Ingrid, Just read your email and wonder if I could ask if any of the following names appear in your "TREE". William and Mary Johnston (nee Gilmore) children Charles Alexander ( born Coatsbridge 1855) Mary This is all I know about them, Charles came out to Aus in 1876 and became my Grandfather. Worth asking about merry Christmas Desley

Whilst reading a recent thread regarding Church records it reminded me [With on-going permission of our List Administrator] to let any Aussie’s or Kiwi’s know that there is a recently set-up “niche” Johnno Group for those in this area of the world currently with about 43 interested people, please feel free to call by, and by the way I know the Group would like to extend our collective best wishes for Christmas & 2005 to Johnno’s everywhere in the Globe !! Best Wishes Don Johnston Co-Moderator: HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JohnstonAustralia"http://groups.yahoo.com/gro up/JohnstonAustralia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release Date: 17/12/2004

sorry guys - didn't mean to send more than once, my dumb browser kept telling me it hadn't sent, but obviously it had!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "ingrid lamberts" <inged@optusnet.com.au> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:40 PM Subject: [JOHNSTON] Scottish Records > Hi All - finally glad to have something to contribute, though enjoy > following other people's stories even if not related to mine. > > Scottish records online are actually really good - the key site is > http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php - it's a pay-per-view site but > well worth it. It covers both Old Parish Records (OPRs) and later civil > records between 1553 and (deaths) up to 1953. I use it in conjunction with > the LDS IGI - the trick with the Mormon records is to realise that there > are two types of records on there, 'official' and 'speculative'. That is > to say you will get some with a message along the lines of 'extracted from > birth record' such and such, they are direct transcripts and as such as > reliable as any other source which you don't actually see yourself. The > others are family records or pedigree records which have been submitted by > members of the Church or other interested parties and may or may not be > accurate, but can provide many good leads. There isn't any > cross-referencing which can make things a little tedious when you get many > results for one seemingly specific search and realise ! > they are all about the same person, just that a number of people have made > contributions about them. If you're confronted with a large number of > 'hits', as a general rule, the 'official' entries will have names in all > caps, while many 'manual' entries will be in uppers and lowers - but as I > say, this is a general guide only. > > I'm another Australian (Canberra), but my Johnston link was a 4th > great-grandmother who lived and died in Scotland (she married a Kirkwood, > but it wasn't until they became Gillespie and then Griffin that they came > to Australia). > > Let me know if I can help any more - as I say, it's nice to finally have > something I know a little about!!! > Best of luck > Ingrid > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > A note re AOL blocking Rootsweb List Mail: > AOL users should not to ever delete mail FROM the spam folder that comes > to them through RootsWeb. Before deleting RW mail, or closing the SPAM > folder, move the RW message to the inbox first by clicking THIS IS NOT > SPAM and then delete it. Otherwise it gets reported to AOL as being spam > and RootsWeb is blamed. To read more and join the discussion, AOL users > are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html > >

----- Original Message ----- From: ingrid lamberts To: JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: Scottish Records Hi All - finally glad to have something to contribute, though enjoy following other people's stories even if not related to mine. Scottish records online are actually really good - the key site is http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php - it's a pay-per-view site but well worth it. It covers both Old Parish Records (OPRs) and later civil records between 1553 and (deaths) up to 1953. I use it in conjunction with the LDS IGI - the trick with the Mormon records is to realise that there are two types of records on there, 'official' and 'speculative'. That is to say you will get some with a message along the lines of 'extracted from birth record' such and such, they are direct transcripts and as such as reliable as any other source which you don't actually see yourself. The others are family records or pedigree records which have been submitted by members of the Church or other interested parties and may or may not be accurate, but can provide many good leads. There isn't any cross-referencing which can make things a little tedious when you get many results for one seemingly specific search and realise ! they are all about the same person, just that a number of people have made contributions about them. If you're confronted with a large number of 'hits', as a general rule, the 'official' entries will have names in all caps, while many 'manual' entries will be in uppers and lowers - but as I say, this is a general guide only. I'm another Australian (Canberra), but my Johnston link was a 4th great-grandmother who lived and died in Scotland (she married a Kirkwood, but it wasn't until they became Gillespie and then Griffin that they came to Australia). Let me know if I can help any more - as I say, it's nice to finally have something I know a little about!!! Best of luck Ingrid

