seventeenth; November 16; boy James and Edna HUNTER; city hospital; November 18; girl George and Kate TAYLOR (African-American); 551 Lydia; November 16; girl J. C. and M. E. CLARK; 2421 Main; November 16; boy ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================

In a message dated 6/11/2003 2:24:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, sew_what_2000@yahoo.com writes: > The point I guess is: Don't give up just > because you can't find a marriage license. Just try > all the different sources you can. > > Anita, Amen to that. And frankly, I am inclined to put more reliance on the accuracy of church records than civil records, overall. Regards, Ted Snediker

Ted, Yes, I believe that there were some couples that changed their minds or went elsewhere to marry, but in my great-grandparents' case I did find church records that verify that they did indeed get married in Chicago. The point I guess is: Don't give up just because you can't find a marriage license. Just try all the different sources you can. Anita in MO --- TedSned@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/11/2003 9:07:03 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > sew_what_2000@yahoo.com writes: > > > According to the > > county offices, an application was filled out, but > the > > papers were never returned to their office to be > > filed. I don't think they understood they were > > supposed to. > > Or, that the marriage never took place. A marriage > license does not > necessarily prove that a marriage took place or > when, any more than a getting a > fishing license proved that you went fishing. I > don't know how it was in the > Chicago area, but in most places I have researched, > marriage returns were supplied > by the clergyman or justice of the peace who > performed the marriage ceremony, > and not by the presumably happy and no doubt > distracted newlyweds. It did > sometimes happen that there was a change of heart > after the license was issued, or > that the couple decided to elope and were married in > a different > jurisdiction. > > Your point about the spotty record of compliance > during the early years of > mandatory vital record keeping is well made. There > are all kinds of frustrating > gaps in the records of most states, I think, at > least during the late 1800s. > > Regards, > Ted Snediker > > > ==== KansasCity Mailing List ==== > USGENWEB SEARCH ARCHIVES > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

In a message dated 6/11/2003 9:07:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, sew_what_2000@yahoo.com writes: > According to the > county offices, an application was filled out, but the > papers were never returned to their office to be > filed. I don't think they understood they were > supposed to. Or, that the marriage never took place. A marriage license does not necessarily prove that a marriage took place or when, any more than a getting a fishing license proved that you went fishing. I don't know how it was in the Chicago area, but in most places I have researched, marriage returns were supplied by the clergyman or justice of the peace who performed the marriage ceremony, and not by the presumably happy and no doubt distracted newlyweds. It did sometimes happen that there was a change of heart after the license was issued, or that the couple decided to elope and were married in a different jurisdiction. Your point about the spotty record of compliance during the early years of mandatory vital record keeping is well made. There are all kinds of frustrating gaps in the records of most states, I think, at least during the late 1800s. Regards, Ted Snediker

FLEETWOOD, MC CLARY, HUMPHRIES, CREW, UNDERWOOD John, thanks a lot for posting my great grandmother's obit to the lists, and for sending it to me some time back. Ardena (MC CLARY) FLEETWOOD's surviving half-brothers and -sister were: James L. CREW, Larkin B. CREW, Henrietta (CREW) UNDERWOOD, and William H. CREW, children of the second marriage of Syntha J. (HUMPHRIES) MC CLARY and John J. CREW, Jr. Ardena's father was Clark MC CLARY, Syntha's first husband. Some of the above lived in KCK + Chariton and Carroll counties MO. Joyce, Dolores CO rjl@fone.net

