Hi All ~ Thought I'd do a refresher - my little Johnston pod arrived as late immigrants from Argyll County, Scotland to the USA, about 1898 for the first entry in my direct line. (Alexander Johnston 1878 - 1929), settling in the Lander, WY area. Other brothers also came, one to Lander, another to Laramie, WY. If this sounds familiar to anyone, I'd love to hear from you. Hoping all will have a great holiday season. Joy in Missouri http://showcase.netins.net/web/hobbyco/

No problem for me. I am not interested in helping someone that asks for help then hands me my head for doing so. If it's opinions one wants, the net is full of them and they don't need mine. You didn't offend me, it's those people that know everything about genealogical research but can't even tell you when or where their ancestors lived and then criticize your research methods that are time proven in any research discipline. Nuff said. I'm through. doc ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pepsilau@aol.com> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Death Certificates/ Birth Certificates > Doc, > > Sorry! I meant no offense whatsoever...I was just trying to point out > that, > while it's great to have them, the "official" records are not always > correct. And, as you pointed out, you should always verify them against > whatever > other records (bibles, diaries, etc.) you can find. > > Again, terribly sorry if I offended; we all appreciate your help! > > Karen > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Visit the Johnston surname Message board! > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=Surnames.Johnston > >

Doc, Sorry! I meant no offense whatsoever...I was just trying to point out that, while it's great to have them, the "official" records are not always correct. And, as you pointed out, you should always verify them against whatever other records (bibles, diaries, etc.) you can find. Again, terribly sorry if I offended; we all appreciate your help! Karen

I will add one more bit of "new" information to this thread, learned through the recent death of a brother-in-law. If the precise date and circumstances of death are not known at the time death is discovered (i.e., a person who is found days or even weeks after death occurs with no signs of violence), the newspaper publishes the date of discovery as the date of death. Since autopsy results take considerable time, this can result in the reported date of death being wrong by as many days as the person was actually deceased. Also, it may be necessary for the next of kin, or other informant for the death certificate, to make sure the death certificate waits for the autopsy.

Probably we think the ones most often incorrect are the ones we, personally, have had problems with. Whatever we get in records are at least records and can usually be deciphered. They are it, in other words, whatever are on them. I know I have three birthdates for my paternal great grandfather. I'd love to know which one is correct, but I do not think I ever will. He was born before the days of birth certificates. So I would gladly take one if I could whatever it says. But it might even give a 4th birth date if there could have been a birth certificate! Oh, well. Jeanne

Hey folks! Enough is enough!! I was just trying to help someone and get handed my head for doing so. Anyone that has been doing genealogy knows that pst events change with each generation that passes. Therefore, we have to rely on the written word which was done at the time of the event depicted. OF COURSE THERE CAN BE ERRORS IN THE WRITTEN Word. Even those things esconced in stone are privvy to error. We are, after all, only humans. I check all of the written records available, Bible records included, family letters from the period, but most of all I try to get the official records of the event, i.e. marriage, death, birth when available,obituaries, newspaper articles, will and probate records, adoption records, military records, pension records, work records, newspaper articles, etc., etc. I hope this ends the subject. Mea Culpa, I can and have and will be wrong, but I believe what i believe due to research I have had to do to get advanced degrees. Anyone that disagrees and feels that they must show me up go right ahead. You will get no further comments from me on the subject. doc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Shuler" <bshuler@comcast.net> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Death Certificates/ Birth Certificates > It's a finew thing to know about if your family gives problems. I would > say > that, if a fact about a person'e life sounds impossible, it probably is! > My Birth notice in the paper had me named Veverly! > Beverly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Pepsilau@aol.com> > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Death Certificates/ Birth Certificates > > >> Bev, >> >> For those who believe birth certificates are more reliable than death >> certificates, go to an adoption search site...you'll see how birth >> records > can, and >> are, manipulated to "protect" people. It's amazing what people will go >> through, and what lies get put on birth certificates, to "cover up" an > adoption! >> Even "original" birth certificates (as opposed to the "amended" ones > issued >> after an adoption is finalized) are often full of misinformation. >> >> I've really enjoyed this latest discussion about the reliability and >> authenticity of records; it's a real eye-opener! >> >> Karen >> >> >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to check alternative spellings like Johnson and Johnstone. >> > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Please send messages you would like to post to the JOHNSTON mailing list > to: > JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com >

