My question is to Bob Jordan: Specifically, how are DNA sample obtained from those long dead? Also, I remember the cost per person participating in this genealogical DNA testing project, but it escapes my poor memory. Please, refresh. I may have found another male Jordan for the project. Karen Trull Jordan --- [email protected] wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > JORDAN-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 120 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [JORDAN] JORDAN info > [[email protected] (Cheryl Thompson] > #2 [JORDAN] Anyone know these Jordans [Earl > Cullison <[email protected]] > #3 [JORDAN] Most Recent Common Ancest ["Robert > Jordan" <[email protected]>] > > Administrivia: > JORDAN list website - > http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/JORDAN.htm > > > ****************************************************** > > To unsubscribe from JORDAN-D, send a message to > [email protected] > that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, > but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, > too. > > > ****************************************************** > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:21:18 -0400 (EDT) > From: [email protected] (Cheryl Thompson) > To: [email protected] > Subject: [JORDAN] JORDAN info > > This is forwarded (with permission) from Somebody's > Links at > www.petuniapress.com > Hope it helps someone... > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ANTIGUA and BARBADOS. Tombstones and Burials. > Searchable indexes provide > last name, other names, date of birth, date of > death, site, and notes > (e.g. from the Barbados page: JORDAN, Elizabeth, > 1695, 1761 Sep 6, St. > George, Notes: Doctor WALKER). Updated monthly. > http://24.42.45.104/ > ����Antigua: http://24.42.45.104/tombstones/antigua/ > ��Barbados: http://24.42.45.104/tombstones/barbados/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Regards, > ~Cheryl~ > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:20:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: Earl Cullison <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [JORDAN] Anyone know these Jordans? > > Hello everyone, > I found some more Jordan cousin through another of > my > family lines.I wonder if anyone knows about these?? > > I certainly hope we can find a connection. My > Grandfather Charles Oscar Jordan was born in 1887 > Buffalo-Putnam Co. W.Va. He died in 1979 in Nitro at > 93 years. He was married to Josephine Fisher in 1909 > in Buffalo. They had two sons: Charles Gideon (Bus) > Jordan born about 1910 and my father Garland Clayton > Jordan born 1912-1986. He married Jannie Louise > Morris > in 1934 at Marmet W.Va. > He just found another name.It is Mary Rood, > Charles > Oscar Jordan's aunt born in 1866. > Thanks, Earl > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:47:39 -0300 > From: "Robert Jordan" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [JORDAN] Most Recent Common Ancestor DNA > > I joined a new list about DNA uses in genealogy. > This is a place where you can ask questions and look > at answers using their archives concerning family > DNA - very useful. Please see one answer concerning > comparisons of DNA between members of a family. > > Bob Jordan > > X-Message: #4 > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 07:48:19 EDT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DNA] DNA Question > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > In a message dated 09/22/02 10:01:38 PM Pacific > Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > I know absolutely nothing about DNA, other than > what I have read recently on > > a web site. I have a relative (maybe), with whom I > think I share a common > > ancestor. It would his 2nd great grandfather, as > he is 94 years of age, and > > my 4th great grandfather. If we both had the > Genealogy DNA test, would it > > tell us if we were related, and if so, > approximately how many generations? > > We both share the same surname and probably are > related somewhere in the > > past, but could the test determine if the > relationship is within the last 4 > > generations? > The Y chromosome DNA tests can't tell you exactly > how many generations ago > your MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) lived. > Most of the time, a son's Y chromosome results will > exactly match his father, > but occasionally, a mutation will occur. Scientists > have compared several > thousand examples of father-son Y chromosome tests, > so we have some idea of > the average mutation rate, which is about two times > in a thousand when you > are looking at a specific marker. But mutations are > random events, and you > cannot predict when it will occur. > All we know is that the more generations have > elapsed, the more likely you > are to encounter a mutation. So if you compared 100 > pairs of men whose MRCA > lived 4 generations ago with 100 pairs of men whose > MRCA lived 8 generations > ago, you would find more mutations in the second > group. But you will find > some mutations in the first group and some perfect > matches in the second > group. > The MRCA calculator I described in a second message > today gives you a RANGE > of possibilities as a function of the mutation rate > and the number of markers > tested. The range is called the 95% confidence > interval, and it is quite > wide. But the calculator assumes that the two people > in question are randomly > selected out of a pool of men who have matching > results on their Y test (they > have the same "haplotype"). They may not even have > the same surname -- all we > know is that their haplotypes are identical. > Now in your case, you are not dealing with two > randomly selected people. You > already have some reasons to believe that the two > people have a specific > common ancestor. If the test results match (or are > very similar), this > supports your hypothesis, but it does not prove it. > If the test results are > very different, then you know your hypothesis is > wrong. > Ann Turner [email protected] > GENEALOGY-DNA List Administrator > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/GENEALOGY-DNA.html > DNA preservation kits: http://www.dnafiler.com > > Bob Jordan > [email protected] > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com