Hi All - finally glad to have something to contribute, though enjoy following other people's stories even if not related to mine. Scottish records online are actually really good - the key site is http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php - it's a pay-per-view site but well worth it. It covers both Old Parish Records (OPRs) and later civil records between 1553 and (deaths) up to 1953. I use it in conjunction with the LDS IGI - the trick with the Mormon records is to realise that there are two types of records on there, 'official' and 'speculative'. That is to say you will get some with a message along the lines of 'extracted from birth record' such and such, they are direct transcripts and as such as reliable as any other source which you don't actually see yourself. The others are family records or pedigree records which have been submitted by members of the Church or other interested parties and may or may not be accurate, but can provide many good leads. There isn't any cross-referencing which can make things a little tedious when you get many results for one seemingly specific search and realise ! they are all about the same person, just that a number of people have made contributions about them. If you're confronted with a large number of 'hits', as a general rule, the 'official' entries will have names in all caps, while many 'manual' entries will be in uppers and lowers - but as I say, this is a general guide only. I'm another Australian (Canberra), but my Johnston link was a 4th great-grandmother who lived and died in Scotland (she married a Kirkwood, but it wasn't until they became Gillespie and then Griffin that they came to Australia). Let me know if I can help any more - as I say, it's nice to finally have something I know a little about!!! Best of luck Ingrid

Hi All - finally glad to have something to contribute, though enjoy following other people's stories even if not related to mine. Scottish records online are actually really good - the key site is http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php - it's a pay-per-view site but well worth it. It covers both Old Parish Records (OPRs) and later civil records between 1553 and (deaths) up to 1953. I use it in conjunction with the LDS IGI - the trick with the Mormon records is to realise that there are two types of records on there, 'official' and 'speculative'. That is to say you will get some with a message along the lines of 'extracted from birth record' such and such, they are direct transcripts and as such as reliable as any other source which you don't actually see yourself. The others are family records or pedigree records which have been submitted by members of the Church or other interested parties and may or may not be accurate, but can provide many good leads. There isn't any cross-referencing which can make things a little tedious when you get many results for one seemingly specific search and realise ! they are all about the same person, just that a number of people have made contributions about them. If you're confronted with a large number of 'hits', as a general rule, the 'official' entries will have names in all caps, while many 'manual' entries will be in uppers and lowers - but as I say, this is a general guide only. I'm another Australian (Canberra), but my Johnston link was a 4th great-grandmother who lived and died in Scotland (she married a Kirkwood, but it wasn't until they became Gillespie and then Griffin that they came to Australia). Let me know if I can help any more - as I say, it's nice to finally have something I know a little about!!! Best of luck Ingrid

One must also keep in mind when searching the LDS records on line, they are NOT complete. Even thought the records have been transcribed, they do not necessarily show up on line. However, they are there if you are searching at your local centre fiche collection. I have no idea of why, but that's the way it is! An example, in one of my search parishes in Scotland, all of the female McInnes names are on-line in births/christenings, but no male names. If you viewed the fiche at the FHC, both are there. Joy/MO USA ingrid lamberts wrote: >Hi All - finally glad to have something to contribute, though enjoy following other people's stories even if not related to mine. > >Scottish records online are actually really good - the key site is http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php - it's a pay-per-view site but well worth it. It covers both Old Parish Records (OPRs) and later civil records between 1553 and (deaths) up to 1953. I use it in conjunction with the LDS IGI - the trick with the Mormon records is to realise that there are two types of records on there, 'official' and 'speculative'. That is to say you will get some with a message along the lines of 'extracted from birth record' such and such, they are direct transcripts and as such as reliable as any other source which you don't actually see yourself. The others are family records or pedigree records which have been submitted by members of the Church or other interested parties and may or may not be accurate, but can provide many good leads. There isn't any cross-referencing which can make things a little tedious when you get many results for one seemingly specific search and realise! ! >they are all about the same person, just that a number of people have made contributions about them. If you're confronted with a large number of 'hits', as a general rule, the 'official' entries will have names in all caps, while many 'manual' entries will be in uppers and lowers - but as I say, this is a general guide only. > >I'm another Australian (Canberra), but my Johnston link was a 4th great-grandmother who lived and died in Scotland (she married a Kirkwood, but it wasn't until they became Gillespie and then Griffin that they came to Australia). > >Let me know if I can help any more - as I say, it's nice to finally have something I know a little about!!! >Best of luck >Ingrid > > >==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >A note re AOL blocking Rootsweb List Mail: >AOL users should not to ever delete mail FROM the spam folder that comes to them through RootsWeb. Before deleting RW mail, or closing the SPAM folder, move the RW message to the inbox first by clicking THIS IS NOT SPAM and then delete it. Otherwise it gets reported to AOL as being spam and RootsWeb is blamed. To read more and join the discussion, AOL users are advised to join the AOLers-Rootsweb list: >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html > > > >

