Jimmye Lou, I found four TURPINs at Elmwood Cemetery. As I said earlier, there is one RAMBO there also. It's a long shot, but if these people connect to Elza, there's a chance she might be buried there. I'd suggest that you contact Elmwood and see if they have a record of her. If so, they should be able to give you a death and/or burial date. Elmwood Cemetery 4900 E. Truman Road Kansas City, MO 64127 phone: 816- 231-0373 Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, MO Block 4, Lot 228 Ida Burnette TURPIN - interred June 5, 1905 baby TURPIN - interred July 23, 1905 Charles TURPIN - interred March 4, 1917 John B. TURPIN - interred March 22, 1920 John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John O'Brien" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [KansasCity] Obit Elza Hassler Turpin RAMBO Sep 1937 - 1940 B Mo1899 > Jimmye Lou, I checked the cemetery books I have and did not find Elza > Hassler RAMBO. You could contact the state for a death certificate. > Their fee is $15, which includes a 5 year search. Web address: > > http://www.health.state.mo.us/BirthAndDeathRecords/BirthAndDeathRecords.html > > > I did find the following RAMBOs. (Because the cemetery books were > compiled from tombstone readings, it's possible that Elza is at one of > these cemeteries without a tombstone. You may want to contact the > cemetery to see if they have a record of her.) > > Mound Grove Cemetery, Independence, MO > RAMBO: > Alta May > Doris E. > Harold W. > Ivy > Sarah J. > William C. Sr. > William Curtis > > Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, MO > Jane RAMBO, interred April 20, 1916 > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmye Lou whittington" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:29 PM > Subject: [KansasCity] Obit Elza Hassler Turpin RAMBO Sep 1937 - 1940 B > Mo1899 > > >> Hassler, Elza b 1899 Osage Co Mo >> >> >> Hearsay tells me that Elza Hassler Rambo >> committed suicide in Kansas City around Labor Day >> somewhere about 1935 - 1940. >> Do you have lookup ability for this. >> I haven't been successful in finding her on a >> census sonce 1920 when she was listed as >> Elza Hassler a boarder inhome of Wm. A. Oberkrom. >> >> Thanks >> [email protected] >> >

Jimmye Lou, I found Elza's marriages. Do you have this data? Floyd R. TURPIN - Elza HASSLER -- married June 7, 1922 James E. RAMBO - Elza TURPIN ----- married July 10, 1937 It would appear that she committed suicide after July 10, 1937! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmye Lou whittington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: [KansasCity] Obit Elza Hassler Turpin RAMBO Sep 1937 - 1940 B Mo1899 > Hassler, Elza b 1899 Osage Co Mo > > > Hearsay tells me that Elza Hassler Rambo > committed suicide in Kansas City around Labor Day > somewhere about 1935 - 1940. > Do you have lookup ability for this. > I haven't been successful in finding her on a > census sonce 1920 when she was listed as > Elza Hassler a boarder inhome of Wm. A. Oberkrom. > > Thanks >

Jimmye Lou, I checked the cemetery books I have and did not find Elza Hassler RAMBO. You could contact the state for a death certificate. Their fee is $15, which includes a 5 year search. Web address: http://www.health.state.mo.us/BirthAndDeathRecords/BirthAndDeathRecords.html I did find the following RAMBOs. (Because the cemetery books were compiled from tombstone readings, it's possible that Elza is at one of these cemeteries without a tombstone. You may want to contact the cemetery to see if they have a record of her.) Mound Grove Cemetery, Independence, MO RAMBO: Alta May Doris E. Harold W. Ivy Sarah J. William C. Sr. William Curtis Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, MO Jane RAMBO, interred April 20, 1916 John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmye Lou whittington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: [KansasCity] Obit Elza Hassler Turpin RAMBO Sep 1937 - 1940 B Mo1899 > Hassler, Elza b 1899 Osage Co Mo > > > Hearsay tells me that Elza Hassler Rambo > committed suicide in Kansas City around Labor Day > somewhere about 1935 - 1940. > Do you have lookup ability for this. > I haven't been successful in finding her on a > census sonce 1920 when she was listed as > Elza Hassler a boarder inhome of Wm. A. Oberkrom. > > Thanks > [email protected] >

