Dear Pam, always trust the death certificate first. Someone close to the decedent gave the information to the coroner for the death certificate or the family doctor filled out the death certificate. I would say that you are on safe ground with Benjamin being the father. What is Benjamin's age at the 1870 Census? Go back to the 1860 Census and see who is in the household of Benjamin and John A. Benjamin's wife may have been living in 1860 or 1870. I would also check the 1850 Census. You should also check wills and probates for Benjamin and John A. Do you know when they died? What county are you looking at? The U.S. Genweb project lists complete census for the counties in MS. Their site is: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/name of county/census/1860/pg0001a.txt Type in the same thing and insert the county and year of census and it should take you to the Census for that county with people that are enumerated with the head of household and their occupation. Good hunting. doc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Tyler" <mommycita@cox.net> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:30 AM Subject: RE: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston >I wish it were that easy...on the 1870 census Andrew is listed in the > household of John A. with no relationship listed and with Benjamin (who > is blind) living next door. On Andrew's death certificate it lists > father's name as Benjamin--no mother's name. John A. is age 70 at time > of 1870 census--with no wife. Can you see why I am uncertain who the > "real" father is? > > Anyone have any suggestions? > > Pam in sunny Arizona > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Flanders [mailto:CFlanders@hot.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:40 PM > To: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > > > Pam, since Andrew was born 9 Apr., 1861, wouldn't he listed in the 1870 > Census of MS either in the household of John or Benjamin Johnston? The > Census would indicate his relationship to the head of household. > regards, > doc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Tyler" <mommycita@cox.net> > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:27 AM > Subject: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > > >> Does anyone have the following individual in their database: >> >> Benjamin H. Johnston >> b abt 1836 in Mississippi >> md Sarah Butler (wife #1) 9 Dec 1858 >> >> >> I'm trying to ascertain whether a child, Andrew J. Johnston b 9 Apr >> 1861, was the child of Benjamin or of Benjamin's father, John A. >> Johnston. >> >> I would really appreciate help on this. >> >> Happy Holidays! >> >> Pam in sunny Arizona >> >> >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >> Messages posted to the Johnston Message board at RootsWeb are no >> longer automatically sent to this list. >> >> > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Looking for information on your Johnstons? > Post a message to this list by sending it to: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Use a specific subject line for best results. Include full name, spouse > (if known), dates, and LOCATION. > >
At 12:01 AM 12/4/2004, Charles Flanders wrote: >Dear Pam, always trust the death certificate first. Someone close to the >decedent gave the information to the coroner for the death certificate or >the family doctor filled out the death certificate. [snip] I would say trust to a certain degree but also verify. My husband's grandmother, Chloe Zay (Clark) Johnston, was driving with her husband, Homer Virgil Johnston, quite a ways from home when they were involved in an auto accident. She was killed, and Homer gave the information for the death certificate. Most of the information was wrong because he was so terribly upset. Beth Johnston
Pam, did you try the Wills and probates of the county of MS that he resided in? doc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Flanders" <CFlanders@hot.rr.com> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > Dear Pam, always trust the death certificate first. Someone close to the > decedent gave the information to the coroner for the death certificate or > the family doctor filled out the death certificate. I would say that you > are on safe ground with Benjamin being the father. What is Benjamin's age > at the 1870 Census? Go back to the 1860 Census and see who is in the > household of Benjamin and John A. Benjamin's wife may have been living in > 1860 or 1870. I would also check the 1850 Census. You should also check > wills and probates for Benjamin and John A. Do you know when they died? > What county are you looking at? The U.S. Genweb project lists complete > census for the counties in MS. Their site is: > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/name of > county/census/1860/pg0001a.txt > > Type in the same thing and insert the county and year of census and it > should take you to the Census for that county with people that are > enumerated with the head of household and their occupation. Good hunting. > doc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Tyler" <mommycita@cox.net> > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:30 AM > Subject: RE: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > > >>I wish it were that easy...on the 1870 census Andrew is listed in the >> household of John A. with no relationship listed and with Benjamin (who >> is blind) living next door. On Andrew's death certificate it lists >> father's name as Benjamin--no mother's name. John A. is age 70 at time >> of 1870 census--with no wife. Can you see why I am uncertain who the >> "real" father is? >> >> Anyone have any suggestions? >> >> Pam in sunny Arizona >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charles Flanders [mailto:CFlanders@hot.rr.com] >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:40 PM >> To: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston >> >> >> Pam, since Andrew was born 9 Apr., 1861, wouldn't he listed in the 1870 >> Census of MS either in the household of John or Benjamin Johnston? The >> Census would indicate his relationship to the head of household. >> regards, >> doc >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pam Tyler" <mommycita@cox.net> >> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:27 AM >> Subject: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston >> >> >>> Does anyone have the following individual in their database: >>> >>> Benjamin H. Johnston >>> b abt 1836 in Mississippi >>> md Sarah Butler (wife #1) 9 Dec 1858 >>> >>> >>> I'm trying to ascertain whether a child, Andrew J. Johnston b 9 Apr >>> 1861, was the child of Benjamin or of Benjamin's father, John A. >>> Johnston. >>> >>> I would really appreciate help on this. >>> >>> Happy Holidays! >>> >>> Pam in sunny Arizona >>> >>> >>> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >>> Messages posted to the Johnston Message board at RootsWeb are no >>> longer automatically sent to this list. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >> Looking for information on your Johnstons? >> Post a message to this list by sending it to: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >> Use a specific subject line for best results. Include full name, spouse >> (if known), dates, and LOCATION. >> >> > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check alternative spellings like Johnson and Johnstone. > >
Yes...nothing there. :-( Pam -----Original Message----- From: Charles Flanders [mailto:CFlanders@hot.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:00 PM To: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston Pam, did you try the Wills and probates of the county of MS that he resided in? doc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Flanders" <CFlanders@hot.rr.com> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > Dear Pam, always trust the death certificate first. Someone close to > the > decedent gave the information to the coroner for the death certificate or > the family doctor filled out the death certificate. I would say that you > are on safe ground with Benjamin being the father. What is Benjamin's age > at the 1870 Census? Go back to the 1860 Census and see who is in the > household of Benjamin and John A. Benjamin's wife may have been living in > 1860 or 1870. I would also check the 1850 Census. You should also check > wills and probates for Benjamin and John A. Do you know when they died? > What county are you looking at? The U.S. Genweb project lists complete > census for the counties in MS. Their site is: > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/name of > county/census/1860/pg0001a.txt > > Type in the same thing and insert the county and year of census and it > should take you to the Census for that county with people that are > enumerated with the head of household and their occupation. Good hunting. > doc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Tyler" <mommycita@cox.net> > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:30 AM > Subject: RE: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > > >>I wish it were that easy...on the 1870 census Andrew is listed in the >>household of John A. with no relationship listed and with Benjamin >>(who is blind) living next door. On Andrew's death certificate it >>lists father's name as Benjamin--no mother's name. John A. is age 70 >>at time of 1870 census--with no wife. Can you see why I am uncertain >>who the "real" father is? >> >> Anyone have any suggestions? >> >> Pam in sunny Arizona >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charles Flanders [mailto:CFlanders@hot.rr.com] >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:40 PM >> To: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston >> >> >> Pam, since Andrew was born 9 Apr., 1861, wouldn't he listed in the >> 1870 Census of MS either in the household of John or Benjamin >> Johnston? The Census would indicate his relationship to the head of >> household. regards, doc >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pam Tyler" <mommycita@cox.net> >> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:27 AM >> Subject: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston >> >> >>> Does anyone have the following individual in their database: >>> >>> Benjamin H. Johnston >>> b abt 1836 in Mississippi >>> md Sarah Butler (wife #1) 9 Dec 1858 >>> >>> >>> I'm trying to ascertain whether a child, Andrew J. Johnston b 9 Apr >>> 1861, was the child of Benjamin or of Benjamin's father, John A. >>> Johnston. >>> >>> I would really appreciate help on this. >>> >>> Happy Holidays! >>> >>> Pam in sunny Arizona >>> >>> >>> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >>> Messages posted to the Johnston Message board at RootsWeb are no >>> longer automatically sent to this list. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >> Looking for information on your Johnstons? >> Post a message to this list by sending it to: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >> Use a specific subject line for best results. Include full name, >> spouse >> (if known), dates, and LOCATION. >> >> > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check alternative spellings like Johnson and > Johnstone. > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== A note re AOL blocking Rootsweb List Mail: AOL users should not to ever delete mail FROM the spam folder that comes to them through RootsWeb. Before deleting RW mail, or closing the SPAM folder, move the RW message to the inbox first by clicking THIS IS NOT SPAM and then delete it. Otherwise it gets reported to AOL as being spam and RootsWeb is blamed. To read more and join the discussion, AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.h tml
Pam, I wasn't trying to be a smart aleck, but was sincerely trying to help. I have a Nathaniel Bailey Johnston that I have been trying to find the parents of for a looooooong time. But sometimes you hit these brick walls before a breakthrough. What county in MS is your Benjamin and Alexander listed in? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Flanders" <CFlanders@hot.rr.com> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > Dear Pam, always trust the death certificate first. Someone close to the > decedent gave the information to the coroner for the death certificate or > the family doctor filled out the death certificate. I would say that you > are on safe ground with Benjamin being the father. What is Benjamin's age > at the 1870 Census? Go back to the 1860 Census and see who is in the > household of Benjamin and John A. Benjamin's wife may have been living in > 1860 or 1870. I would also check the 1850 Census. You should also check > wills and probates for Benjamin and John A. Do you know when they died? > What county are you looking at? The U.S. Genweb project lists complete > census for the counties in MS. Their site is: > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/name of > county/census/1860/pg0001a.txt > > Type in the same thing and insert the county and year of census and it > should take you to the Census for that county with people that are > enumerated with the head of household and their occupation. Good hunting. > doc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Tyler" <mommycita@cox.net> > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:30 AM > Subject: RE: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > > >>I wish it were that easy...on the 1870 census Andrew is listed in the >> household of John A. with no relationship listed and with Benjamin (who >> is blind) living next door. On Andrew's death certificate it lists >> father's name as Benjamin--no mother's name. John A. is age 70 at time >> of 1870 census--with no wife. Can you see why I am uncertain who the >> "real" father is? >> >> Anyone have any suggestions? >> >> Pam in sunny Arizona >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charles Flanders [mailto:CFlanders@hot.rr.com] >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:40 PM >> To: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston >> >> >> Pam, since Andrew was born 9 Apr., 1861, wouldn't he listed in the 1870 >> Census of MS either in the household of John or Benjamin Johnston? The >> Census would indicate his relationship to the head of household. >> regards, >> doc >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pam Tyler" <mommycita@cox.net> >> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:27 AM >> Subject: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston >> >> >>> Does anyone have the following individual in their database: >>> >>> Benjamin H. Johnston >>> b abt 1836 in Mississippi >>> md Sarah Butler (wife #1) 9 Dec 1858 >>> >>> >>> I'm trying to ascertain whether a child, Andrew J. Johnston b 9 Apr >>> 1861, was the child of Benjamin or of Benjamin's father, John A. >>> Johnston. >>> >>> I would really appreciate help on this. >>> >>> Happy Holidays! >>> >>> Pam in sunny Arizona >>> >>> >>> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >>> Messages posted to the Johnston Message board at RootsWeb are no >>> longer automatically sent to this list. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >> Looking for information on your Johnstons? >> Post a message to this list by sending it to: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >> Use a specific subject line for best results. Include full name, spouse >> (if known), dates, and LOCATION. >> >> > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check alternative spellings like Johnson and Johnstone. > >