Hi, You might find something on Scotsorigion.com This is a free site. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Johnston" <robert.johnston.wg74@wharton.upenn.edu> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: [JOHNSTON] Greetings >I just joined this list and it's getting late in the evening so I will have > to postpone until a later date a full ancestor list. > > In short, I am the G'Grandson of Robert William Johnston, who emigrated > from > Galashiels, Scotland to Philadelphia, PA, USA ca. 1880. My group of > Johnstons have not been very prolific and my three sons and I represent > the > only "known-for-sure" Johnstons from this line. I say "known-for-sure" > since > George W. Johnston, Jr., a first cousin of my father, came home from WWII > in > 1945 and elected to move "out west" (Chicago area?) and was never seen or > heard from again by my Philadelphia-based clan. > > I have two interests: > > 1. Tracking down descendants of George W. Johnston, Jr. if any exist. > > 2. Determining how to trace Scottish birth/marriage/death records back > beyond the UK census of 1851, which records my G'Grandfather's family > living > in Galashiels, Scotland. The entire family evidently emigrated to the US > for > reasons unknown. My G'Grandfather's only brother died without issue and > there are probably some living descendants in one of the the two female > lines from his sisters (there were female line descendants alive in > Paterson > NJ in 1951), the other sister's line having died out in the 1930's. > > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check alternative spellings like Johnson and Johnstone. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004

Yes Social Security Records can be wrong. My granddaughter's birth father has legally two totally different names and by using any combination of the first middle and last names he has taken out two for sure, possibly social security numbers to avoid child support. It happens.

I just joined this list and it's getting late in the evening so I will have to postpone until a later date a full ancestor list. In short, I am the G'Grandson of Robert William Johnston, who emigrated from Galashiels, Scotland to Philadelphia, PA, USA ca. 1880. My group of Johnstons have not been very prolific and my three sons and I represent the only "known-for-sure" Johnstons from this line. I say "known-for-sure" since George W. Johnston, Jr., a first cousin of my father, came home from WWII in 1945 and elected to move "out west" (Chicago area?) and was never seen or heard from again by my Philadelphia-based clan. I have two interests: 1. Tracking down descendants of George W. Johnston, Jr. if any exist. 2. Determining how to trace Scottish birth/marriage/death records back beyond the UK census of 1851, which records my G'Grandfather's family living in Galashiels, Scotland. The entire family evidently emigrated to the US for reasons unknown. My G'Grandfather's only brother died without issue and there are probably some living descendants in one of the the two female lines from his sisters (there were female line descendants alive in Paterson NJ in 1951), the other sister's line having died out in the 1930's.

Jeanne, My cousin applied FOUR times for a social security number for her son...the first time, the records were "lost". The second and third time the info was incorrect. Finally, when the child was almost 4 years old, they got an actual, correct ss# and birth certificate for him - this year! If my cousin hadn't carefully checked the info when it was sent to her for her signature, it wouldn't have gotten corrected. So these aren't just things that happened long ago, they're still happening today. Karen

It's a finew thing to know about if your family gives problems. I would say that, if a fact about a person'e life sounds impossible, it probably is! My Birth notice in the paper had me named Veverly! Beverly ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pepsilau@aol.com> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Death Certificates/ Birth Certificates > Bev, > > For those who believe birth certificates are more reliable than death > certificates, go to an adoption search site...you'll see how birth records can, and > are, manipulated to "protect" people. It's amazing what people will go > through, and what lies get put on birth certificates, to "cover up" an adoption! > Even "original" birth certificates (as opposed to the "amended" ones issued > after an adoption is finalized) are often full of misinformation. > > I've really enjoyed this latest discussion about the reliability and > authenticity of records; it's a real eye-opener! > > Karen > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check alternative spellings like Johnson and Johnstone. >

It would have been nice if all of our antecedants could have been born after Social Security (or any other country's counterpart) had come into existence. Social Security applications are filled out by the recipient of the number applied for. One would think that the information on them would certainly be correct. However, if a person has a tendency to fudge, I suppose it can be done on those records, too. I have not, nonetheless, found information in those records to be in error. But I have found errors on both birth and death records, as well as marriage and census records, but actually more on death records than birth and marriage ones. I thought it might have to do with a parent giving the data for the birth, and the happy couple supplying marriage data, while a death, especially when the decedent is elderly, is left to the mercy of grandchildren or children who are not always very perceptive about facts or spelling. Good Luck, Jeanne

