I've done some studying of Heraldry as part of a Medieval History group (becoming well known in the group for it) and just have to speak up on this issue. There is NO such thing as a FAMILY coat of arms. A coat of arms was bestowed to one person and that person only. After that person died, if there was clear intent, then the eldest son (usually it was the son) could assume the coat of arms - every other child could use a similar one but had to have some difference. The coat of arms would then become his and his alone. A crest is the thing that sits on top of the helm (helmet) that is above the shield. The shield shaped design was the coat of arms. The entire display of the coat of arms, helm, crest and mantling (the fabric attached to the crest that "flies" behind the whole design) and any supporters (animals usually that "hold up" the shield") is called an achievement of arms. Coats of arms were usually bestowed to the nobility early on, then later in the course of history, the gentility were bestowed coats of arms (equate this to the upper middle class). Businesses then also started using logos - some of them were able to register it as a coat of arms with the College of Heralds. Nancy Rivers

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathi Jones-Hudson" <mdcat.geo@yahoo.com> To: "nancy4" <nancy4@cottoninternet.net> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:54 AM Subject: Jones List > You will need to send your message to the entire list > by email it to: JONES-L@rootsweb.com .... messages to > jones-admin@rootsweb.com are for administrative help, > and go only to me and not to the List. > > Kathi Jones-Hudson > JONES Listowner > > --- nancy4 <nancy4@cottoninternet.net> wrote: > > Hello my Jones ancestors lived in Shenadoah Co. > > Virginia in the early 1800's. My ancestor's name is > > John Benton Jones and he married Catherine Webb > > around 1852. John B. Jones is on the 1900 Indian > > Territory (Oklahoma) census. > > nancy4@cottoninternet.net > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com >

Edwin: Just type "family crest" or "Jones family crest" into any search engine - there are lots of them around the net. You'll find most of them are pretty small in size since alot of sites that have crests are trying to sell them. I did a quick search and saw several, not all the same either. I really have to say that the 'get your family crest/coat of arms, etc. on a coffee mug for only $16.95' has to be one of the biggest, all-time genealogy scams of them all. Mostly because we Americans really don't seem to understand family crests, etc. A crest was not for an entire surname but given to a particular family of that surname. Only that family was permitted to use the crest. Spinoff's within the family added things to the crest to make them a bit different, like to signify that this was the crest of John Jones rather than William Jones. And don't forget, not all Joneses originate even from the same country or same area within a country-that would make the crest different too. Also, not all families had crests, coats of arms - not to put a too fine point on it but I can't see where a peasant family would have crests, etc. Only the high-born, nobles, etc. are likely to have a family crest. But have fun searching for one anyway! ===== Kathi Jones-Hudson MD Tombstone Transcription Project Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/maryland.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Hello JONES list, After searching the Web I have decided to post on the list. I find a number of sources which sell family crests & coats of arms. I'm not interested in a crest to hang on the wall or put in a display cabinet. I'm looking for a paper copy of the JONES FAMILY CREST. Some books at the Indianapolis State Library have pages that are of family crests & coat of arms but don't allow making copies. Could someone tell me where I might be able to get a paper, (hard copy) of the JONES FAMILY CREST. If I can download it from somewhere I have a color printer that makes nice pictures which would work for me. Just want to put this on the front cover of a JONES book I'm working on. Thanks in advance for your help, Ed Jones New Palestine, In. ejones1@indy.net

Thank you so very much!!!!!!!

