My answer to the question below -- What we have here are two Jordans who have almost the same DNA patterns. There is a "chance" they might come from the Thomas Jordan (1634) of VA, BUT there is only speculation of our two member's history right now. The main thing was to separate from the George Jordan line - and that seems to be true. Until we get test results from a more proven Thomas Jordan descendant, we can't be sure. I also need to find another Arthur Jordan member to double check my own line. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 5:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [JORDAN] Re: Viking Jordan ancestors Dear Bob, From what I have read so far, it appears that according to the DNA results, the Thomas Jordan (the Virginia line) is not related to the New England Jordans? Is that correct? Connie Grund, ALabama

I have been asked to explain several items concerning the DNA numbers now showing up for Jordans. Two of the participants (VA-NC Jordans) have a match to within one number out of 12 (11 of 12 numbers match). Occasionally a gene mutation will take place over the years, so these two people are probably related. They both need to upgrade their markers to 25 to make sure though. When we started with this project, not much was known concerning these DNA tests, but now that the markers are showing up, the questions are starting to be asked. I talked with Ron Lindsay, coordinator of the Lindsay DNA project and asked where the best start would be with understanding DNA. He replied and I'm sending that on to the list. If any of you come up with questions or answers, please send to the Jordan-L list so there will be a record for our future. And please write "DNA" somewhere in the subject line. Thanks. Bob Jordan Greetings Bob, I will attempt to provide you with answers to your questions below. Your question is in bold type, my answer is below it. If a match is 1 off or 10 off -- what really does that mean? If one person has a marker value of 10 and another person has 11 for the same marker, they are a one step or one mutation difference. This does not necessarily mean they are not related at this marker. The simple answer is that there could have been a legitimate mutation over the years. What do the numbers really indicate? The numbers that are reported are the number of repeats of a specific sequence that occur at a given marker. Can we tell nationality trends by looking at the numbers? A certain set of values for a certain set of markers can tell you a particular geographic region that you came from but not necessarily nationality. This is called a modal haplotype such as the Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH). Do we have a close match with anyone else in a large data base - other than our family name? This depends on the number of markers you are testing. There have been many instances where "Jones" matched 12 of 12 markers with several other surnames. When you test for 20 or more markers, it is less likely that you will match 21 of 21 markers with someone that you do not share a common ancestor with. Any idea about a web site that can give us a little better idea of how to read the technical issues of these results? My first recommendation and your best bet is to do a few Google searches for the key words you want defined. There is much to be learned from the Internet databases of information on genetics and the human genome project. One of the best sites to read is the National Institute of Standards and Technology web site at http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div831/strbase/index.htm . Also the Genomics Primers at http://www.ornl.gov/hgmis/publicat/primer/intro.html and http://www.dnaftb.org/dnaftb/ . Also check out the Y-STR Haplotype Reference Database at http://ystr.charite.de/index_mkl.html . I would also recommend that you subscribe to the Genealogy-DNA List because many of the subscribers are asking the same questions you are asking and there is always someone with an answer. Bob, I am sure I have only touched the surface with your questions and I do not claim to be an expert on this subject. There is much that can be learned but it takes a lot of time and effort to absorb just enough to be dangerous. Good luck with your Jordan Project. It is indeed tough to get people interested in participating but my bet it will get easier as the database grows and people start to see that they might match up with another published Lindsay or Jordan lineage. Ron Lindsay San Jose, CA

The Normans came originally from Scandanavia - hence "Norsemen - Norman". They were Viking marauders who settled in what became Normandy. So it would appear to be logical that if our Jordan ancestors came over with William the Conquerer in 1066, they would share DNA with some Nordic groups. >From someone who thinks they also descend from Samuel Jordan but can't find a direct male line in our tree to check it out. Jane Larish

Many of England's descendants come from the Normans, who invaded England in the 1000s. Where did they come from? Originally from the Vikings. So DNA results of Nordic origin would be in line with what are popping up on our tests. Bob Jordan