Jimmye Lou, Do you have a John Harvey Rambo that married a Mary Kitchen? Their daughter Effie Mary Rambo married my husbands gr. uncle, Oregon T.Daykin. She had another marriage to a Henry Preston. Effie and Oregon T. Daykin had three boys. Orville, Mayburn & Ralph. I have very little info on this family. But keep hoping someone will be related to Effie and can supply some information on her family as to where they originated from. Shirley in OK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmye Lou whittington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: [KansasCity] Obit Elza Hassler Turpin RAMBO Sep 1937 - 1940 B Mo 1899 > Hassler, Elza b 1899 Osage Co Mo > > > Hearsay tells me that Elza Hassler Rambo > committed suicide in Kansas City around Labor Day > somewhere about 1935 - 1940. > Do you have lookup ability for this. > I haven't been successful in finding her on a > census sonce 1920 when she was listed as > Elza Hassler a boarder inhome of Wm. A. Oberkrom. > > Thanks > [email protected] > > > ==== KansasCity Mailing List ==== > [email protected] > List Administrator > Maureen Patt, ListMom > [email protected] > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hassler, Elza b 1899 Osage Co Mo Hearsay tells me that Elza Hassler Rambo committed suicide in Kansas City around Labor Day somewhere about 1935 - 1940. Do you have lookup ability for this. I haven't been successful in finding her on a census sonce 1920 when she was listed as Elza Hassler a boarder inhome of Wm. A. Oberkrom. Thanks [email protected]

BARNES, BECK, BLANCHON, BOPPART, BORGASON, BOWER, BROWN, DIEHLOW, GARRETT, HARRIS, HART, HEDGES, HEGGER, HIATT, KENNEDY, LINDSAY, LOCKART, MAYER, MILLER, ROYER, RUPPERT, SHAPIRO, STEWART, STRICKAND, SUTORLUS, THEE, WOLFERMAN, WRIGHT "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Wednesday, October 20, 1897 Come and have a good time; it costs you nothing. Bring your wife and friends. Tell your neighbors about it. This is the biggest thing that ever happened for Kansas City people who are desirous of furnishing their tables with the best the market affords. The following firms will be represented at this market: Union Tea Co. Kansas City Tea Co. C. J. DIEHLOW --- pickles Mrs. J. O. HART --- pickles A. SUTORLUS --- bakery T. E. BOWER --- fruits, etc. BROWN & MAYER --- candy kitchen J. A. BOPPART - fruit stand Fred WOLFERMAN --- meats J. F. HEGGER --- meats H. C. THEE --- meats HEDGES & ROYER --- meats T. J. BORGASON --- meats Simon SHAPIRO --- meats Dan'l BECK & Co. --- fish and oysters J. R. MILLER & Co. --- fish and oysters W. H. RUPPERT --- poultry and game E. M. LOCKART --- butter, eggs, cheese, etc. Jas. STEWART --- butter, eggs, cheese, etc. Miss KENNEDY --- butter, eggs, cheese, etc. J. W. STRICKAND --- butter, eggs, cheese, etc. H. M. LINDSAY --- retail produce S. WRIGHT--- retail produce J. H. HARRIS --- retail produce W. E. GARRETT --- retail produce I. G. HIATT --- retail produce I. B. BLANCHON --- wholesale produce W. J. BARNES --- florist SPECIAL FEATURES. Free Delivery System. Scales at all exits to guarantee correct weights. Cleanliness, Courteous Salespeople, everything designed for a modern market. ====================================================== (I have no connection with these families but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) [email protected] ======================================================

