Looking for information on Samuel Frame Jordan, born 1857, birth listed as CA. He was in Illinois on the 1870 census with his parents, Nancy Long JOrdan and Joseph ( could be a middle name ) Jordan. He married Millie Shaw in 1877, in Fulton Co., Ill. His mother, Nancy, died in 1878 and is buried in Maryville-Bryant Cemetery in Canton, Ill. This family is my brick wall and I would really appreciate any info on them. Kim

Archie Jordan just submitted an order for the test (25 marker). This should be interesting to some of you. He has a confirmed line back to Edward Jordan and his son William. Bob Jordan Original Message ----- From: JORDAN ARCHIE Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: dna testing I received infromation about the DNA testing and would be interested in helping with this. My jordan line Archie Clifton Jordan jr son of Archie Clifton Jordan sr son of Robert"Bob"Jordan and Frances Naomi Grace son of John Jordan and Grizelda Taylor son of Johnson Jordan and Rachel Hill son of William Jordan and Sarah "Sally" Wood son of Edward Jordan

>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:08:49 -0600 >From: "JORDAN ARCHIE" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: {not a subscriber} Fw: dna testing > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: JORDAN ARCHIE >Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:15 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: dna testing > >I received infromation about the DNA testing and would be interested in >helping with this. > >My jordan line > > Archie Clifton Jordan jr > son of Archie Clifton Jordan sr > son of Robert"Bob"Jordan and Frances Naomi Grace > son of John Jordan and Grizelda Taylor > son of Johnson Jordan and Rachel Hill > son of William Jordan and Sarah "Sally" Wood > son of Edward Jordan > > >Please advise me how to participate and share this information with the >others doing Jordan research on this line. > >Archie Jordan >2392 Edgemere Ct >Cincinnati, Oh 45244 >513 232 3391 > > Carol C-H <[email protected]> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

Received answer from FT-DNA concerning upgrading the two tests in question. Looks like Bennett was too busy to completely read the original question. So, that's why there is an upgrade available. If you need an upgrade, please contact them again, but it won't do much good in this case unless both parties upgrade to the 25 marker test. Bob Jordan ----- Original Message ----- From: Bennett Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:09 PM To: 'Robert Jordan' Subject: RE: One mismatch question Hi Bob ...If I discouraged one of these 2 guys from a refinement it was an error on my part. This is exactly the case for having a refinement performed...same surname and 1 point off. E-mail any time. Best Regards, Bennett Greenspan Family Tree DNA www.FamilyTreeDNA.com "History Unearthed Daily" -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jordan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:35 AM To: Bennett Subject: Re: One mismatch question Thanks = kit xxxx for Billy Joe Jordan and kit xxxx for Gary Jordan - mismatch on 12th marker. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bennett Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:20 PM To: 'Robert Jordan' Subject: RE: One mismatch question Hi Bob I think I discouraged the person because the other person had not ordered the upgrade, or because he thought that he had a match with someone and didn't have an exact match. Please give me to kit #'s and let me k=look at these two guys. I'll answer you later this evening> E-mail any time. Best Regards, Bennett Greenspan Family Tree DNA www.FamilyTreeDNA.com "History Unearthed Daily" -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jordan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: One mismatch question I am coordinator of the Jordan family project at FT-DNA and have a problem you may be able to answer. There are two members who match on the 12 marker test except for one marker (off by one). It was my understanding that a sequence change could take place at any generation (mutation) and that these two individuals could be related. But to make sure, they must upgrade to the 25 markers. When one of them contacted you to find out about upgrading, you told him you would not do this unless you heard from him again. My question - should I discourage people in this situation to not upgrade, or the reverse. Of course, you have the experience with one number mismatches, so would you please give me some input. Thanks. Bob Jordan [email protected]

Still looking for any relations to John Jordan, born Dec. 1793 in Wenhaston, England. Married Sarah Chalker of Weymouth, England. Sailed to Eaton, P.Q., Canada in early 1810's. Several children married into families of Sawyer, Taylor, Stone, Rand, Cable, Wheeler. Personnal mail: [email protected]

I am a Jordan and do not connect to the Rev. Jordan, but have the feeling that at some point in time it may happen. Two grandfathers are New Englanders so it seems likely they would descend from the Maine Jordans. Perhaps some day I'll have the answer. Estelle