I would like to add a couple of comments to this discussion. I finally gave up on finding a marriage licence for my great-grandparents in Chicago in 1882. The reason was that although a marriage license was required, they (and also the minister who married them)spoke very little English. According to the county offices, an application was filled out, but the papers were never returned to their office to be filed. I don't think they understood they were supposed to. This could have happened in Kansas City also. Either because of misunderstanding or sometimes because they felt like it was none of the government's business people didn't comply with the filing rules in the early years. Some of us will probably never find those precious documents we hope will give us the missing "piece to our puzzle". If you know the church where they were married, I would suggest trying to find the church records. They sometimes have more information then the marriage certificate anyway. Hope this helps some of you. Anita in MO --- John O'Brien <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> wrote: > The Jackson County marriage index starts with 1827 > (about the time the > County was organized) and here's what is stated in > one of the books I have: > "Often a minister or Justice of the Peace would > perform a marriage in an > outlying area and then wait until he was in > Independence to record the > marriage in the courthouse." And: "Since the > person who performed the > marriage did the actual writing in the Recorder's > book, there are many > different styles and qualities of penmanship." > > So although it may be true that a marriage license > was not necessary prior > to 1881, the recording of Jackson County marriages > at the courthouse started > in 1827 at Independence and beginning in 1881, > Jackson County marriages were > recorded at one of two courthouses: Independence or > Kansas City. > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Pozzydaz@aol.com> > To: <KansasCity-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: [KansasCity] Independence, MO - news > items - 12 April 1881 > > > > In a message dated 6/9/2003 11:58:38 PM Mountain > Daylight Time, > > JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com writes: > > > > > Dave WALLACE has been very much worried of late > by parties applying for > > > license to marry. We will state for the benefit > of all that the law > requiring > > > license does not take effect for several weeks, > and that everybody can > marry > > > now without license --- everybody willing, of > course. > > > > > > > Is this right????????? No wonder we have problems > finding records. > > This is the first time I've heard of this. How > about others????????? > > > > Pat F. > > > > > ==== KansasCity Mailing List ==== > USGENWEB SEARCH ARCHIVES > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com

"The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Tuesday, November 19, 1901 Peter FITZGERALD, a bartender at the Century hotel, was thrown from a Troost avenue cable car as it turned the corner into Grand avenue coming up from the Junction about 7 o'clock last night. It was thought at first that he was seriously injured, but after being taken to the station he was able to walk home. ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================

ABSHER, BEACHAM, COFFEY, DeMAR, DOWELL, FISHER, IGEL, JOHNSON, LINDELL, SULLIVAN, THALER, THOMAS "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Tuesday, November 19, 1901 MARRIAGE LICENSES. Joseph THALER, Kansas City, Mo .........51 Margaret FISHER, Kansas City, Mo .......37 G. W. THOMAS, Jr., Kansas City, Mo ......24 Daisy B. ABSHER, Kansas City, Mo ........23 Charles LINDELL, Kansas City, Mo ...............21 Amanda JOHNSON, Kansas City, Mo ...........28 William DOWELL, Kansas City, Mo ......23 Dora BEACHAM, Joplin, Mo .................33 Robert COFFEY, St. Joseph, Mo ..................25 Katherine SULLIVAN, Kansas City, Mo .........23 Seth DeMAR, Hamilton, Mo ..............24 Mary IGEL, Hamilton, Mo .................22 ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================

BECKMAN, DOGAN, HARTFORD, JACKSON, LANGSTON, McCOY, NAFZIGER, PELTZMAN, RAMP, ROSE, TAYLOR, WHITCOMB "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Tuesday, November 19, 1901 DEATHS. Ida D. BECKMAN; 2027 Park; November 15; paralysis; age 1 Abbie E. HARTFORD; 605 East Thirteenth; November 16; carcinoma; age 37 Allen WHITCOMB; 431 North Oakley; November 17; typhoid fever; age 23 Clarence M. RAMP; 1101 1/2 Vine; November 16; typhoid fever; age 8 Johanna E. NAFZIGER; 623 Prospect; November 16; heart disease; age 47 Charles DOGAN; 1663 West Prospect; November 14; railroad accident; age 35 Issie PELTZMAN; 1910 Oak; November 16; scarlet fever; age 1 Julia LANGSTON; 510 1/2 May; November 14; pneumonia; age 33 Chris W. ROSE; 302 East Seventeenth; November 15; apoplexy; age 36 S. D. JACKSON; Twelfth and Baltimore; November 16; cystitis; age 77 Thomas A. McCOY; 617 Woodland; November 17; appendicitis; age 34 John TAYLOR; city hospital; November 14; tuberculosis; age 44 (Note: the above was published in the newspaper's death column. I don't have obits.) ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================