Are you saying that all Jordans in England are descendants of the Jordans who came to fight in the Battle of Hastings? I believe we have a few exceptions. Bob Jordan and Norman Jordan have the results back from their DNA tests. The results do not match my ancestors nor the ancestors of Gary Jordan. Gary's DNA and that of my family do match. We had a common ancestor -- probably a descendant of Samuel Jordan sometime between 1620 and 1750 in Virginia. Apparently these Jordans have a Nordic ancestor from the match with the HG2 Nordic DNA database. I am not sure if the ancestors of Arthur and Richard Jordan share such an ancestor -- or a Norman ancestor for that matter. Is "Jordan Genealogy" 1967 compiled by Mrs. Juliana Wend Jordan (Mrs. Chester Arthur) available for sale? Larry Jordan Visit my genealogy sites at: http://jordannctoal.homestead.com/index.html http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/o/r/Larry-E-Jordan/

Dear Larry, "The Jordans were originally Normans, who came to England in 1099 to fight in the Battle of Hastings." Source: page 3 of "Jordan Genelogoy" 1967 compiled by Mrs. Juliana Wend Jordan (Mrs. Chester Arthur) of DeFreetsville, Rensselaer County, NY. She was my great aunt. Hope this helps, Jan Jordan in Northern Vermont

I believe the Huguenots were French Protestants -- not Nordic. The Nordic could have originated from France, but not likely. It is more likely that Irish or Scottish immigrants went to Iceland or Norway, then came to America with the early settlers. Some Jordan descendants in this country have spent large amounts of money trying to find their ancestors in England and France. They may want to move that research to the Nordic countries of Iceland, Norway and Sweden. Larry Jordan Visit my genealogy sites at: http://jordannctoal.homestead.com/index.html http://www.homestead.com/lumbee/ http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/o/r/Larry-E-Jordan/

We have received the first 12 marker test results for the descendants of William Enoch Jordan b 1803 in NC. The exciting news is that we have a match with a descendant of George Jordan b 1784 in or near Bedford Co, VA. We are hoping that male descendants of other Jordan families who migrated along the same path as George also participate. We strongly believe that the descendants of the following Jordan were related to George: WILLIAM JORDAN, SR. (CHARLES WESLEY, SAMUEL, THOMAS, THOMAS, SAMUEL) was born 1750 in Goochland County, VA, and died May 20, 1817 in Breckenridge Co., KY. He married (1) ELIZABETH (ELIZA) WOODSON November 16, 1771 in Goochland Co, VA, daughter of JOSEPH WOODSON. He married (2) LUCY STITH June 15, 1780 in Bedford Co., VA. If you are a descendant of this family or know one, please contact me. An interesting but confusing result of the test was the > RECENT ETHNIC > ORIGINS (REO) report. According to Bennett Greenspan at Family Tree DNA> , " It is clear that you are part of HG2, one of the 2 Nordic Haplogroup. See how close this sample matched the results of the Viking papers." My questions are: 1. What is a Haplogroup 2. What is HG2 3. Have any of you done the DNA test and found similar REO results: Iceland or Norway as the indicated country of origin for your Jordan family See my webpage at the following URL for more information about the DNA testing and the results: http://jordannctoal.homestead.com/DNAindex.html Larry Jordan Visit my genealogy sites at: http://jordannctoal.homestead.com/index.html http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/o/r/Larry-E-Jordan/

I am searching for my gr gr grandfather's birth confirmation and parentage. He is John Rogers Jordan. His death certificate states he was born Pennsylvania 1806. I think he may be son of Samuel Jordan and Eliza (Rogers) ? They would have been born about 1786. Estelle

I am looking for information on Mary JORDAN who married James HILL and Rosanna JORDAN who married Adam HILL. Rosanna and Adam lived in Mercer County while James and Mary lived in Northumberland County, both in Pennsylvania. Aaron Hill _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Hi, I am researching my mother's family history. Her name was Isabella Jordan born in Ashington, Northumberland, on 1.1.1909. She married James Henry Birch on 21.4.1930. (Possibly in Yorkshire). Her mother's name was Jane Ann Armstrong, and I know that her mother had a sister called Jean Ann. I know nothing of my grandfather, my mother never mentioned him, he may have died at an early age. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Kris Epworth, Narrogin Western Australia.