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Thursday, December 6, 1900 WIDOW ROBBED BY THUGS. Mrs. Mary ALLEN, a widow, was alone in her home at 421 Campbell street at 2 o'clock yesterday afternoon when some one knocked at the back door of her kitchen. When she opened it, a man was standing there and asked her for something to eat. She started to get him something and the man asked if he might come inside to eat it. The request was granted and he came inside, shut the door and pulled down the blinds. About that time there was a knock at a side door of the kitchen. When she opened this door another man stuck a revolver in her face and demanded her money. Then both of the robbers told her that it was money, not something to eat that they wanted and to get it quick. Almost frightened to death, she reached in her bosom and took out $35 in currency which she had concealed in a tobacco sack and gave it to them. They then left the premises at once and have not been seen since. George LADDON, a collector for a clothing house was the first to see Mrs. ALLEN after the robbery. He called at her home a few minutes after it occurred and found her in a prostrated condition caused from her fright. He immediately reported the matter to the police and some detectives were put on the case by Inspector HALPIN. One of the men, Mrs. ALLEN says, has a smooth face, the other wears a mustache. There was no doubt some parties had been hanging around and knew she was alone, else the attempt would not have been made in the middle of the day. The robbery coming so soon after the attack on Inspector HALPIN the night before makes the police department very anxious to capture them and an attempt will be made to rid the city of footpads and thieves. Mrs. ALLEN lives with her son, Thomas ALLEN, who is a plumber. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) [email protected] ======================================================

DARBY, HOWARD, RUSSO, SILK, SPATES "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Wednesday, December 5, 1900 BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED. (Kansas City, Mo) Brick boiler shop, Fifth & Washington streets, Harry DARBY, $3,000 Frame residence, 4114 East Seventh street, Toney RUSSO, $1,500 Frame residence, 2510 Bales avenue, E. SILK, $500 Frame residence, Thirty-first and Walrond avenue, E. SILK, $500 Frame residence, 2712 Holly street, Robert HOWARD, $1,200 Frame residence, 3225 St. John street, Martha P. SPATES, $3,000 ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these families but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) [email protected] ======================================================

"The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Monday, April 24, 1899 SALOON RUNNER DROPS DEAD. Harry BURER, a runner for a saloon at 1010 Union avenue, fell dead last nigh about 10 o'clock. He was 60 years old and had relatives in Pennsylvania. His death was caused by heart disease and alcoholism. Deputy Coroner LANGSDALE was called. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) [email protected] ======================================================

"The Kansas City Post" (Missouri) Friday, February 28, 1908 The county court this morning made an order allowing Christopher RUCKER the sum of $300 for injuries received by Mr. RUCKER from falling through an elevator shaft at the county court house. Mr. RUCKER accepted the allowance and waived all claims he might have against the county in an action for damages. Christopher RUCKER is an attorney. A short time ago he was seriously injured by falling down an elevator shaft from the fourth floor to the basement of the county court house. It is said that the accident was due to an inexperienced man who was operating the elevator at the time. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) [email protected] ======================================================

BAKER, SCOVILL, WHITEAKER Death of: Alva R. SCOVILL Date: Friday, February 16, 1968 Place: Bethany Hospital Age: 67 years Born: Franklin County, KS Residence: Kansas City, KS Occupation: barber Affiliations: member, Immanuel Baptist Church member, Order of the Eastern Star member, Roger E. Sherman Masonic lodge Survivors: Wife: Ida M. SCOVILL of the home Daughter: Mrs. Jean WHITEAKER, Los Angeles, CA Stepson: Charles BAKER, Pleasant Hill Grandchildren: 6 Reference: "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Saturday, February 17, 1968 ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) [email protected] ======================================================

REED, SEICHEPINE, SWEARENGIN Death of: Alfred SEICHEPINE Date: Friday, February 16, 1968 Place: at home Age: 61 years Born: Piper, Wyandotte County Residence: Wolcott, KS (20 years) Occupation: owned a general store Survivors: Wife: Anna SEICHEPINE of the home Son: Edward SEICHEPINE, Piper Daughter: Mrs. Anna Marie SWEARENGIN, Kansas City, KS Sister: Mrs. Violet REED, Leavenworth, KS Grandchildren: 4 Services: Funeral - 2 p.m., February 20, Davis Chapel, Leavenworth Burial - Mount Muncie cemetery, Leavenworth Reference: "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Saturday, February 17, 1968 ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) [email protected] ======================================================