Hello all, I have a brick wall, don't we all, I hope some one will be able to help me with. James {H.?} Jordan was born in Georgia in 1834, married 11 Oct. 1853 in Pike County, Al., to Malissa Jane "Milly" Craig and he died in Pike County, Al., about 1866. Malissa Jane was born in Al., about 1835, she was the daughter of David Craig and Martha Beaman. My line from them is Martha Ellen Jordan, born Feb. 1856 to 1859 in Pike County, Al., and married Henry W. Henderson, 25 Dec. 1879, in Pike County, Al. Henry was the son of William M. Henderson and Eugenia Jane W. Gilmore. Henry was born in Jan. 1859 in Pike County, Al., died 5 March 1933. Any help on these lines will be much appreciated. Catherine at [email protected]

I am of the Gray Jordan line. I am female and need a male of this line to test for our line. Anyone out there of this line? Polly Henderson

Meant this to go to JordanL will try this way ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Jordan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [JORDAN] DNA confusion?? > Good, glad that you using this study to prove part of your genealogy. We > have several families lines that can not link into our descendants of Rev. > Robert Jordan but we feel certain they are. This study could draw us a > little closer. > > Am pleased with your assistance on promoting this study. We need more > participates and this will help. > > Right now we have 11 tests that have been sent in and reports back on 6 (I > think). Today I talked with a Jordan in England who has just mailed payment > for his test. I am pleased with this because his family has lived in same > part of England as Rev. Robert came from but they can not get back beyond > 1750's and we can not get down past 1650's. So we have a 100 year gap. I > have visited them three times and two came to our reunion in 1998. > > I am of the Rev. Robert Jordan family. We have a very active family > organization of about 400 in maybe 45 states, one in Australia and several > in Canada. Plus two ladies in England. > > Rev. Robert settled on the coast of Maine in 1640 and married Sarah Winter. > They had six sons and right now we have over 30,000 descendants in our > program. I live about three miles from where Robert and Sarah lived in > 1650's. > > Do not know where this study will take us but looking forward to where ever > it goes!! > > Norman Jordan > Cape Elizabeth, Maine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: [JORDAN] DNA confusion?? > > > > I plan to do the DNA test, but my results may not help you much. I am > pretty > > sure I have a break in the Y-chrom transmission sequence. My test will > prove > > that for me. I sent the note to Bob a few days ago requesting the 25 > marker > > kit. > > > > Bill Jordan is my 3rd cousin in Andalusia, AL. His DNA was found to match > > that of Gary Jordan in Ohio. I guess you could say that Bill is my > surrogate > > in the testing. > > > > I am using my website to help you guys promote the testing. By posting > some > > of the resulting information, I hope to encourage others to participate. > The > > index page is at: http://jordannctoal.homestead.com/DNAindex.html > > > > What Jordan line are you in? How many Jordans are currently participating > in > > the testing? > > > > Keep up the great work. You guys are to be commended for taking the > > leadership in this project. > > > > Larry Jordan > > Charlotte, NC > > > > Visit my genealogy websites at: > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/r/Larry-E-Jordan/ > > http://jordannctoal.homestead.com/index.html > > http://www.lumbee.homestead.com/ > > > > and my fun/recreation site at: > > http://www.homestead.com/greattrips/ > > http://www.catawbayc.org/ >

Yes we will publish results for the DNA study for every one at some point. I have no idea on how this will be done and think both Bob and I would be very happy if someone came forward to put this report together. I think (hope) Family Tree DNA will supply help us with this. Norman Jordan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [JORDAN] DNA confusion?? > I hope you guys plan to publish results for the Jordan Surname DNA project > similar to the ones the Lindsay project is publishing at the following > webpages: > http://www.clanlindsay.com/dna_test_results.htm > http://www.clanlindsay.com/lindsay_haplotype_conclusions.htm > > Larry Jordan > > > ==== JORDAN Mailing List ==== > JORDAN list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/JORDAN.htm >

Some of the material concerning early English Jordans comes from a reported Jordan who fought as a knight in the Crusades (about 1200 A.D.). If he was a knight, then he probably was a Norman. He took his name from the Jordan River. Most of the Jordan names I have seen before 1600 were in England, but there were some in other European countries. They probably all took their name from the river - for religious or other reasons. So, many Jordan lines are not related. We can be thankful from a genealogical point of view we are not Johnson, Brown, Jones, or Smith. Bob