BLOOM, BRODMERKLE, BRYANT, CARIGIO, CARPENTER, CONNOR, DIECKERT, DONOVAN, GABBLE, HOWE, JONES, KIMBLE, TANKERSLY, WINN "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Tuesday, November 19, 1901 BIRTHS. Theodore and Mary DIECKERT; 1602 Paseo; November 15; girl Earl and Mina M. JONES; 2600 Grand; November 15; girl T. A. and Blanche CONNOR; 1223 Askew; November 15; boy Washington and Laura GABBLE; 1010 East Fourteenth; November 15; girl John J. and Margaret A. DONOVAN; Second and Alton avenue; November 15; girl G. and G. CARIGIO; 408 Campbell; November 16; girl John F. and Frances M. WINN; 1818 Woodland; November 7; boy E. R. and Louie BRODMERKLE; 4408 Kenwood; November 14; boy George C. and Lizzie CARPENTER; 1012 Woodland; November 13; boy John A. and Elizabeth BRYANT; 3403 Woodland; November 16; boy Abe and Rachel BLOOM; 1815 Grand; November 8; girl I. B. and Lilly L. KIMBLE; 809 Pacific; November 11; boy Charles A. and Agnes HOWE; 1523 East Eighteenth; November 15; boy Will and May TANKERSLY; 2536 Southwest boulevard; November 14; boy ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================

The Jackson County marriage index starts with 1827 (about the time the County was organized) and here's what is stated in one of the books I have: "Often a minister or Justice of the Peace would perform a marriage in an outlying area and then wait until he was in Independence to record the marriage in the courthouse." And: "Since the person who performed the marriage did the actual writing in the Recorder's book, there are many different styles and qualities of penmanship." So although it may be true that a marriage license was not necessary prior to 1881, the recording of Jackson County marriages at the courthouse started in 1827 at Independence and beginning in 1881, Jackson County marriages were recorded at one of two courthouses: Independence or Kansas City. John ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pozzydaz@aol.com> To: <KansasCity-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [KansasCity] Independence, MO - news items - 12 April 1881 > In a message dated 6/9/2003 11:58:38 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com writes: > > > Dave WALLACE has been very much worried of late by parties applying for > > license to marry. We will state for the benefit of all that the law requiring > > license does not take effect for several weeks, and that everybody can marry > > now without license --- everybody willing, of course. > > > > Is this right????????? No wonder we have problems finding records. > This is the first time I've heard of this. How about others????????? > > Pat F.

In a message dated 6/9/2003 11:58:38 PM Mountain Daylight Time, JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com writes: > Dave WALLACE has been very much worried of late by parties applying for > license to marry. We will state for the benefit of all that the law requiring > license does not take effect for several weeks, and that everybody can marry > now without license --- everybody willing, of course. > Is this right????????? No wonder we have problems finding records. This is the first time I've heard of this. How about others????????? Pat F.

Thank you, John...will follow-up on your suggestion to check out the Jesse James Message Board. Appreciate the idea...thanks, again. Paul ...Your family is one of nature's masterpieces (my fortune-cookie fortune!)

BOGGS, BRADLEY, BUCKNER, CASTALLO, CLARK, FORBIS, FOSTER, JEMISON, KERR, KING, McCURDY, NOLAND, PACKARD, PEACOCK, RICHARDSON, SLOVER, WAGGONER, WAITE, WALLACE, YEAGER "The Kansas City Daily Times" (Missouri) Tuesday, April 12, 1881 INDEPENDENCE ITEMS. Judge William PEACOCK is quite sick. J. H. SLOVER was absent in Kansas City yesterday, in attendance upon the Circuit court. F. F. YEAGER has sold his lumber yard, and will soon leave for Kentucky, the home of his childhood. Chas. H. CLARK is absent in Jefferson City and B. C. KERR is pushing the pencil for him during his absence. The usual negro "festible" took place Saturday night, but the officers were on the watch, and arrested five for various misdemeanors. Tully BUCKNER, son of Walker BUCKNER, a former resident of this city, is here on a visit to relatives. His parents reside in Milwaukee, Wis. There are at present confined in the jail at this place nine persons, seven males and two females, most of them serving sentence for misdemeanors. BRADLEY, the embezzler, left yesterday for the penitentiary. He expressed himself as anxious to commence his sentence, and that the two years would soon go by. Mr. Henry WAITE, of the firm of FORBIS & WAITE, has sold out his interest in the firm to a gentleman from Saline county. Mr. WAITE will hereafter act as foreman in the shop. Criminal court will be in session here Friday, when a decision will be rendered in the motion for new trial of Mrs. Sarah KING, whom a jury gave three years for abortion. A great many Kansas City people took advantage of the splendid roads Sunday and drove to this city to admire our pretty streets and pleasant drives. All were in favor of the boulevard. Mr. Thomas CASTALLO, an old resident of this city, died at his home in the northern part of this city Sunday, at the advanced age of seventy years; funeral to-day from the Catholic church. The members of the German Lutheran church of this city will give a festival at the opera house on the 20th, the proceeds to be used in the erection of their church on South Liberty street. Joe RICHARDSON and Henry NOLAND were arrested Saturday night for carrying concealed weapons. RICHARDSON was fined $5 and costs, and Noland $1 and costs. Both paid and gave up their "pops." Mr. FOSTER, of WAGGONER's mill, has purchased the property known as the old BOGGS homestead, paying $1,800 for it. He will soon begin the erection of an $8,000 residence, and otherwise improve the property. Mr. John McCURDY, the gentleman who lost his pocket-book several days ago, had it brought to him by a man living near Wayne City, but there was just $40 less money in it than when it was lost. No reward was called for. Two drunken painters were arrested Saturday night for assaulting Joe JEMISON. They languished in the calaboose till yesterday morning when they were brought before his honor and fined $4.75 each. They will go to the rock pile. Mrs. Louise PACKARD will give a grand concert at the opera house on the 19th. This event has been looked for by our amusement loving people with much pleasure, and it promises to be all that could be asked in the way of good music, both vocal and instrumental. Dave WALLACE has been very much worried of late by parties applying for license to marry. We will state for the benefit of all that the law requiring license does not take effect for several weeks, and that everybody can marry now without license --- everybody willing, of course. The first number of the "Independent," or the "Crisis" under its new name, made its appearance last Sunday. The managers claim to have secured the services of a religious editor, but it can never compare with the "Times," the great religious paper of Jackson county, J. M. PEACOCK agent and correspondent. ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================