Do your Au J's include those who came under other names? Such as one of Johnston branches who married a McInnes? They didn't immigrate until about 1915 or so. Just curious, Joy in MO USA Don Johnston wrote: >Whilst reading a recent thread regarding Church records it reminded me [With >on-going permission of our List Administrator] to let any Aussie’s or Kiwi’s >know that there is a recently set-up “niche” Johnno Group for those in this >area of the world currently with about 43 interested people, please feel >free to call by, and by the way I know the Group would like to extend our >collective best wishes for Christmas & 2005 to Johnno’s everywhere in the >Globe !! > > > >Best Wishes > >Don Johnston > >Co-Moderator: HYPERLINK >"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JohnstonAustralia"http://groups.yahoo.com/gro >up/JohnstonAustralia > > > > > >

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Bob, this is pure ignorance on my part, but when we were hearing about English Records, we were told to be sure to look at the Manorial Records (Records of the Manors.) I don't know whether this even applies to Scotland, but perhaps someone else does?? I hope you people in Australia are in contact with Des Johnston (think he lives near Sydney.) He is or was the Genealogist for the Clan Johnston over there. Be sure to contact him. Beverly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Johnston" <robert.johnston.wg74@wharton.upenn.edu> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 8:04 PM Subject: [JOHNSTON] Scottish Records > I am just getting into the tracing of my ancestors, so please accept this as > what it is, which is to say something less than the advice of a real expert. > > The first census of the entire UK was completed in 1851, or so I am told. > The registration of birth records with the civil authorities (as opposed to > the churches) began in Scotland perhaps ten years earlier. > > Prior to this you are dependent on church (Kirk) records, which can be very > good indeed but are not available online and have not been indexed into the > LDS (Mormon) online archive. I believe that they are available on microfiche > through the Mormon Family History Centers. Like all work in this field, > there can be surprises. Most lowland scots were Presbyterian, but there were > a smattering of (much smaller) Protestant denominations like the Baptists. > Births, deaths and marriages were recorded with the Pastor of your > congragation. If your ancestor was a Baptist, looking in the Presbyterian > Kirk records would be a non-starter. Another complication is that there were > changes in the Kirk boundaries over time and people moved. In my clan of > Johnstons, Andrew was born in Aberdeen while Robert, Sarah and Christina > were born in Galashiels. All four made it into the civil birth registry. I > was told flatly by my Grandmother that her father-in-law, Robert William > Johnston, was a Presbyterian, so when I attack the Kirk records that is > where I am going to start - that is to say, the Presbyterian Kirk records > for Galashiels and Aberdeen. > > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Please send messages you would like to post to the JOHNSTON mailing list to: > JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com >

I am just getting into the tracing of my ancestors, so please accept this as what it is, which is to say something less than the advice of a real expert. The first census of the entire UK was completed in 1851, or so I am told. The registration of birth records with the civil authorities (as opposed to the churches) began in Scotland perhaps ten years earlier. Prior to this you are dependent on church (Kirk) records, which can be very good indeed but are not available online and have not been indexed into the LDS (Mormon) online archive. I believe that they are available on microfiche through the Mormon Family History Centers. Like all work in this field, there can be surprises. Most lowland scots were Presbyterian, but there were a smattering of (much smaller) Protestant denominations like the Baptists. Births, deaths and marriages were recorded with the Pastor of your congragation. If your ancestor was a Baptist, looking in the Presbyterian Kirk records would be a non-starter. Another complication is that there were changes in the Kirk boundaries over time and people moved. In my clan of Johnstons, Andrew was born in Aberdeen while Robert, Sarah and Christina were born in Galashiels. All four made it into the civil birth registry. I was told flatly by my Grandmother that her father-in-law, Robert William Johnston, was a Presbyterian, so when I attack the Kirk records that is where I am going to start - that is to say, the Presbyterian Kirk records for Galashiels and Aberdeen.