I hope you guys plan to publish results for the Jordan Surname DNA project similar to the ones the Lindsay project is publishing at the following webpages: http://www.clanlindsay.com/dna_test_results.htm http://www.clanlindsay.com/lindsay_haplotype_conclusions.htm Larry Jordan

The people tested are living descendants of the ancestors. The Y-chromosome DNA makes few mutations when passed from male to male each generation. The 12 marker test tells you whether you match genealogy DNA with another individual and therefore that person's entire male-to-male ancestry back to a common ancestor. The 25 marker test is significantly more accurate than the 12 marker test and provides a better estimate of how far back two people share a common ancestor. Larry Jordan Charlotte, NC Visit my genealogy website at: http://jordannctoal.homestead.com/DNAindex.html Subj: Re: [JORDAN] DNA confusion?? Date: 9/9/2002 7:45:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:Mudder9651">Mudder9651</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:LJordan316">LJordan316</A> How can there be a DNA match with anyone that far back. Do you have their DNA to match with?

Hello, I am trying to find the parents of Henry J. Jordan b. abt. 1838 in Wolverhampton. There seems to be a connection with the town of Codsall and Tetttenhall Wood. I have no information on siblings. I am also trying to determine which of three women (perhaps all !) were married to him. The 1901 census has him married to Emily A. Jordan, the 1881 Census a Sarah Jordan (Starmer) and on his sons memorial from WWI, his mother is listed as Mary Jordan! His children were Lillian, Bernard, Edith and possibly an Alfred. He was a Merchants Hardware Clerk. I also have some information that points to a connection with Cuba, as a son ran a sugar plantation there for a short time. I know that some relatives came to the USA but I haven't been able to make the connection with any of the info I've research on American Jordans. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Chris Chiasson

I understood it to be that William Enoch Jordan b. 1803 and George Jordan b. 1784 had a close DNA match. The William Jordan that married Elizabeth Woodson is the same William Jordan who did migrate to KY, and his 2nd wife was Lucy Stith. This from the Stith family genealogy page... "Lucy STITH, b. March 12, 1761; died after 1817, since her name is mentioned in will of her husband William Jordan in Breckinridge Co., Ky., dated Feb. 15, 1817. Married in Bedford Co., Va., June 15, 1780, to William Jordan, whose name appears in notes on Richard STITH, Senior, Lucy's father. William Jordan was first married in Goochland Co., Va., to Elizabeth Woodson. To this first union was born one son Woodson Jordan whose name appears in the will of his father, Page 27 - Wills of Breckinridge Co., Kentucky, compiled by Annie Walker Burns, Genealogist. The will was drawn Feb. 15, 1817; probated May Term of Court, 1817 ". There are several incidences of the first name George in the line of this William Jordan, no relation to the Arthur Jordan/George Jordan family that we know of. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [JORDAN] DNA confusion?? If I read the discussion correctly--William Enoch Jordan b. 1803 is descended from a George Jordan b. 1784 Bedford Co. VA. (Larry Jordan's line) Then, the same email suggests that there is a kinship with a William Jordan who married an Elizabeth Woodson 1771 and later a Lucy Stith then migrated to KY. Finally, this William is presumed descended from the Thomas/ Samuel line. First, it was my understanding that the William who married Elizabeth Woodson remained in VA. And, that the William who married Lucy Stith and migrated to KY was a different person. Second, it was my understanding that George Jordan comes from the line of Arthur Jordan whose brother was named George. (Robert Jordan's line) Lastly, Norman Jordan (on this list) has claimed descent from Robert Jordan of New England--is there confirmation or negation of a relationship between the New England Jordan's and the VA/NC Jordans? Still looking for Enoch Jordan found on 1790 re-created tax list for Orange Co. NC wife Elizabeth Stepp (Stapp). They migrated to Giles Co. TN (about 1811) with a brief stay in Lauderdale Co. AL. ______________________________