My Walker B. Jones is buried in Richland County, SC which is outside of Columbia, SC, USA

Sorry, we are north in Laurens, Union, Newbury, Spartanburg. BrakenLass@aol.com wrote:My Walker B. Jones is buried in Richland County, SC which is outside of Columbia, SC, USA ==== JONES Mailing List ==== Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html

County or city in which he lived would be helpful. BrakenLass@aol.com wrote:My gggrandfather was Walker B. Jones b.5-30-1858 and d. 3or5-11-1896. He was in South Carolina at the time of his death. Can you see any possibility of a connection with your family? I am at a complete standstill on this one. Any thing you could share would be greatly appreciated. ==== JONES Mailing List ==== Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html

I am searching for the parents & siblings, if any for : OLIVER PERRY JONES b: 14 may 1840 in Pike Co, Indiana. (1880 census has Oliver born in Virginia = enumerator error) I have a copy of OLIVER'S military papers that show: (He called the civil war the "WAR OF THE REBELLION") :>)) 22 July 1862 mustered as a private in Company "A"100th Regiment Illinois Volunteers. 08 Aug 1864 transferred as Corporal to Company "K" 1st U.S. Engineer Corps. 30 June 1865 Honorable discharge at Nashville ,TN. 23 Aug 1866 in Naperville, Du Page County, Ill (directly west of Chicago) Married Catherine Elizabeth Hood b: Nov 1848 Saratoga, N.Y.("Katie" he called her) 1880 census for Crystal, Tama County, Iowa lists Oliver, his wife Catherine , and five children, one of them being my grandfather: Joseph Harrison Jones. (Oliver's father born Virginia, mother born S. Carolina) (Catherine's father & mother both born in NY) (children all born in Iowa) .......Indiana, Illinois, Iowa...he is slowly edging west. Family story has him coming to California in 1887 on a real estate promotional train ( I suppose he was with his wife and children) Oliver's children were born : CARRIE R JONES 04 JULY 1868 ROBERT F JONES 01 NOV 1869 MAMIE M. JONES 07 OCT 1872 JOSEPH HARRISON 16 DEC 1875 ? ETTIE JONES JULY 1878( died at 13 yrs?about 1891) 1900 census for Kern county, CA (Dist #5 Enum dist #33 pg. 6) lists Oliver, his wife Catherine and only Joseph. (JOSEPH HARRISON JONES married my grandmother LOURENA ALICE WILKINSON in Maricopa, Kern County, CA 1904) Oliver was a physician, (assisted in my grandfather Joseph's children's birthing). Oliver was horticulturist/nurseryman, real estate investor in Santa Ana, California. He played the violin well. Oliver received his service disability pension from 19 May 1910 through to his death 12 Aug 1912. Oliver was buried Fairhaven Cemetery, Santa Ana, Orange County, CA. Well that was more than I thought I had, but now, I would like to tie this family ancestors and descendants together. Related descendant surnames: ATSATT,SMITH, JONES, DIMICK, NOBLE, EISLAND Any information or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Margaret (mema)

1880 LDS Census Place: Columbia, Richland, South Carolina Source: FHL Film 1255238 National Archives Film T9-1238 Page 182C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Caroline JONES Self F W W 50 SC Keeping House Fa: SC Mo: SC Maggie JONES Dau F W 23 SC Fa: SC Mo: SC Walker JONES Son M W 21 SC Farmer Fa: SC Mo: SC Daniel JONES GSon M S W 8 SC Fa: SC Mo: SC List Mom for the Grayson Co. KY, Fulkerson, Vertrees, and the Ford List <A HREF="http://www.kygenweb.net/pd-res/deford.html">Theodora DeFord</A>

My gggrandfather was Walker B. Jones b.5-30-1858 and d. 3or5-11-1896. He was in South Carolina at the time of his death. Can you see any possibility of a connection with your family? I am at a complete standstill on this one. Any thing you could share would be greatly appreciated.