Cathey, Here are the James Jordans born near 1865, .....OH 1880. The first one is because that was the only River Jordan in Ohio, and b England. And the Brimlaws there too. Carleen Census Place: Leetonia, Columbiana, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255002 National Archives Film T9-1002 Page 609D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace James JORDAN Self M M W 32 ENG Occ: Laborer Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Maria JORDAN Wife F M W 30 ENG Occ: K. House Fa: ENG Mo: ENG William JORDAN Son M S W 11 ENG Fa: ENG Mo: ENG James JORDAN Son M S W 9 ENG Fa: ENG Mo: ENG River JORDAN Son M S W 7 ENG Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Elizabeth JORDAN Dau F S W 4 ENG Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Charles JORDAN Son M S W 2 ENG Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Edwin WILLIAMS Other M W 30 ENG Occ: Pedler Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Thomas SKELTON Other M W 40 ENG Occ: Pedler Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Census Place: Salem, Columbiana, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255002 National Archives Film T9-1002 Page 585C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace George BRIMLAW Self M M W 40 ENG Occ: Coal Miner. Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Mary A. BRIMLAW Wife F M W 38 ENG Occ: Keeping House. Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Thomas BRIMLAW Son M S W 18 ENG Occ: Coal Miner. Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Elisabeth BRIMLAW Dau F S W 15 PA Occ: At Home. Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Rachel BRIMLAW Dau F S W 13 PA Occ: At Home Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Jane BRIMLAW Dau F S W 9 PA Fa: ENG Mo: ENG J. William BRIMLAW Son M S W 6 PA Fa: ENG Mo: ENG George BRIMLAW Son M S W 1 PA Fa: ENG Mo: ENG Census Place: Kingston, Delaware, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255012 National Archives Film T9-1012 Page 431D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace James S. JORDAN Self M M W 54 NY Occ: Laborer Fa: NY Mo: NY Margret JORDAN Wife F M W 54 OH Occ: Keeping House Fa: IRE Mo: NY Charles JORDAN Son M S W 19 OH Occ: At Home Fa: NY Mo: OH James JORDAN Son M S W 15 OH Occ: At Home Fa: NY Mo: OH Census Place: Waterville, Lucas, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255044 National Archives Film T9-1044 Page 129D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Martin JORDAN Self M M W 50 PA Occ: Farmer Fa: PA Mo: PA Mary JORDAN Wife F M W 37 OH Occ: Keeping House Fa: ENG Mo: OH Emma JORDAN Dau F S W 17 OH Fa: PA Mo: OH Mary JORDAN Dau F S W 15 OH Fa: PA Mo: OH James JORDAN Other M S W 14 OH Occ: At Home Fa: PA Mo: OH John JORDAN Son M S W 7 OH Occ: At Home Fa: PA Mo: OH Joseph JORDAN Son M S W 2 OH Fa: PA Mo: OH

I am searching for my grandfather's parents. Both my grandfather and his father were James Henry Jordan. My grandfather was born 6 July, 1895 in Warren, OH. According to the 1930 Census, his father was born in England and his mother was born in PA. The elder James Henry was born in 1865 and died in 1903 from family records. He was married to Rachel Brimlow Jordan (1866-1941) My father remembers hearing of 3 brothers of the elder James Henry: Blaine, River (I swear!!) and Charles. Rachel and James Henry had 8 children: Ernest, Charles (died in infancy), James Henry, Charles (who was born in St. Louis, MO), Violet, Mary, May, and Hazel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cathey Jordan ([email protected])

If you get a copy of the marriage record, it may give that information. I know some places did, VA for one. Or the Father may have put up the bond. You need to write the court clerk or whoever has marr recs in that county. You do not need to know the exact date. Give a range, but I wrote and did not even do that. But it was yrs ago, and now they are so short handed, it is no telling. Carleen

Dear List: When a couple wanted to get married (prior to 1850) and the bride was 15-16 yrs of age, was she required to have her parent's permission? If yes, where would that record be kept and is it possible to access it? Your response will be appreciated. Donna Broberg

Hello List: Am back from a few days vacation and will post another query. I formerly posted a query for John JORDAN (b) abt. 1830 PA. Married Emily Olliver (b) abt 1830 PA. I have spent a week going thru online PA 1850 census records and I have found one record that seems promising: 1850 West Finley Twp. Washington Co.PA JORDAN, John Age 25 Farmer (b) PA Emily 21 " Janella(??sp) E. Age 5 " William J. Age 3 " Female Jordan Age 65 (can't read given name--possibly John's mother.) Eleanor Jordan Age 32 (the record indicates Land value $1600 for Eleanor--it does not list the relationship of Eleanor to John--but I assume it is a sister.) Is there anyone on the JORDAN list that has additional information on this family, that they would be willing to share with me? Note: My gg-grandparents, John & Emily JORDAN, had a son William JORDAN, (b) abt 1849--so the above listed census family could possibly be my family. As far as I can determine, John & Emily JORDAN were in Minnesota shortly before 1860, but I have not found them on the 1860 MN census. They moved to Wapello Co. Iowa shortly before 1870 and they are listed on the 1870 IA census. I have not been able to locate them in a census in IA or elsewhere in 1880. More children were born to my JORDAN family while they were in MN & IA. I have some of that info from the 1870 census. Any help would be appreciated. Donna Broberg No. Co. San Diego email: [email protected]