First of all, the two DNA samples are mismatched by one marker out of 12. That could mean there was a mutation on one gene sequence which could happen any generation. There may be a match here or not. Probably need to upgrade the tests to 25 to make sure. I think this discussion should be continued a bit on this line (William Enoch). George is mostly used by the Arthur Jordan family, but around 1780, people of all families started using George Washington as a given name. Bob Jordan ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:19 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: DNA confusion?? If I read the discussion correctly--William Enoch Jordan b. 1803 is descended from a George Jordan b. 1784 Bedford Co. VA. (Larry Jordan's line) Then, the same email suggests that there is a kinship with a William Jordan who married an Elizabeth Woodson 1771 and later a Lucy Stith then migrated to KY. Finally, this William is presumed descended from the Thomas/ Samuel line. First, it was my understanding that the William who married Elizabeth Woodson remained in VA. And, that the William who married Lucy Stith and migrated to KY was a different person. Second, it was my understanding that George Jordan comes from the line of Arthur Jordan whose brother was named George. (Robert Jordan's line) Lastly, Norman Jordan (on this list) has claimed descent from Robert Jordan of New England--is there confirmation or negation of a relationship between the New England Jordan's and the VA/NC Jordans? Still looking for Enoch Jordan found on 1790 re-created tax list for Orange Co. NC wife Elizabeth Stepp (Stapp). They migrated to Giles Co. TN (about 1811) with a brief stay in Lauderdale Co. AL.

On Sunday, September 8, 2002 11:25 AM MDT, [email protected] wrote: > "The Jordans were originally Normans, who came to England in 1099 to > fight in the Battle of Hastings." > > Source: page 3 of "Jordan Genelogoy" 1967 compiled by Mrs. Juliana Wend > Jordan (Mrs. Chester Arthur) of DeFreetsville, Rensselaer County, NY. > She was my great aunt. This may apply to Juliana Wend Jordan's family, but probably not in general. The name is in widespread use by many apparently unrelated individuals from many countries. One story I've heard, of unknown authenticity is that, during the crusades many individuals from many countries traveled to Palestine, and seeing the River Jordan described in the Bible was a "big thing". This was also a time when surnames began to be commonly used in Europe, so some of these individuals adopted "Jordan" as their surname. Others who didn't travel, but who heard the stories of the crusades, likewise adopted the name. I don't have a source for this, but at least it helps to explain the name's widespread use. S R C A cott obert ranston nderson [email protected]

Several people have asked for more information about the Jordan Surname DNA Project. I have posted some information on my website that may help. Please refer to the following pages: http://jordannctoal.homestead.com/DNAindex.html http://jordannctoal.homestead.com/JordanDNAProject.html Larry Jordan Charlotte, NC Visit my genealogy websites at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/r/Larry-E-Jordan/ http://jordannctoal.homestead.com/index.html http://www.lumbee.homestead.com/ and my fun/recreation site at: http://www.homestead.com/greattrips/ http://www.catawbayc.org/

I can see that this DNA genealogy can create confusion if not properly handled. We probably need some kind of clearing house for the results that allows us to do the following: - Map the people who find DNA matches and their oldest documented ancestor - Determine what documented Jordan line is the most likely connection with the mapped set of matching results - Advertise for participation in the project to get descendants of the Jordan line that is documented and may contain matching DNA - Publish the common Recent Ethnic Origin (REO) ancestor locations (country of origin of oldest DNA connected ancestor) We probably need a few online templates that facilitate such a clearing house and a website to post the results. Larry Jordan Charlotte, NC Visit my genealogy websites at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/r/Larry-E-Jordan/ http://jordannctoal.homestead.com/index.html http://www.lumbee.homestead.com/

If I read the discussion correctly--William Enoch Jordan b. 1803 is descended from a George Jordan b. 1784 Bedford Co. VA. (Larry Jordan's line) Then, the same email suggests that there is a kinship with a William Jordan who married an Elizabeth Woodson 1771 and later a Lucy Stith then migrated to KY. Finally, this William is presumed descended from the Thomas/ Samuel line. First, it was my understanding that the William who married Elizabeth Woodson remained in VA. And, that the William who married Lucy Stith and migrated to KY was a different person. Second, it was my understanding that George Jordan comes from the line of Arthur Jordan whose brother was named George. (Robert Jordan's line) Lastly, Norman Jordan (on this list) has claimed descent from Robert Jordan of New England--is there confirmation or negation of a relationship between the New England Jordan's and the VA/NC Jordans? Still looking for Enoch Jordan found on 1790 re-created tax list for Orange Co. NC wife Elizabeth Stepp (Stapp). They migrated to Giles Co. TN (about 1811) with a brief stay in Lauderdale Co. AL.