Bev, For those who believe birth certificates are more reliable than death certificates, go to an adoption search site...you'll see how birth records can, and are, manipulated to "protect" people. It's amazing what people will go through, and what lies get put on birth certificates, to "cover up" an adoption! Even "original" birth certificates (as opposed to the "amended" ones issued after an adoption is finalized) are often full of misinformation. I've really enjoyed this latest discussion about the reliability and authenticity of records; it's a real eye-opener! Karen

You might add that birth certificates are just as fallible. Mine was wrong, and was published in the newspaper that way! HOWEVER: They are still the best evidence we can get. Word of mouth is just that, and the later after the event, the story is told, the more errors creep in. Hospital records are fairly good. They are, after all, primary evidence. Censuses can be very wrong. So can tombstones. Weigh all of the evidence you can gather for a certain statistic or fact on someone, but the greater weight of the evidence should win out. How much do you have to back up the death cert.? Funeral home records? Write-up in the newspaper with the date of the paper on the page with it? Family Bible? Family papers written by some old gal like me? (Memory still good?) Then put them all together. Draw conclusions from all the facts, not just one or two. One of my favorite illustrations is the newspaper write-up of Sen. James Johnston, Jr.'s death. I finally found the date of the newspaper which should have covered this story; since he died as a fairly young man, and this was his home area. It was in the Univ. of Georgia Library. Had to order it. When I finally found the issue and the front page, a nice, neat clipping had been done of the feature story about someone's funeral. I mean, they didn't leave even a word of it. (This is known as the "back to the drawing board" or the "back to the salt mines." phase.) It is a revolting turn of events. So, as Miss Virginia Livingston, a famous genealogist one said, "Therre being no evidence to the contrary..." If you publish this sort of comment, you will surely have a hot letter or E-Mail from someone. Beverly Shuler

Hi All, I must differ on the view that the death certificate is always more reliable. Sometimes the facts are transcribed into the state files incorrectly and you get bad data when you send for these records. My grandmother, who died in 1949 in a very small town in LA, is listed as "Negro" on the death certificate. She was Caucasian and that would have been readily apparent and well known to everybody in the community. So I guess in some cases, it's still "garbage in, garbage out". J J > [Original Message] > From: Charles Flanders <CFlanders@hot.rr.com> > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 12/4/04 2:01:22 AM > Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > > Dear Pam, always trust the death certificate first. Someone close to the > decedent gave the information to the coroner for the death certificate or > the family doctor filled out the death certificate. I would say that you > are on safe ground with Benjamin being the father. What is Benjamin's age > at the 1870 Census? Go back to the 1860 Census and see who is in the > household of Benjamin and John A. Benjamin's wife may have been living in > 1860 or 1870. I would also check the 1850 Census. You should also check > wills and probates for Benjamin and John A. Do you know when they died? > What county are you looking at? The U.S. Genweb project lists complete > census for the counties in MS. Their site is: > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ms/name of > county/census/1860/pg0001a.txt > > Type in the same thing and insert the county and year of census and it > should take you to the Census for that county with people that are > enumerated with the head of household and their occupation. Good hunting. > doc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Tyler" <mommycita@cox.net> > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:30 AM > Subject: RE: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > > > >I wish it were that easy...on the 1870 census Andrew is listed in the > > household of John A. with no relationship listed and with Benjamin (who > > is blind) living next door. On Andrew's death certificate it lists > > father's name as Benjamin--no mother's name. John A. is age 70 at time > > of 1870 census--with no wife. Can you see why I am uncertain who the > > "real" father is? > > > > Anyone have any suggestions? > > > > Pam in sunny Arizona > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles Flanders [mailto:CFlanders@hot.rr.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:40 PM > > To: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > > > > > > Pam, since Andrew was born 9 Apr., 1861, wouldn't he listed in the 1870 > > Census of MS either in the household of John or Benjamin Johnston? The > > Census would indicate his relationship to the head of household. > > regards, > > doc > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pam Tyler" <mommycita@cox.net> > > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:27 AM > > Subject: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > > > > > >> Does anyone have the following individual in their database: > >> > >> Benjamin H. Johnston > >> b abt 1836 in Mississippi > >> md Sarah Butler (wife #1) 9 Dec 1858 > >> > >> > >> I'm trying to ascertain whether a child, Andrew J. Johnston b 9 Apr > >> 1861, was the child of Benjamin or of Benjamin's father, John A. > >> Johnston. > >> > >> I would really appreciate help on this. > >> > >> Happy Holidays! > >> > >> Pam in sunny Arizona > >> > >> > >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > >> Messages posted to the Johnston Message board at RootsWeb are no > >> longer automatically sent to this list. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > > Looking for information on your Johnstons? > > Post a message to this list by sending it to: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > > Use a specific subject line for best results. Include full name, spouse > > (if known), dates, and LOCATION. > > > > > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check alternative spellings like Johnson and Johnstone. ---jjg6808@earthlink.net--- ---Genealogists--We Confuse the Dead and Irritate the Living!---

