I AM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THE VA FILES - LET IT GO ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph & Joan <luck@zianet.com> To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: [Jones] distruction of VA Wills and Probate > > Probate and Wills are part of our history. These documents should be archived, if not by the State then by Genealogical Societies or Historical Societies or other Historical preservation Societies. > Our comments and concerns should be addressed to the VA State Legislature. > > Joan Gooding > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html >

I don't know what part of "no more postings re: VA will bill" some people are not getting but I am very serious about this. Anyone who posts something about this topic again will be unsubscribed for a week. This includes anyone responding to such a post, even if they are in support of no more postings. I hope this is extremely clear to everyone. Additionally, I'm seeing some "attitude" on the List and it's not going to be tolerated. List rules include no flaming, no 'attitude', no politics, religion or spam. I do not want to be the 'list mommy' - everyone here is an adult and I expect them to behave as such. Kathi Jones-Hudson JONES Listowner __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

Probate and Wills are part of our history. These documents should be archived, if not by the State then by Genealogical Societies or Historical Societies or other Historical preservation Societies. Our comments and concerns should be addressed to the VA State Legislature. Joan Gooding

Thanks, Kathy; I prefer to read just info pertaining to JONES here.... Nancy

Yes -- I also descend from Virginians. BUT the list administrator has asked for the discussion to be stopped. Aloha Wayne, NH6K -----Original Message----- From: Brenda Overstreet [mailto:stonephoenix@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:25 AM To: JONES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Jones] distruction of VA Wills and Probate Give me a source to check out and a new place to look for my family connections, and I will be glad to discuss something else. You may think you have no need of the VA records in question, but most of our families connect back to VA in numerous ways and the "brick walls" we all have may come down with a bit of info from that very set of documents that they are thinking of destroying. I would love to have as good a source of info in Mississippi, does anyone know of one. Or in Georgia also. Brenda -----Original Message----- From: BETTY [mailto:4clown@web-access.net] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:22 PM To: JONES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Jones] distruction of VA Wills and Probate I AM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THE VA FILES - LET IT GO ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph & Joan <luck@zianet.com> To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: [Jones] distruction of VA Wills and Probate > > Probate and Wills are part of our history. These documents should be archived, if not by the State then by Genealogical Societies or Historical Societies or other Historical preservation Societies. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003 ==== JONES Mailing List ==== Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html

Hello, adding to my earlier plee regarding Marvin Jones and his wife Gertrude from Louisiana. His siblings were (some of them); Lillian, Dorothy "Dottie", Lottie (possible nickname)m. a Gillespie, Kenneth, Helen. Most of the siblings moved to Texas (Ft. Worth). HELLLLP!! Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Foister" <ppita@tampabay.rr.com> To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [Jones] VA WILL FILES / From Listowner: PLEASE READ > Here we go.........My brick wall is all around me! Does anyone ( if there > are any of you left), know of a Marvin Jones. His wife's name was Gertrude > "Gertie". They lived in Louisiana ( in the 1960's for sure). Marvin my > uncle, died possibly in the mid 1970's. > I don't have anything else on them.

Here we go.........My brick wall is all around me! Does anyone ( if there are any of you left), know of a Marvin Jones. His wife's name was Gertrude "Gertie". They lived in Louisiana ( in the 1960's for sure). Marvin my uncle, died possibly in the mid 1970's. I don't have anything else on them. > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > >

Jones Listers, Rod and Kathi: Rod has apologized to me publicly and privately. I agree with him one hundred percent. Politics does not belong on any Genealogy list of any kind. I do want to make myself clear on this subject. I stand beside my President one hundred percent. I do not have to agree with his beliefs or thinking but since he is the man who is running this country I stand beside him and support him. I have two childrren in the military, a son in the U.S Air Force and a daughter in the U.S. Navy. My son has been called to active duty. I am a mother who is very proud of her children (I have 4 and 9 grandchildren) and what they do with their lives. I want to tell you about my son? His name is Kenneth, he is married and has four children 14,11, 21/2 yrs and 8 months. He is a critical care nurse. His wife is a maternity nurse. Since this man was born it was his dream to become a military person, He wanted to support his country, his president and the people of the United States. He was a very happy go lucky kid never had a bad temper always smiling. He was the teachers pet throughout his school years. When he was in his senior year of high school he wanted to join the Marines. My husband and I tried to tell him the marines were not for him but if that was what he wanted we supported him one hundred percent in his wishes. Well the day came when the Marines picked him up from our home and drove him downtown to the Marines enlistment center to show him around, this occurred about 5:00a.m. At seven a.m. my son called and asked us to come and get him. He realized the Marines weren't for him. Instead he joined the Air Force. On his 18th birthday I kissed and hugged my son good bye and the Air Force enlistment center and then watched him get on a plane for San Antonio, Texas. That was the hardest thing I have ever done watch my son leave home. For six weeks this young man underwent the rigors of being in the military. He was getting ready to graduate from basic. I drove from Michigan to San Antonio in 18 hours to be there when he graduated. My two brothers who lived in Texas were also there. My son graduated with honors from Boot camp. When I drove onto Lackland Air Force Base I heard this loud roar. It was my son and his unit hanging out the window of their dorm all welcoming his girlfiend and his parents on base. I cried and cried, I was so proud of him. He came home five months later and married his high school sweetheart. While he was fulfilling his tour they had two children, and when he finished his tour he decided to stay on the active reserve unit in Michigan. This young man worked two jobs, went to college and also did his active reserve duty. This young man has four children now and he has just recently bought a new home, has become a critical care nurse. He graduated from High School, Military and College all with honors while raising a family. He served in Africa for a short time, he served in Bosnia, and now he will be serving wherever he is needed, he isn't allowed to tell us where he is going but we all know where he is headed. My heart is breaking but I am a proud mother of an Air Force man! My daughter, Bethany is in the U.S. Navy as is her husband. They have two children. This little girl grew up to be a very beautiful young woman. When she started kindergarten and all through her elementary, junior high, senior high, College, Law School she never got anything less than an "A" on her school records. She obtained a full 4 yr scholarship to Wayne State University, a full 4 year scholarship to the DePaul School of Law in Illinois while working full time at two jobs also. I am very proud of my daughter and what she has accomplished. I am proud of her husband who has accomplished these same things as she has. I am proud of my Navy Woman! I have two more children who I am proud of also, one is an electrical contractor who got his contractors license and his master license all before he was 24 yrs old. He owns his own business and he has two children. I have my youngest daughter who is in law enforcement and works for the Federal Government. She has one daughter. To say I am proud of what my children have accomplished is an understatement. We all support our President irregardless whether we think he is right and or wrong. He is our President and I was raised to believe that he knows what he is doing. I don't have to agree with everything he does or does not do but as I said I am standing shoulder to shoulder with him. My only request to our President is that he take every precaution to protect my children, your children, husband, father, mothers, sisters, uncles and aunts. And believe me I have written to him my exact sentiments and I have asked that he protect all of us and that I would pray that he is doing the right thing and I also told him I am Proud to be an American. This is my last message discussing our President on this list. I hope you all understand where I am coming from. Jean Payton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Carpenter" <carpente@wcoil.com> To: "Kathi Jones-Hudson" <mdcat.geo@yahoo.com> Cc: <jeanpayton@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Jones List > I never copied you so I must assume Jean made the copy of a message that > was private. She wanted an apology from me which I did send to her, now we > will see if she has the guts to apologize for sending a private message to > someone that has no business reading it. This is no slam on you Kathi but > it is obvious that Jean doesn't read too well either. As I told Jean, I am > getting sick and tired of peaople make puns, fun, or other statements about > our President and their belief that what is going on over there has nothing > to do with this country. If we back out and leave this go, trust me, our > country will be called and we could lose even more of these brave men and > women. Anyway...u will NEVER see me post anything like this to list. > Again, my apologies to Jean and to you for even having to read it. Jean > also should have read where the note came from. > > Rod > > > > At 02:42 PM 2/12/03 -0800, you wrote: > >Jean & Rod: > > > >This is why there is to be NO discussions of a > >political nature on the List. I see by reading the > >threaded archive files that someone 'quoted' Jean and > >made negative comments about the President/war toys, > >etc. and can see where an error could have been made > >as to exactly who made the negative comment. It was > >Nancy who made the comment about "war toys" and she > >has been informed off-list that continued postings of > >a political nature will be cause for expulsion from > >the List. > > > >I am glad that these two messages are off-list; > >however, I believe that any response to anyone on a > >political issue is generally not a really good idea. > >We all have different opinions and political stances. > >In this case, Rod, I believe that you did indeed made > >an error as to who said something negative about the > >President and his 'war toys' and do indeed owe an > >apology to Jean. If you feel compelled to take this up > >with Nancy I cannot stop you, but I think that it will > >be a waste of energy. > > > >I personally don't feel that it's usually appropriate > >to contact someone off list in order to 'yell' at them > >for something they posted to the List, but I do > >understand that when it appears that someone has a > >negative attitude toward a national crisis that some > >of us may feel compelled to vent our feelings. > > > >Since this was an error, can you guys shake hands and > >go on from here? > > > >Kathi Jones-Hudson > >JONES Listowner > > > >PS: I do very much appreciate you taking this > >off-list. Any further discussions on the List will be > >cause for expulsion from the List and I do not want to > >have to do that to anyone. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > >

Preston, My exact sentiments as to why I stepped out of the list. Sometimes the personal axe grinding just gets in the way! Personally I believe these people need to be removed for the list. They are disruptive and not germane to searching for the Jones'. Rog -----Original Message----- From: Waderight@aol.com [mailto:Waderight@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:35 PM To: JONES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES unsubscribe When we get back on the subject of genealogy and not on one of our greatest Presidents in American history, e-mail me. Preston GOD BLESS AMERICA ==== JONES Mailing List ==== Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html

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unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: nancy4 [mailto:nancy4@cottoninternet.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:01 PM To: JONES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES Thank you Jean: You are a smart person. We know what is going on. Oil in Iraq? Bush from Texas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nancy4" <nancy4@cottoninternet.net> To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > Jean: > I agree with you about the documents. The president is busy with his war > toys. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JEAN PAYTON" <jeanpayton@earthlink.net> > To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > > > > That is what we are trying to stop from doing. Its fine to microfilm them > > but to destroy the originals would be a very costly mistake. The State of > > Virginia by allowing this destruction to happen is destroying a very > > important historical documents that date back to the 1600s when people > first > > started to arrive in the New World. > > > > What I don't understand is why they won't donate them to the historical > > Society, Library of Virginia, or to other Genealogical Societies. Simply > > the lack of storage is a very poor excuse for destroyng these documents. > > Massachusetts has just as much historical papers and they haven't > threatened > > to destroy for lack of space. > > > > Microfilming them is not always a cost effective way of retaining these > > histroical documents. When they are microfilmed people who do this often > > make mistakes. They don't photograph them properly, they miss pages, and > > sometimes destroy the whole document in the process. Look at some of the > > Census records we have. Some of them you can't read from the microfilm, > > some of them have black splotches on their lens which transfer to the > films. > > Historic Wills that date back 400 yrs are hard to read in the immediate > > copy. If they are hard to read in their original state microfiming will > > just make it harder to read. > > > > If we the people let these States do these things because they lack space > we > > stand to lose a very important part of our history and heritage. Our > > ancestors when writing their last testant and will wrote them with the > idea > > of protecting their families and heirs and leaving a piece of history when > > they were gone. > > > > It is just the State of Virginia,but there is the State of Florida who > want > > to do away with their State Library which houses all of their important > and > > historical documents, The state of Washington is another state who wants > to > > do away with their historical documentation. We are the family > researchers > > must ban together and let our government know that these are precious > > records that should be retained for ever not thrown away because they lack > > storage. The least they could do is to offer them to the Genealogical > > Societues or have them transcribed and put online for the world to see. > > > > One prime example of retaining these documents is to be able to prove who > > were the heirs. I was trying to connect my Spencer line and I was missing > > the name of one son. When I thought I had the rright father I was told > that > > he didn't have a son named John. Well when I found the will in New York > he > > indeed did have a son John which connected my line from the First Spencers > > to come to the New Wolrd. Without that will I would have been still > looking > > for the connection. > > > > So yes we all need to let the Senators, Delegates, Congressman, and our > > President know that these papers are very important to all of the people > of > > the United States not just that state. We need to make sure they retain > > these copies. I don't understand how they can lack for storage space nor > > the money to fund these records when they can vote themselve huge wage > > increases as they did this past year and then complain they don't have the > > money to continue restoration or continue to keep these documents > available > > to the World. > > Jean Payton > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "BILL & KARLI DYE" <bdye@tcac.net> > > To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > > > > > > > Thanks, I read what the summary was. Appreciate you giving me the > > > directions. > > > > > > Does that mean that as long as the wills are microfilmed then they can > be > > > destroyed -- like it says in the last line? > > > > > > Karli > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Jnshowl@aol.com> > > > > Wish this was a hoax. Go to the link below > > > > http://legis.state.va.us/ > > > > and type in this bill number SB818 > > > > Jackie Howell > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > > > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > > > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this > > site: > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > > > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > > > search the archives: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > > > Unusual JONES given names, > > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this > site: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > > search the archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > > Unusual JONES given names, > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html