My grandfather had a half sister named Susan Jones. I think she was born in Iowa County Iowa to Ephriam Peter Jones and Testamony Jones or Ephriam P. Jones and 2nd wife Mary VanEngl Ephriam married Testamony before 1852. He married Mary VanEngl in about August 1870. He married my g grandmother Eliza Jane Holden in March 1875. I have never found where Susan Jones and her sister Adeline went. Let me know if you think this is my Susan Jones. Pat Beer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lula Vaughn" <tuck@bhil.com> To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Jones] Godfrey Jones of Vermont > My great-grandmother Susan M.(Jones) Eastman had a daughter named Ida > Sophronia, so she was Ida Sophronia Eastman and she married Ed Fuller in > Mattoon, Ill. Can't find the family for Susan. In 1900 census she said she > was born in Ill on March 1844, that's all I know Lula > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ckeskey" <ckeskey@charter.net> > To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:49 PM > Subject: [Jones] Godfrey Jones of Vermont > > > > Looking for any info on Godfrey Jones born 2-14-1776 in Vermont. He > > married Sally ? who was born 5-22-1770. they had 13 children ; > > L. W. b. 1793 > > Ira Walter b. 1794 ( my ggg grandfather ) > > Chloe b.1796 > > Sally b.1798 > > Sophronia b. 1799 > > William L. b. 1800 > > Betsy b. 1801 > > Maria b. 1803 > > Laura b. 1805 > > Samuel F. b. 1807 > > Sophia b. 1808 > > Harlow b. 1824 > > Eliza b. 181? > > Does any one else have these names in their tree ? > > Thanks, Carol > > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this > site: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > > search the archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > > Unusual JONES given names, > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > >

>From Laurens County, SC Will Book C-I, page 127 (455): 11-6-1804, Will of James Jones, wife Lucy, sons, Benjamin, Miles, daughter Angelica Philips, son Whitmore, daughter Jane Duncan, son Jesse, daughter Sarah Bennet, sons Joseph and Dred. Ex., Son Joseph. Wit: Geo Whitmore, Joel Whitten, Eliza Wesson. I would be interested in communicating with anyone with ties to this line. Thanks. W. Chris Jones Roswell, GA

Please contact Tina directly as she is not a Jones Listmember. --- Tina Peddie <tpeddie@charter.net> wrote: > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:49:51 -0700 > From: "Tina Peddie" <tpeddie@charter.net> > To: <GACAMDEN-L@rootsweb.com>, "GACHARLT" > <GACHARLT-L@rootsweb.com>, > "GATATT" <GATATTNA-L@rootsweb.com>, > <gaware-l@rootsweb.com>, > <gaeffing-l@rootsweb.com>, > <ncpitt-l@rootsweb.com>, > <gaberrie-l@rootsweb.com>, > <gatift-l@rootsweb.com>, > <gapierce-l@rootsweb.com>, > <jones-l@rootsweb.com>, > <daughtery-l@rootsweb.com>, > <delk-l@rootsweb.com>, > <sheffield-l@rootsweb.com>, > <mock-l@rootsweb.com>, > <siceloff-l@rootsweb.com>, > <moore-l@rootsweb.com>, > <mooresouth@yahoogrops.com>, > <roddenberry-l@rootsweb.com>, > <strickland-l@rootsweb.com> > Subject: {not a subscriber} > SHEFFIELD/JONES/MOORE/RODDENBERRY/MOCK/ETC > > HELLO COUSINS: > *RELATED surnames: JONES, SHEFFIELD, MOORE, > MATTOX, OVERSTREET, HARDEMAN, STRICKLAND, MCKENZIE, > MCPHERSON, BAKER, MOCK, SICELOFF, RODDENBERRY, DELK, > GUNN, STEMBRIDGE > I descend from Camden/Charlton Co. GA people: > JOHN D. JONES b. 1832 VA m. Sylvania SHEFFIELD (dtr > of John) > John Jones' brother was my ancestor. His name was > JETHRO J. (OR A) JONES, b 1829 NC, but res. > Camden/Charlton Co.GA and was mar. to Sarah Moore of > Tattnall Co.GA in 1855. > OK, now Jethro and Sarah had a son, COHEN IVERSON > JONES b. 1869 Folkston, Charlton Co., who I descend > from. > ***BUT, they also had a son named CHARLES J. JONES > b. 1857 Charlton Co., and he marr. Mary SICELOFF... > They had a son named WM. BAXTER JONES b. 1904. > *Apparently this line descends from JOSEPH > SICELOFF and LAURA MOCK.* > I know this is a LONG way around things, but I'm > hoping to find SOMEONE who may know something more > about my JONES line, and since Charles JOnes marr. > Mary SICELOFF, I thought I'd try going "thru the > back door", so to speak! > I was told by someone that JOHN D. JONES' middle > initial stands for "Daughtery", which it is said to > be the maiden name of John and Jethro's mother. I am > really trying to find the parents of my JETHRO & > JOHN JONES. I halfway suspect they may descend from > JAMES JONES & NANCY DELK, but havent found the > connection. Or possbly from HARLEY JONES, and > perhaps related to ROBERT JONES of same county. > Hope to hear from anyone who may have any Info! > **PLEASE EMAIL ME BACK VIA EMAIL as I may not see it > on a List!** > (I'm not ON all these lists!!) > Thanks, > Cuz'n Tina/CA tpeddie@charter.net > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Please respond directly to Sandi as she is not on the List. --- Goderrygo@aol.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 00:27:33 -0700 > From: Goderrygo@aol.com > To: Jones-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: {not a subscriber} JONES, Mariah > > Hello to Jones List - Please reply to my email > address, not to list. > John Daniel Mitchell born MS, Jan 15, 1840 - married > Eunice Elizabeth (Unice, > Unis, Units) Hodges b. TN, Dec 14, 1840, daughter of > Douglas F. Hodges and > Mariah Jones) in Haywood Cty TN in 1868, and later > moved his family to Newton > County, MO. They are still there...Hornet Cemetery, > Hornet, MO > Would anyone have any information regarding Mariah > Jones? > Thank You!! > Sandi Mitchell > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