Greetings I have just discovered the existence of this list - wish I had picked it up years ago My GGGF was William Johnston who arrived in Fremantle on the Norwood in 1867 with his wife Jane I have had great difficulty over the last five years or so attempting to find out more on William According to the Norwood records William was from the 74th Regiment According to his discharge certificate he was in the 2nd Dragoons Does anyone know if there are any records in UK which detail who was granted status as a pensioner guard etc - it would be good if there were similar records to that in our Battye Library where the full compliment of crew etc are listed Any suggestions about how to get to appropriate record systems would be very much appreciated Happy Christmas to you all Regards Ted Johnston 66 Second Avenue ROSSMOYNE WA 6148 AUSTRALIA Phone 061 8 9457 1594

Desley, I don't know much about tracing Johnstons in Scotland. There are many of them, I'm sure. As I remember, there were seven families who had homes, manors or estates: The Johnstons of Annandale, Elsieshields, Wamphray, and in the North, Caskieben, Kilmore, Poldean, and Galabank and Galashields. This is off the top of my head, so to speak. Beverly Shuler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Desley Lowth" <desleyl@mackay.net.au> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Greetings > Thanks Bev for your help, have written to the lady you mentioned, lets hope > for a miracle eh??? > > I have read of Des Johnstone he is a Judge I think in Sydney, I have a piece > I cut out of the paper a few years ago and it gave his address etc. It is > the Johnstons in Scotland I want to trace as I am sure only my Grandfather > came out to Aus. > Regards and thanks Desley. > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Looking for information on your Johnstons? > Post a message to this list by sending it to: > JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com >

Thanks Bev for your help, have written to the lady you mentioned, lets hope for a miracle eh??? I have read of Des Johnstone he is a Judge I think in Sydney, I have a piece I cut out of the paper a few years ago and it gave his address etc. It is the Johnstons in Scotland I want to trace as I am sure only my Grandfather came out to Aus. Regards and thanks Desley.

Interesting post, as my wife eventually found, through the internet, descendants of her G'Granduncle and G'Grandaunt who emigrated to Australia from Ireland. Two siblings went to the USA, two to Australia and one stayed put in Northern Ireland. Unfortunately, these were Harcourts and not Johnstons so they are irrelevant to Johnston-L. From the British Gov't birth records and census data, I am fairly convinced that the family of Robert Johnston and Christina Forsythe Johnston was composed of the two parents and four offspring, two boys and two girls, and all emigrated to America except for the patriarch himself. I presume that he died, which was possibly the catalyst the caused the family to pull up stakes and emigrate. One sister was apparently married in Scotland and emigrated with her husband.

URL correction http://www.scotsorigins.com/ norma wrote: > Hi, > You might find something on Scotsorigion.com > This is a free site. > Norma > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Johnston" > <robert.johnston.wg74@wharton.upenn.edu> > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:49 PM > Subject: [JOHNSTON] Greetings > > >> I just joined this list and it's getting late in the evening so I will >> have >> to postpone until a later date a full ancestor list. >> >> In short, I am the G'Grandson of Robert William Johnston, who >> emigrated from >> Galashiels, Scotland to Philadelphia, PA, USA ca. 1880. My group of >> Johnstons have not been very prolific and my three sons and I >> represent the >> only "known-for-sure" Johnstons from this line. I say "known-for-sure" >> since >> George W. Johnston, Jr., a first cousin of my father, came home from >> WWII in >> 1945 and elected to move "out west" (Chicago area?) and was never seen or >> heard from again by my Philadelphia-based clan. >> >> I have two interests: >> >> 1. Tracking down descendants of George W. Johnston, Jr. if any exist. >> >> 2. Determining how to trace Scottish birth/marriage/death records back >> beyond the UK census of 1851, which records my G'Grandfather's family >> living >> in Galashiels, Scotland. The entire family evidently emigrated to the >> US for >> reasons unknown. My G'Grandfather's only brother died without issue and >> there are probably some living descendants in one of the the two female >> lines from his sisters (there were female line descendants alive in >> Paterson >> NJ in 1951), the other sister's line having died out in the 1930's. >> >> >> >> >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to check alternative spellings like Johnson and Johnstone. >> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Johnston mailing list, send the word > "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the body of the message to > JOHNSTON-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > > -- ************************************* John Johnston bearqst@ak.net http://www.johnstons.cc http://www.johnstonclan.info *************************************