BARTO, BILLINGS, ROEHM, WILKINSON "The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Thursday, February 21, 1901 FULLER'S EARTH AND PET ALLIGATORS Charles R. BARTO of the firm of Wilkinson & Barto, ticket brokers, at 1028½ Union avenue, is in River Junction, Fla. There is a large deposit of Fuller's earth near River Junction and Mr. BARTO has an idea that he would like to deal in this valuable stuff which is almost indispensable as a clarifier of crude oil. He may decide to buy an interest in the mine at River Junction before he returns to Kansas City. Fuller's earth is worth $25 a ton and as the Standard Oil company alone uses 250 car loads of it a year, it can be seen that there is some profit in its sale, as it costs little to mine it. Mr. BARTO sent his partner, Mr. WILKINSON, and his clerk, Bert ROEHM, two small alligators, which arrived Tuesday morning. The animals were objects of interest along Union avenue and in the hotels and barrooms, many persons watching them with interest because they had never seen one. C. J. BILLINGS, the ticket broker in the New Albany hotel, had never seen a live alligator and he was asleep in a chair when Mr. WILKINSON and Mr. ROEHM reached the hotel with their strange looking pets. One was strung on a long cane and by means of a string was lowered so as to touch the sleeper's hands which were crossed in front of him. Mr. BILLINGS jumped and waved his hands when the clammy flesh of the animal struck his hands. One hand struck the alligator and it was thrown several feet away. When BILLINGS woke up he said he had dreamed that he had "snakes." It took a half hour for him to recover his nerve. ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful. [email protected]) ======================================================

ANGELLA, BOYER, BURDOO, CARROLL, CHISHOLM, DeROBERTIS, DUSSELLER, FAIR, GOLDMAN, KUNKLER, LEMBARD, LERNER, LOCKWOOD, LOWE, SELDEN, SELIGSOHN, SPAULING, SPECTRE, WIGGINS "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Friday, September 28, 1917 RECORD OF BIRTHS. L. & O. W. ANGELLA, 1214 E. 8th, Sept. 16, boy R. V. & V. B. BOYER, 3026 Campbell, Sept. 23, girl L. & F. Z. BURDOO, 3420 Roberts, Sept. 7, boy J. J. & S. S. CARROLL, 3718 Agnes, Sept, 22, girl H. C. & B. CHISHOLM, 3818 Anderson, Sept. 25, boy N. & A. A. DeROBERTIS, 1320 E. 9th, Sept. 1, girl V. & E. S. DUSSELLER, 46th & Hardesty, Sept. 16, boy A. L. & F. FAIR, 1415 Bellefontaine, Sept. 25, boy J. & P. B. GOLDMAN, 24 Gillham, Sept. 21, girl W. A. & C. KUNKLER, 413 N. Prospect, Sept. 6, girl G. J. & C. M. LEMBARD, 2525 Gillham, Sept, 24, girl J. & S. L. LERNER, 5611 St. John, Aug. 25, girl O. J. & R. B. LOCKWOOD, Centropolis, Sept. 26, boy B. E. & A. B. LOWE, 4741 McGee, Sept. 17, girl L. G. & M. G. SELDEN, 3121 Thompson, Sept. 20, girl F. S. & B. S. SELIGSOHN, 3530 Charlotte, Sept. 4, girl C. A. & H. SPAULDING, 314 N. Chelsea, Aug. 18, boy P. & F. W. SPECTRE, 612 Olive, Sept. 8, girl W. L. & M. WIGGINS, 3360 Gillham, Sept. 23, boy (These are not all births for the period. Births were published when reported.) ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful. [email protected]) ======================================================