AMEN! -----Original Message----- From: Roger Brofft [mailto:rbrofft@isoc.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:45 PM To: JONES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES Preston, My exact sentiments as to why I stepped out of the list. Sometimes the personal axe grinding just gets in the way! Personally I believe these people need to be removed for the list. They are disruptive and not germane to searching for the Jones'. Rog -----Original Message----- From: Waderight@aol.com [mailto:Waderight@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:35 PM To: JONES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES unsubscribe When we get back on the subject of genealogy and not on one of our greatest Presidents in American history, e-mail me. Preston GOD BLESS AMERICA ==== JONES Mailing List ==== Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html ==== JONES Mailing List ==== Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html

This was a private discussion and should not have been posted to the List - my apologies to all. Again, no further discussion on politics, war, etc. Thank you Kathi Jones-Hudson JONES Listowner __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com

What possible connection is there between Virginia making a stupid mistake about old documents and the crisis that the president is involved in. Do you think Osama and Saddam would preserve our historical documents -- or our lives for that matter. Stay on the subject and stop putting it on someone else's doorstep. Washington, District of Columbia, is not in Virginia and has little to do with state and local decisions like this one. -----Original Message----- From: nancy4 [mailto:nancy4@cottoninternet.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:08 PM To: JONES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES Jean: I agree with you about the documents. The president is busy with his war toys. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEAN PAYTON" <jeanpayton@earthlink.net> To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > That is what we are trying to stop from doing. Its fine to microfilm them > but to destroy the originals would be a very costly mistake. The State of > Virginia by allowing this destruction to happen is destroying a very > important historical documents that date back to the 1600s when people first > started to arrive in the New World. > > What I don't understand is why they won't donate them to the historical > Society, Library of Virginia, or to other Genealogical Societies. Simply > the lack of storage is a very poor excuse for destroyng these documents. > Massachusetts has just as much historical papers and they haven't threatened > to destroy for lack of space. > > Microfilming them is not always a cost effective way of retaining these > histroical documents. When they are microfilmed people who do this often > make mistakes. They don't photograph them properly, they miss pages, and > sometimes destroy the whole document in the process. Look at some of the > Census records we have. Some of them you can't read from the microfilm, > some of them have black splotches on their lens which transfer to the films. > Historic Wills that date back 400 yrs are hard to read in the immediate > copy. If they are hard to read in their original state microfiming will > just make it harder to read. > > If we the people let these States do these things because they lack space we > stand to lose a very important part of our history and heritage. Our > ancestors when writing their last testant and will wrote them with the idea > of protecting their families and heirs and leaving a piece of history when > they were gone. > > It is just the State of Virginia,but there is the State of Florida who want > to do away with their State Library which houses all of their important and > historical documents, The state of Washington is another state who wants to > do away with their historical documentation. We are the family researchers > must ban together and let our government know that these are precious > records that should be retained for ever not thrown away because they lack > storage. The least they could do is to offer them to the Genealogical > Societues or have them transcribed and put online for the world to see. > > One prime example of retaining these documents is to be able to prove who > were the heirs. I was trying to connect my Spencer line and I was missing > the name of one son. When I thought I had the rright father I was told that > he didn't have a son named John. Well when I found the will in New York he > indeed did have a son John which connected my line from the First Spencers > to come to the New Wolrd. Without that will I would have been still looking > for the connection. > > So yes we all need to let the Senators, Delegates, Congressman, and our > President know that these papers are very important to all of the people of > the United States not just that state. We need to make sure they retain > these copies. I don't understand how they can lack for storage space nor > the money to fund these records when they can vote themselve huge wage > increases as they did this past year and then complain they don't have the > money to continue restoration or continue to keep these documents available > to the World. > Jean Payton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BILL & KARLI DYE" <bdye@tcac.net> > To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > > > > Thanks, I read what the summary was. Appreciate you giving me the > > directions. > > > > Does that mean that as long as the wills are microfilmed then they can be > > destroyed -- like it says in the last line? > > > > Karli > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Jnshowl@aol.com> > > > Wish this was a hoax. Go to the link below > > > http://legis.state.va.us/ > > > and type in this bill number SB818 > > > Jackie Howell > > > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this > site: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > > search the archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > > Unusual JONES given names, > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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Brenda: There are now missiles around the white house. Look at the news on the internet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Overstreet" <stonephoenix@earthlink.net> To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: RE: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > What possible connection is there between Virginia making a stupid mistake > about old documents and the crisis that the president is involved in. > Do you think Osama and Saddam would preserve our historical documents -- or > our lives for that matter. > Stay on the subject and stop putting it on someone else's doorstep. > Washington, District of Columbia, is not in Virginia and has little to do > with state and local decisions like this one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nancy4 [mailto:nancy4@cottoninternet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:08 PM > To: JONES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > > > Jean: > I agree with you about the documents. The president is busy with his war > toys. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JEAN PAYTON" <jeanpayton@earthlink.net> > To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > > > > That is what we are trying to stop from doing. Its fine to microfilm them > > but to destroy the originals would be a very costly mistake. The State of > > Virginia by allowing this destruction to happen is destroying a very > > important historical documents that date back to the 1600s when people > first > > started to arrive in the New World. > > > > What I don't understand is why they won't donate them to the historical > > Society, Library of Virginia, or to other Genealogical Societies. Simply > > the lack of storage is a very poor excuse for destroyng these documents. > > Massachusetts has just as much historical papers and they haven't > threatened > > to destroy for lack of space. > > > > Microfilming them is not always a cost effective way of retaining these > > histroical documents. When they are microfilmed people who do this often > > make mistakes. They don't photograph them properly, they miss pages, and > > sometimes destroy the whole document in the process. Look at some of the > > Census records we have. Some of them you can't read from the microfilm, > > some of them have black splotches on their lens which transfer to the > films. > > Historic Wills that date back 400 yrs are hard to read in the immediate > > copy. If they are hard to read in their original state microfiming will > > just make it harder to read. > > > > If we the people let these States do these things because they lack space > we > > stand to lose a very important part of our history and heritage. Our > > ancestors when writing their last testant and will wrote them with the > idea > > of protecting their families and heirs and leaving a piece of history when > > they were gone. > > > > It is just the State of Virginia,but there is the State of Florida who > want > > to do away with their State Library which houses all of their important > and > > historical documents, The state of Washington is another state who wants > to > > do away with their historical documentation. We are the family > researchers > > must ban together and let our government know that these are precious > > records that should be retained for ever not thrown away because they lack > > storage. The least they could do is to offer them to the Genealogical > > Societues or have them transcribed and put online for the world to see. > > > > One prime example of retaining these documents is to be able to prove who > > were the heirs. I was trying to connect my Spencer line and I was missing > > the name of one son. When I thought I had the rright father I was told > that > > he didn't have a son named John. Well when I found the will in New York > he > > indeed did have a son John which connected my line from the First Spencers > > to come to the New Wolrd. Without that will I would have been still > looking > > for the connection. > > > > So yes we all need to let the Senators, Delegates, Congressman, and our > > President know that these papers are very important to all of the people > of > > the United States not just that state. We need to make sure they retain > > these copies. I don't understand how they can lack for storage space nor > > the money to fund these records when they can vote themselve huge wage > > increases as they did this past year and then complain they don't have the > > money to continue restoration or continue to keep these documents > available > > to the World. > > Jean Payton > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "BILL & KARLI DYE" <bdye@tcac.net> > > To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > > > > > > > Thanks, I read what the summary was. Appreciate you giving me the > > > directions. > > > > > > Does that mean that as long as the wills are microfilmed then they can > be > > > destroyed -- like it says in the last line? > > > > > > Karli > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Jnshowl@aol.com> > > > > Wish this was a hoax. Go to the link below > > > > http://legis.state.va.us/ > > > > and type in this bill number SB818 > > > > Jackie Howell > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > > > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > > > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this > > site: > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > > > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > > > search the archives: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > > > Unusual JONES given names, > > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this > site: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > > search the archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > > Unusual JONES given names, > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > search the archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > Unusual JONES given names, > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003 > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > >

Thank you Jean: You are a smart person. We know what is going on. Oil in Iraq? Bush from Texas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nancy4" <nancy4@cottoninternet.net> To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > Jean: > I agree with you about the documents. The president is busy with his war > toys. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JEAN PAYTON" <jeanpayton@earthlink.net> > To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > > > > That is what we are trying to stop from doing. Its fine to microfilm them > > but to destroy the originals would be a very costly mistake. The State of > > Virginia by allowing this destruction to happen is destroying a very > > important historical documents that date back to the 1600s when people > first > > started to arrive in the New World. > > > > What I don't understand is why they won't donate them to the historical > > Society, Library of Virginia, or to other Genealogical Societies. Simply > > the lack of storage is a very poor excuse for destroyng these documents. > > Massachusetts has just as much historical papers and they haven't > threatened > > to destroy for lack of space. > > > > Microfilming them is not always a cost effective way of retaining these > > histroical documents. When they are microfilmed people who do this often > > make mistakes. They don't photograph them properly, they miss pages, and > > sometimes destroy the whole document in the process. Look at some of the > > Census records we have. Some of them you can't read from the microfilm, > > some of them have black splotches on their lens which transfer to the > films. > > Historic Wills that date back 400 yrs are hard to read in the immediate > > copy. If they are hard to read in their original state microfiming will > > just make it harder to read. > > > > If we the people let these States do these things because they lack space > we > > stand to lose a very important part of our history and heritage. Our > > ancestors when writing their last testant and will wrote them with the > idea > > of protecting their families and heirs and leaving a piece of history when > > they were gone. > > > > It is just the State of Virginia,but there is the State of Florida who > want > > to do away with their State Library which houses all of their important > and > > historical documents, The state of Washington is another state who wants > to > > do away with their historical documentation. We are the family > researchers > > must ban together and let our government know that these are precious > > records that should be retained for ever not thrown away because they lack > > storage. The least they could do is to offer them to the Genealogical > > Societues or have them transcribed and put online for the world to see. > > > > One prime example of retaining these documents is to be able to prove who > > were the heirs. I was trying to connect my Spencer line and I was missing > > the name of one son. When I thought I had the rright father I was told > that > > he didn't have a son named John. Well when I found the will in New York > he > > indeed did have a son John which connected my line from the First Spencers > > to come to the New Wolrd. Without that will I would have been still > looking > > for the connection. > > > > So yes we all need to let the Senators, Delegates, Congressman, and our > > President know that these papers are very important to all of the people > of > > the United States not just that state. We need to make sure they retain > > these copies. I don't understand how they can lack for storage space nor > > the money to fund these records when they can vote themselve huge wage > > increases as they did this past year and then complain they don't have the > > money to continue restoration or continue to keep these documents > available > > to the World. > > Jean Payton > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "BILL & KARLI DYE" <bdye@tcac.net> > > To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > > > > > > > Thanks, I read what the summary was. Appreciate you giving me the > > > directions. > > > > > > Does that mean that as long as the wills are microfilmed then they can > be > > > destroyed -- like it says in the last line? > > > > > > Karli > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Jnshowl@aol.com> > > > > Wish this was a hoax. Go to the link below > > > > http://legis.state.va.us/ > > > > and type in this bill number SB818 > > > > Jackie Howell > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > > > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > > > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this > > site: > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > > > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > > > search the archives: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > > > Unusual JONES given names, > > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this > site: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > > search the archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > > Unusual JONES given names, > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > >

I know where you stand. The mention was to let the president know about the bill and this was my reply. Someone else mentioned him and I took the opportunity. Get your bleach ready for attacks and duck tape and plastic. Good message. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Overstreet" <stonephoenix@earthlink.net> To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: RE: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > What possible connection is there between Virginia making a stupid mistake > about old documents and the crisis that the president is involved in. > Do you think Osama and Saddam would preserve our historical documents -- or > our lives for that matter. > Stay on the subject and stop putting it on someone else's doorstep. > Washington, District of Columbia, is not in Virginia and has little to do > with state and local decisions like this one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nancy4 [mailto:nancy4@cottoninternet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:08 PM > To: JONES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > > > Jean: > I agree with you about the documents. The president is busy with his war > toys. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JEAN PAYTON" <jeanpayton@earthlink.net> > To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > > > > That is what we are trying to stop from doing. Its fine to microfilm them > > but to destroy the originals would be a very costly mistake. The State of > > Virginia by allowing this destruction to happen is destroying a very > > important historical documents that date back to the 1600s when people > first > > started to arrive in the New World. > > > > What I don't understand is why they won't donate them to the historical > > Society, Library of Virginia, or to other Genealogical Societies. Simply > > the lack of storage is a very poor excuse for destroyng these documents. > > Massachusetts has just as much historical papers and they haven't > threatened > > to destroy for lack of space. > > > > Microfilming them is not always a cost effective way of retaining these > > histroical documents. When they are microfilmed people who do this often > > make mistakes. They don't photograph them properly, they miss pages, and > > sometimes destroy the whole document in the process. Look at some of the > > Census records we have. Some of them you can't read from the microfilm, > > some of them have black splotches on their lens which transfer to the > films. > > Historic Wills that date back 400 yrs are hard to read in the immediate > > copy. If they are hard to read in their original state microfiming will > > just make it harder to read. > > > > If we the people let these States do these things because they lack space > we > > stand to lose a very important part of our history and heritage. Our > > ancestors when writing their last testant and will wrote them with the > idea > > of protecting their families and heirs and leaving a piece of history when > > they were gone. > > > > It is just the State of Virginia,but there is the State of Florida who > want > > to do away with their State Library which houses all of their important > and > > historical documents, The state of Washington is another state who wants > to > > do away with their historical documentation. We are the family > researchers > > must ban together and let our government know that these are precious > > records that should be retained for ever not thrown away because they lack > > storage. The least they could do is to offer them to the Genealogical > > Societues or have them transcribed and put online for the world to see. > > > > One prime example of retaining these documents is to be able to prove who > > were the heirs. I was trying to connect my Spencer line and I was missing > > the name of one son. When I thought I had the rright father I was told > that > > he didn't have a son named John. Well when I found the will in New York > he > > indeed did have a son John which connected my line from the First Spencers > > to come to the New Wolrd. Without that will I would have been still > looking > > for the connection. > > > > So yes we all need to let the Senators, Delegates, Congressman, and our > > President know that these papers are very important to all of the people > of > > the United States not just that state. We need to make sure they retain > > these copies. I don't understand how they can lack for storage space nor > > the money to fund these records when they can vote themselve huge wage > > increases as they did this past year and then complain they don't have the > > money to continue restoration or continue to keep these documents > available > > to the World. > > Jean Payton > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "BILL & KARLI DYE" <bdye@tcac.net> > > To: <JONES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [Jones] VIRGINIA SENATE BILL DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES > > > > > > > Thanks, I read what the summary was. Appreciate you giving me the > > > directions. > > > > > > Does that mean that as long as the wills are microfilmed then they can > be > > > destroyed -- like it says in the last line? > > > > > > Karli > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Jnshowl@aol.com> > > > > Wish this was a hoax. Go to the link below > > > > http://legis.state.va.us/ > > > > and type in this bill number SB818 > > > > Jackie Howell > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > > > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > > > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this > > site: > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > > > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > > > search the archives: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > > > Unusual JONES given names, > > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this > site: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > > search the archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > > Unusual JONES given names, > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > > > > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at > jones-admin@rootsweb.com > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > search the archives: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > Unusual JONES given names, > http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.445 / Virus Database: 250 - Release Date: 1/21/2003 > > > ==== JONES Mailing List ==== > Direct your questions, comments or problems to the listowner at jones-admin@rootsweb.com > For detailed instructions on subscribing and unsubscribing visit this site: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/j/jones.html > browse the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/jones > search the archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JONES > Unusual JONES given names, http://members.aol.com/stjones/jones/oddnames.html > >

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Appreciate getting all the info and it certainly is something that we need to be concerned about. thanks for forwarding the message. Karli

Good for you, Kathy...You are doing a good job....