I agree - my Father's death certificate had 17 mistkaes on it - provided by my brother, who had not checked anything. I had to make stat dec's, provide certificates and ARGUE to get the registrar to change it - then they just made notes over the original one. I had to ask if he was interested in keeping accurate records for the future, as they were not going to do anything at first. It was worth the argument to get it right. Gillian Pac> Bev, Pac> For those who believe birth certificates are more reliable than death Pac> certificates, go to an adoption search site...you'll see how birth records can, and Pac> are, manipulated to "protect" people. It's amazing what people will go Pac> through, and what lies get put on birth certificates, to "cover up" an adoption! Pac> Even "original" birth certificates (as opposed to the "amended" ones issued Pac> after an adoption is finalized) are often full of misinformation. Pac> I've really enjoyed this latest discussion about the reliability and Pac> authenticity of records; it's a real eye-opener!

----- Original Message ----- From: "jjg6808" <jjg6808@earthlink.net> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > Hi All, > I must differ on the view that the death certificate is always more > reliable. Sometimes the facts are transcribed into the state files > incorrectly and you get bad data when you send for these records. > My grandmother, who died in 1949 in a very small town in LA, is listed as > "Negro" on the death certificate. She was Caucasian and that would have > been readily apparent and well known to everybody in the community. > So I guess in some cases, it's still "garbage in, garbage out". > J J Death certificates are notoriously wrong! The information regarding the date and cause of death, filled in by the doctor, is the only primary information. Grieving relatives often give incorrect information out of ignorance, confusion, speculation, and just wanting to get it over and done. Parents' names on death certificates are only *clues* until proven otherwise. The location of the deceased's birth is very often either wrong or too general to be useful. I would never base any conclusion about parentage on a death certificate. Regards, Sharyn