FORRESS, GARGOTTA, HART, JOHNSON, MOORESMAN, THOMAS "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Saturday, November 16, 1901 DEATHS. Paul MOORESMAN; 2308 Forest; November 14; entero colitis; 3 years R. T. JOHNSON; St. Mary's Hospital; November 12; typhoid fever; 34 years Emily HART; 3000 East Twelfth; November 14; heart disease; 59 years Gilson B. THOMAS; 920 1/2 Garfield; (no date given) cancer of liver; 70 years Raymond FORRESS; 1004 East Twelfth; November 13; appendicitis; 23 years Augustine GARGOTTA; German Hospital; (no date given) personia anaemia; 14 years (Note: the above was published in the newspaper's death column. I don't have obits.) ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================

COLF, DONOVAN, DOWNER, HAMMER, POLLEY, RONEY, ROOS, SLOAN, STILES, WEAVER, WHITE "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Saturday, November 16, 1901 BIRTHS. Arthur M. and Hattie J. WHITE; 2937 Euclid; November 11; boy Grover J. and Ida M. SLOAN; 1827 East Eighteenth; November 10; boy Thomas and Mary WEAVER; 1230 Highland; November 11; boy Willer and Clara STILES; 133 Cypress; November 10; girl W. W. and L. DOWNER; 1618 Holmes; November 13; girl E. O. and Mrs. COLF; 1615 Walrond; November 6; girl Harvey T. and Henrietta HAMMER; 3034 College; November 13; boy George F. and Susie RONEY; 2623 Askew; November 13; girl William A. and Annie DONOVAN; 9 1/2 East Fifth; November 7; girl Harry M. and Edith POLLEY; Eleventh and Troost; November 14; girl Joseph V. and Elizabeth ROOS; 2311 College; November 10; girl ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Monday, April 25, 1904 The funeral of Annie KRUSE, who died Friday at her home at 2156 Newell avenue, Kansas City, Kas., was held yesterday afternoon. Burial was in Quindaro cemetery. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this person but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Monday, April 25, 1904 The funeral of T. P. McLAUGHLIN, who died last Sunday at Las Vegas, N. M., was held yesterday afternoon from St. Bridget's Catholic church at First street and Reynolds avenue, Kansas City, Kas. Burial was in St. John's cemetery. The funeral was largely attended. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this person but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Monday, April 25, 1904 Thomas PEDIGO, 41 years old, died yesterday of pneumonia at St. Margaret's hospital in Kansas City, Kas. PEDIGO was a son of Mrs. Mary A. PEDIGO, a widow who lives with her son-in-law, George K. ADDISON, at 808 North Tenth street. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this person but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) ======================================================