1920 Census Kansas Seward County Fargo Township near Liberty City Page 6A Robert Kyle Jones age 64 Arkansas, Father born Virginia, mother born Arkansas Clara A wife age 64 West Virginia, father born Virginia, mother born Virginia Children Unledigible ( could be Raymond, Reg????) M. son age 33 born Kansas Bishop son age 26 born Kansas. There is a William C. Jones living in Kansas, Anderson County, Ozark Township, 1920 census William C. Jones age 68 Arkansas, father born Virginia, mother born Delaware( not ledigible but looks like Delaware.) Rebecca Jones wife age 70 Virginia, father born Virginia, mother born Virginia No children listed although next door to them is a Jones family The census is pretty bad, Jones, possible Charles W.? age 47 Kansas, Arkansas, Virginia Anna Jones wife age 46 Illinois, Ohio, Ohio daughter Jones, first name unreadable age 20, Iowa, Kansas, Illinois son Jones ( P. ????) age 16 Kansas, Kansas, Illinois Ralph Dee Jones son age 8 Colorado, Kansas, Kansas Hope this helps Nancy M. Boyd Genealogists never die, they just loose their census Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.268 / Virus Database: 235 updated 12/29/2002

I'm trying to find the parents of Abigail Jones who married Peter Presho - 1 March 1739/40 in Taunton, Ma. Were they Joseph Jones and Abigail Caswell? The area and timing fits -- but haven't been able to ascertain that this is the proper Abigail for my line. Will appreciate any info. or helpful suggestions and hints for research on this line. Thanks, Ardie Brown Broward223@aol.com

While doing volunteer data entry at our local library in Ontario, California, I came across this obituary which might be of some interest to someone on this list. This does not relate to any surname that I am researching personally. Nancy Bead Stuck In Throat Cause of Tot's Death A bead which stuck in her throat led to the death of Wanda Elaine Jones, age 2 and one-half years, daughter of Staff Sgt. and Mrs. Weldon O. Jones at the Air Force Base hospital at Wichita Falls, Texas, yesterday, according to word received by Ontario relatives. The bead caused strangulation and although it was removed in a quick operation, meager information from Wichita said the child's lungs collapsed and doctors were powerless to save her. Wanda is survived by her parents, two brothers, Weldon Jr. and George W. and her grandparents, Tony Starr, Merced, Mrs. Opal Starr, Ontario, and Mr and Mrs. J. W. Jones of Sherman, Texas. Her mother is the former Wanda Mae Starr. The body will be brought to Los Angeles Thursday afternoon by American Airlines plane, thence transported to the J. B. Draper company mortuary where funeral arrangements will be completed later. The Daily Report, Ontario, California October 29, 1952