BRENNAMAN, CRAGGETT, CRAMER, DAVIS, ELSOM, HADEN, JAMES, KROVSCHENKO, LATHAM, MANZEY, PETERSON, POPHAM, ROSENTHAL, SMITH, STEPHENSON, STONE, SWIRK, WALKER, WALTON "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Wednesday, September 26, 1917 RECORD OF BIRTHS. E. & M. BRENNAMAN, 5701 Forest, Sept. 18, boy G. R. & H. CRAGGETT, 2942 Wayne, Sept. 13, girl J. H. & K. W. CRAMER, 2534 Olive, Sept. 16, girl T. J. & R. O. DAVIS, 206 Norton, Sept. 18, girl J. D. & J. S. ELSOM, 4637 Harrison, Sept. 17, girl R. L. & G. H. HADEN, 1005 W. 40th, Sept. 23, boy W. H. & E. JAMES, Gladston & Indiana, Sept. 21, boy H. & E. KROVSCHENKO, 704 Cherry, Sept. 17, girl W. A. & M. LATHAM, 2803 Tracy, Sept. 19, boy G. & E. MANZEY, 517 S. Colorado, Sept. 12, girl F. & P. PETERSON, 4729 Jefferson, Aug. 26, boy C. & O. POPHAM, 4739 Jefferson, Aug. 24, girl L. & M. ROSENTHAL, 419 Brooklyn, Sept. 13, girl W. J. & M. P. SMITH, 2747 Benton, Sept. 11, boy K. G. & N. SMITH, 322 N. White, Sept. 23, boy E. & C. W. SMITH, 2626 Woodland, Sept. 21, boy J. G. & E. STEPHENSON, 2407 E. 37th, Sept. 21, boy A. & L. STONE, 2835 S. W. Blvd., Sept. 20, girl Ben & Jennie SWIRK, 704 Cherry, Sept. 19, girl H. & E. WALKER, 112 W. Armour, Sept. 23, girl J. W. & P. WALKER, 3244 Holmes, Sept. 23, girl V. & F. WALTON, 113 N. Prospect, Sept. 18, boy (These are not all births for the period. Births were published when reported.) ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful. [email protected]) ======================================================

ADAIR, BRENNAN, BREWER, CALDRON, DAILEY, DEATHERAGE, FROGUE, GARCELON, GRIFFIN, JOHNSON, KELLY, LAWSON, REID, RODE, SILVERS, STRATEMEIER, SWAIN, THOMPSON "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Friday, September 21, 1917 RECORD OF BIRTHS. J.R. & R.P. ADAIR, 3424 Chestnut, Sept. 13, girl J.E. & A.R. BRENNAN , 4222 Terrace, Aug. 12, boy G.A .& M.L. BREWER, 3113 Lexington, Sept. 10, boy F.L. & E.P. CALDRON, 3107 Highland, Sept. 9, boy E.W. & M.D. DAILEY, 316 S. Bellaire, Sept. 13, girl R & L.S. DEATHERAGE, 3930 Myrtle, Aug. 22, girl A.J. & A.A. FROGUE, 4020 Central, Sept. 16, boy R.H. & R.M. GARCELON, 2620 E. 30th, Aug. 30, girl R.E. & H.M. GRIFFIN, 3721 Wayne, Sept. 19, boy C.L. & M.C. JOHNSON, 3017 Baltimore, Sept. 4, girl H. & S.P. KELLY, 1301 Kensington, Sept. 15, girl A.B. & L.H. LAWSON, 1509 Park, Sept. 18, girl E.N. & H.T. REID, 3132 Euclid, Aug 28, girl E. & A.H. RODE, 2444 Cleveland, Sept. 14, girl M. & T.H. SILVERS, 1017 Charlotte, Sept. 17, girl E.H. & A. STRATEMEIER, 3704 Montgall, Sept. 13, boy A. & M.M. SWAIN, 3748 Wayne, Sept. 16, twins J.H. & A. THOMPSON, 3731 Michigan, Sept. 2, girl (These are not all births for the period. Births were published when reported.) ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful. [email protected]) ======================================================

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Relax Hang Loose Be Nice ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Todd To: [email protected] Sent: 9/3/2005 11:46:59 AM Subject: Academy of Sciences Would anyone know where I might find any information on The Academy of Sciance Office in 1890? Thank You Relax Hang Loose Be Nice

I have extensively researched a German Hottmann family from the Rems Valley of the former Kingdom of Wuerttemberg (near Stuttgart). While many of them emigrated to the USA in the 1800s, I can find none who would correspond to this John M. That said, Hottmann is a relatively rare German surname, and it is quite possible that this person is related to the family I have researched. Regards, Ted Snediker

"The Kansas City Times" (Missouri) Tuesday, August 19, 1919 DEATHS IN KANSAS CITY. Mrs. Ollie May MARTEE, 44 years old, died yesterday afternoon at her home, 716 West Tenth Street. She is survived by her husband, W. T. MARTEE, and two sons, G. W. MARTEE and Henry MARTEE, all of the home address. ====================================================== (I have no connection with this family but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful.) [email protected] ======================================================