My gracious! Are you in Australia? I am not Bob, but decided to answer anyway. When I was archivist for Clan Johnston in America, I sort of halfway remember a family like this.I have sent all of the Gnealogy of the Clan to a woman named Barbara Hockman in Kansas. I doubt, however, that she will be able to find this for you, but it is worth a try. I have just been watching a TV movie which taught that all kinds of miracles can happen at Christmas time. E-Mail her at : bhockman@everestkc.net She may be more efficient than I was. Do you happen to know Des Johnstone? He is head of Clan J. in Australia. Good luck, Beverly Shuler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Desley Lowth" <desleyl@mackay.net.au> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Greetings > Bob, Am interested in your letter as I have been trying to trace my Dad's > Family for quite awhile. I was told that a member of our Johnston Family > went to America but do not know when and I do not know what relationship > they had to my GGrandfather. However my names of interest are; > > Parents William Johnston and Mary Gilmore , nothing else know > children Mary nothing else known > Charles Alexander Johnston, he was my grandfather and > came out to Australia in 1876. He was born in Coatbridge in 1855 according > to his death cer. > > Worth asking the question, any names in your research??? > > regards Desley > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Use a specific subject line for best results. Include full name, spouse (if known), dates, and LOCATION. >

Bob, Am interested in your letter as I have been trying to trace my Dad's Family for quite awhile. I was told that a member of our Johnston Family went to America but do not know when and I do not know what relationship they had to my GGrandfather. However my names of interest are; Parents William Johnston and Mary Gilmore , nothing else know children Mary nothing else known Charles Alexander Johnston, he was my grandfather and came out to Australia in 1876. He was born in Coatbridge in 1855 according to his death cer. Worth asking the question, any names in your research??? regards Desley

Hi Charles, Please accept my apologies for overdoing this subject. You are the only person in this discussion who is doing the research properly and I appreciate it! Beverly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Flanders" <CFlanders@hot.rr.com> To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Death Certificates/ Birth Certificates > Hey folks! Enough is enough!! I was just trying to help someone and get > handed my head for doing so. Anyone that has been doing genealogy knows > that pst events change with each generation that passes. Therefore, we have > to rely on the written word which was done at the time of the event > depicted. OF COURSE THERE CAN BE ERRORS IN THE WRITTEN Word. Even those > things esconced in stone are privvy to error. We are, after all, only > humans. I check all of the written records available, Bible records > included, family letters from the period, but most of all I try to get the > official records of the event, i.e. marriage, death, birth when > available,obituaries, newspaper articles, will and probate records, adoption > records, military records, pension records, work records, newspaper > articles, etc., etc. I hope this ends the subject. Mea Culpa, I can and > have and will be wrong, but I believe what i believe due to research I have > had to do to get advanced degrees. Anyone that disagrees and feels that > they must show me up go right ahead. You will get no further comments from > me on the subject. doc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beverly Shuler" <bshuler@comcast.net> > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Death Certificates/ Birth Certificates > > > > It's a finew thing to know about if your family gives problems. I would > > say > > that, if a fact about a person'e life sounds impossible, it probably is! > > My Birth notice in the paper had me named Veverly! > > Beverly > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Pepsilau@aol.com> > > To: <JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [JOHNSTON] Death Certificates/ Birth Certificates > > > > > >> Bev, > >> > >> For those who believe birth certificates are more reliable than death > >> certificates, go to an adoption search site...you'll see how birth > >> records > > can, and > >> are, manipulated to "protect" people. It's amazing what people will go > >> through, and what lies get put on birth certificates, to "cover up" an > > adoption! > >> Even "original" birth certificates (as opposed to the "amended" ones > > issued > >> after an adoption is finalized) are often full of misinformation. > >> > >> I've really enjoyed this latest discussion about the reliability and > >> authenticity of records; it's a real eye-opener! > >> > >> Karen > >> > >> > >> ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > >> Don't forget to check alternative spellings like Johnson and Johnstone. > >> > > > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > > Please send messages you would like to post to the JOHNSTON mailing list > > to: > > JOHNSTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== JOHNSTON Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to check alternative spellings like Johnson and Johnstone. >