While doing volunteer data entry at our local library in Ontario, California, I came across this wedding announcement which might be of some interest to someone on this list. This does not relate to the Nicolls or Jones surnames that I am researching personally. Nancy Norton Nichols Claims Bride In Double-Ring Rite In Wales Newlyweds, Mr and Mrs. Norton Nichols, Jr., who exchanged nuptial vows and rings in a marriage ceremony solemnized in Llanelly, Wales, on July 14, were the honor guests Sunday at a wedding reception given by Mr and Mrs. Norton Nichols, Sr., 213 West J street, and Mr and Mrs. Robert Nichols, brother and sister-in-law of the bridegroom, at the latter's home, 1710 North Central avenue. The bride, the former Sarah Jane Jones, daughter of Mr and Mrs. E. J. Jones, of Llanelly, and her husband, arrived in the United States by plane from London, England, on August 11, reaching the West End last Tuesday. The bridegroom left the States in June for the British Isles to see the girl he met eight years ago while serving with U. S. military forces in Wales and with whom he had been corresponding. The nuptial troth was pledged in Christ church in Llanelly with the bride entering the church on the arm of her father. She wore a gown of lemon net over taffeta, a brown picture hat and brown accessories for the wedding, and she was attired in the same costume for the reception. At the reception, which followed the lemon yellow color scheme, the hostess wore a pink eyelet dress in a ballerina length and a corsage of baby orchids. The bridegroom's mother was attired in a blue crepe dress worn iwth a corsage of the miniature orchids. The bride wore an orchid corsage, too. Assisting at the garden event were Mrs. O. D. Hayward, Mrs. Robert Reed, Mrs. Howard Sagehorn and Mrs. Gerald Brown. Miss Melinda Brown circulated the guest book among the 75 persons attending. After the bridal couple cut the first piece of the wedding cake, they served pieces of a horse shoe shaped wedding cake brought from their reception in Wales to the assembled guests. The newlyweds will make their home in Lancaster where Mr. Nichols will begin his second year as a teacher in the social science department at Antelope Valley high school. He is a graduate of Chaffey high school and San Jose State college. He received his master's degree from Clarke university in Worcester, Mass., and his teacher's credential from Claremont Graduate school. The new Mrs. Nichols was employed as a cashier for an insurance company in Cardiff, Wales before her marriage. The Daily Report, Ontario, California August 19, 1952

While doing volunteer data entry at our local library in Ontario, California, I came across this obituary which might be of some interest to someone on this list. This does not relate to any surname that I am researching personally. Nancy Martha Dora Jones, 82, 414 East C street, died this morning at her home. She had been in failing health for about four years. Mrs. Jones was a native of North Carolina and had made her home in Ontario since 1903. She was a member of the First Baptist church. She is survived by two daughters, Mrs. Don Zimmerman of Ontario, and Mrs. Francis M. Lee of Laguna Beach; a sister, Miss Arla Sanders of Prentice, North Carolina, five grandchildren and six great-grandchildren. Funeral arrangements will be announced later by Richardson-Peterson mortuary. The Daily Report, Ontario, California May 27, 1952 Funeral services will be held tomorrow at 2:30 from Richardson-Peterson mortuary, 123 West G street, for Martha Dora Jones, 82, 414 East C street, who died yesterday at her home. Rev. Earl L. Riley, pastor of Ontario First Baptist church, will officiate. Interment in Bellevue cemetery beside the body of her husband who died in 1942. The Daily Report, Ontario, California May 29, 1952