Hello, Thought I would take time out from the Christmas doings to answer your letter. I didn't know Elijah Pugh and Andrew Pickens did come down together. Did I already tell you that Andrew Pickens was my Sloan ancestor's next door neighbor? He was also next door to Maj. Samuel Taylor who was also my ancestor. These are my father's people. Unfortunately I can't say that Gen'l.Pickens was. I think, though, that the Taylors and the Pickens were associated from PA on down to Pickens Co., SC, on the Seneca River. Pickens first served in SC, around the middle of the State, but still first lived on the Savannah River (which the Seneca R. connects in to.) His grant was in or around Abbeville Co. Then, of course from there on up, it was just Ninety-Six District and was huge and basically unsettled. When they all moved to the Seneca River (now Clemson U.) they had to fight Cherokees, winning much land and finally chasing the Indians back over the Hills into TN. Pickens commanding, I believe. Unfortunately the name of Taylor is much more common, even in the earliest times, than Sloan or Pickens. Samuel was born in 1740, I think I remember, in PA, they say. He served with what was then the British Army against the Indians. Later, he was made a Capt. just after the Battle of Cowpens, then a Major. All of this time, he was under Pickens command. Samuel named his first son, John Taylor. May be kin to you. Now for the Pugh family: I don't know whether we have already been thru this, but on my Mama's side of the family, the Pughs were evidently friends or associates. Possibly kin. Theophilus Pugh (Elijah's son?) witnessed my James Johnston, Jr., Esq.' will. His first wife may have even been Mary Pugh (maiden name.) When he married here, though, she was a widow named Mrs. Mary Garner. All 3 of these names were found in Isle of Wight Co., VA. I will check for you on any Taylors in the book. Think Guilford Co. might fit into these same people who finally went to Burke Co., GA. So, up until now, I was not aware as my teacher said, that this was one group of families, thought they didn't even know each other. Although I am almost sure Benj. H. got his name from Benj. Hawkins, who signed a treaty with the Cherokees in Samuel Taylor's yard (now Clemson U.) Andrew Pickens was the first signer. The Indians camped overnight on Taylor's yard. Why? Well possibly it was because he was next door to Pickens and had on hand (in his estate inventory) 153 gallons of whiskey! Must stop this lengthy message, but see what you think. Beverly S. Shuler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Flanders" <CFlanders@hot.rr.com> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > Thanks Beverly, it helps a lot. John Smith, my grandfather (R.S.) had a son > named John Taylor Smith. They migrated from Guilford County, NC with Andrew > Pickens, Elijah Pugh, and several other families. I never have been able to > get a handle on the Taylor family. Know anything about that group? By the > way, thanks for defending my answer to Pam Johnston. I was just trying to > help as you have many times. Best regards to you and your husband. doc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beverly Shuler" <bshuler@comcast.net> > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:55 PM > Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > > > > Hi Charles, > > Beverly Shuler here. Just had a thought: Do you guess your Benjamin H. > > Johnston was named for that great leader of Georgia, Benjamin Hawkins? > > Benj. lived in Pulaski Co., if I'm not mistaken. He came across the river > > to > > SC several times to help Andrew Pickens fight the Cherokees. Both were in > > the Battle of Augusta in Rev. War. I have more on him. He was a friend > > of > > my ancestor, Maj. Samuel Taylor and Sam witnessed several treaties Ben and > > Andrew signed with the Cherokee Chiefs at the Pickens home. (The river > > runs > > between GA and SC, and passes thru Clemson, my birthplace and where I grew > > up. > > Hope this will help some. > > Beverly Shuler > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charles Flanders" <CFlanders@hot.rr.com> > > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > > > > > >> Pam, since Andrew was born 9 Apr., 1861, wouldn't he listed in the 1870 > >> Census of MS either in the household of John or Benjamin Johnston? The > >> Census would indicate his relationship to the head of household. > >> regards, > >> doc > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Pam Tyler" <mommycita@cox.net> > >> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:27 AM > >> Subject: [JOHNSTON] Benjamin H. Johnston > >> > >> > >> > Does anyone have the following individual in their database: > >> > > >> > Benjamin H. Johnston > >> > b abt 1836 in Mississippi > >> > md Sarah Butler (wife #1) 9 Dec 1858 > >> > > >> > > >> > I'm trying to ascertain whether a child, Andrew J. Johnston b 9 Apr > >> > 1861, was the child of Benjamin or of Benjamin's father, John A. > >> > Johnston. > >> > > >> > I would really appreciate help on this. > >> > > >> > Happy Holidays! > >> > > >> > Pam in sunny Arizona > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > >> > Messages posted to the Johnston Message board at RootsWeb are > >> > no longer automatically sent to this list. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > >> Looking for information on your Johnstons? > >> Post a message to this list by sending it to: > >> JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com > >> > > > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to check alternative spellings like Johnson and Johnstone. > > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > A note re AOL blocking Rootsweb List Mail: > AOL users should not to ever delete mail FROM the spam folder that comes to them through RootsWeb. Before deleting RW mail, or closing the SPAM folder, move the RW message to the inbox first by clicking THIS IS NOT SPAM and then delete it. Otherwise it gets reported to AOL as being spam and RootsWeb is blamed. To read more and join the discussion, AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html >

Hi, Does anyone have a John Johnston who was born 11/21/1810 and married a Susannah Southern from North Carolina. They were married in Giles County, VA in 1831. Also does anyone have access to the 1830, 1840 census of Giles County and Tazewell County, VA? Thanks very much Pauline Johnston Port Orange, FL

Forwarded by Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: WWFGeneal@aol.com To: Johnston-L-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: My Johnston Connections My Great Great Grandfather: Robert JOHNSTON b. June 22, 1814 d. Sept. 10, 1872 married: Isabella Eizabeth LONGWELL b.Sept.1, 1823 d. Nov. 8, 1921 1901 Children (13): John, Elizabeth, James, Samuel, Robert, Teressa, Orlanda, William, Mary, Hugh, George, Sarah, Etta My Great Grandmother: Mary Frances JOHNSTON b. Sept. 27, 1858 d. Nov. 8, 1921 married: Ithama RISHER b. Jan. 2, 1853 d. Jan. 12, 1920 Children (9) Forrest, Mary, Lottie, William, Clare, Rita, James, Thomas, Dorothy My Grandmother: Lottie Estella RISHER b. May 19, 1883 d. May 20, 1974 married: James Caldwell FERGUSON b. April 5, 1886 d. Jan. 22, 1964 The JOHNSTONs and the RISHERs were from Clarion County, Pensylvania. Can anyone fill in the blanks before Robert JOHNSTON, and are there any descendents of this line of JOHNSTONs today? Thanks, Wayne FERGUSON