Hi Kay, I have been getting some good feedback from Victoria Dunlop, Michael McCormack and Richard Bolitho re my 'family trees'. They have been most helpful adding info and correcting my assumptions. Would you like me to send some of the amended trees or is that clogging up the Jolly email too much do you think? The East Newlyn Jollys tie in closely with the St Enoder/Ladock lot and Victoria has done a lot of work on them. She also explained to a very dim me that East Newlyn is next door to St Enoder (west) and the other Newlyn (St Peter) was not created until 1851 from the parish of St Paul. I have also been collating as much info as I could on the children of John Jolly and Loveday Blackmore. If you have any thing that would fill the gaps I would be grateful. John JOLLY = Loveday BLACKMORE bp 25.2.1782 Ladock b 8.3.1795 St St in Brannell bur 28.4.1858 (77) St Stephen in Brannell bur 1.10.1843 (48) mar 10.2.1811 Ladock Mt Charles, St Austell 1841 census aged 50 carpenter Mt Charles village, St Austell. 1851 census widower 68 lodger with William Carlyon (30) and his wife Elizabeth (45) at Eden Cottage, Ladock. (Is anything else known?) 1) Elizabeth JOLLY (Betsy) *****Kay's line bp 23.2.1812 Ladock m 10.9.1840 Ponsanooth Joseph Jolly (cousin) d 27 10 1895 Moonta Sth Aust bur Moonta Cemetery Sth Aust 1841 census 1851 census (when sailed for Sth Africa and thence Sth Australia?) 2) John JOLLY bp 3.7.1814 Ladock m Jane ---- of Somerset b 1814 d Guernsey? 1841 census living with parents, miner St Austell 1851 census 1861 census 1871 census 1881 census quarryman St Michael, Is Guernsey 3) William JOLLY bp 8.9.1816 Ladock m Philippa WILLIAMS b 1817 St Stephen in Brannell d pre 1888 Jewel County, Kansas U.S.A. 1841 census 1851 census miner in St Stephen in Brannell - Elizabeth b. 1843 St Austell (clay labourer St St 1861) - Phillipa b. 1845 St Austell - William b.1847 St Stephen in Brannell - Joseph b.1848 St St in Br 1861 census stone cutter St Stephen in Brannell 1871 census (migrated to U.S.A. prior to 1888) (Any more known?) I'll send more later, Pat Milne P.S. Michael McCormack said the first Jolly (William) in St Enoder records, who marr Katherine Warne at St Ervyn (do not know where that is in Cornwall must ask Michael) in 25/6/1594 was the VICAR of ST ENODER. I wonder if there is a way of tracing his origins through church records? Pat ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com