Looking for information about Joseph Jordan-Jourdan b- abt 1804 - married Rebecca Mayes - lived in Mason County WV Diana Jordan

Hi, I am new to this mailing list. If you are related to my family, would you know the answer to this question I have? 1. Who was John (aka William) JORDAN's father born in England? I hope I have found a JORDAN cousin! Thanks! Regards, Jan Jordan in Vermont Here is what I have on this line: 1st generation: Fannie Turner born abt. _?_ 1780 _?_ England m. _?_ Jordan born abt. _?_1775 in _?_ England. 2nd generation: John (aka William) Jordan born 8-26-1802 Isle of Sheppy, Minister, England married 6-1-1833 in NY? and died 11-21-1889, buried Clifton Heights, Rensselear County, NY, m. Sarah Ann Smith b _?_ 1805 in _?_ England, died 7-2-1884, buried Clifton Heights, Rensselear County, NY. 3rd generation Elijah E. Jordan born 10-13-1853 East Greenbush, Rensselear, NY, m. 10-05-1881, died 0602901929, buried Blooming Grove Cemetery, DeFreestville, Rensselear, NY; + Emeline M. Stickley born 11-03-1870 Gloucestershire, Morton-on-Marsh, England, died 3-10-1958, buried in Blooming Grove Cemetery, DeFreestville, Rensselear, NY. 4th generation Frederick Arthur Jordan born 4-19-1893 in E. Greenbush, NY, died 4-20-67 Troy, NY, buried Blooming Grove Cemetery, DeFreetsville, Rensselear, NY. m. Eleanor Diamond Goewey, b. 1896 in Troy, Rensselear, NY, died 3/32, buried in Blooming Grove Cemetery, DeFreetsville, Rensselear, NY. 5th generation Clarence Arthur Jordan, DVM, born 04-10-18, E. Greenbush, NY, married 6-8-41 in Utica, NY, died 4-22-87, buried Blooming Grove Cemetery, DeFreetsville, Rensselear, NY m. Doris Martha Hughes, etc. John (aka William) JORDAN is my 2nd great grandfather.

Yes we have the Jordan DNA study underway. We have had some tests sent in and I have several who say going to send in $$ soon. I think this will take some time and do not think we will close this study for a year or so?? I expect that some matches will be put on this site. At some point we will put out a report and intend to share with all the Jordan lines. If you ladies can find a male descendant maybe you could give the test to him for his birthday or Fathers Day. No blood needed, you just brush his teeth & gums for couple minutes. Norman Jordan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheri Courson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [JORDAN] dna testing > I too am female Jordan descendant and wish to know also. I am descended from > Isaac Jordan and Mary Susan Smith in Illinois. Isaac was the son of Lewis > Jordan from Kentucky. > > Cheri > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: [JORDAN] dna testing > > > > I would also like to know if there is anyone from the Thomas > > Jordan--Margaret Brasseur line. This is my line but again through the > > females. > > > > Hope > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pam Pressney" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 3:38 PM > > Subject: [JORDAN] dna testing > > > > > > > I see that 11 Jordans have been tested at the Family Tree site. Is the > > > administrator on this list? How can I find out who's been tested? I > > > descend through a female, so I can't do it myself! > > > > > > Pam Pressney descendant of Isaac Baxter Jordan > > > Vista, CA > > > > > > > > > ==== JORDAN Mailing List ==== > > > JORDAN list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/JORDAN.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== JORDAN Mailing List ==== > > JORDAN list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/JORDAN.htm > > > > > > > ==== JORDAN Mailing List ==== > JORDAN list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/JORDAN.htm >

<A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~tngiles/migration/landgrnt1.htm">Click here: North Carolina Land Grants in Tennessee</A> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tngiles/migration/landgrnt1.htm Read every page, and notice the years/ Tremendous job! Watch for collateral lines! Carleen