Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [JOHNSON] Johnson family of Cumberland Va Everyone, I'm going to cut to the chase here .... Mary is absolutely correct -- this is the source for Michael's parents being Edward & Elizabeth (Walker), Dr. Arthur JohnsTon & Barbara Gordon .... on back to Stephen or Matilda (or both! I can't remember now which.) I have a copy of a beautiful chart that takes the several lines of Edward et al back to all the European Royalty and then some. Before you ask, it's four or five pages "sideways" long (too big to scan) and besides, I'm not sure where it is. The info on Edward and Dr Arthur Johnson most likely came from the book "The Ancestry of William and John Johnston Colonial Firends (Quakers) of Virginia An Account fo the Connections fo the Family of Johnston of Caskieben, And Of That Ilk, Of the Garioch, Aberdeenshire, Scotland" by Lorand V. Johnson M.D. When I began researching Christopher Clark / Penelope Johnson (or Massie or Bolling -- BUT I think she really was a Johnson), I was loaned a copy of this book. It's nothing more than a "scrapbook" put together of pages he carefully cut out of published works. I'm convinced some, if not most, are legitimate, but he carefully removed most page numbers, almost all titles / chapter headings at the top of the pages, and much to my frustration -- ALL footnotes to the text. There's no way one can go back and search for the individual books. He also offers no support for connecting the generations -- no real problem there -- it's Edward as son of Dr. Arthur (proven wrong) and Elizabeth as a Walker where I'm stuck. The Quaker letter Mary mentioned is supposedly located in a very obscure book -- congratulations Mary on locating a copy of it! It took several of us years to locate one. I'm aware three others have also looked for the letter within the book located at the Library of Congress: a professional researcher, a retired librarian and an archivist at the LC. The letter Dr. Lorand quotes as proof Edward in New Kent Co was an unknown son of Dr. Arthur JohnsTon of Scotland is truly not there. Need I mention that Dr. Arthur was supposedly a royal physician and also a Poet Laureate for England and also transcribed some poem from Latin to English? I have a saying: If a person is someone everyone would like to see on their tree, he probably isn't mine. So far it's working perfectly for me. I'm not yet ready to get off my soap box: We've discovered by comparing microfilmed copies of the original Quaker records that Dr. Lorand "doctored" some of the JOHNSON entries published in Hinshaw's massive work on the Quaker records. Dr. Lorand's reputation as a Johnson researcher "this side of the ocean" might be deserved. I personally haven't followed behind him except for Edward's family -- which I thought was Daniels when I began my research. [But that's another story -- and DNA hasn't proved it false yet! There's no known male descendant from Edward. The only documented son had only a "documented" daughter.] Sorry I digress easily .. The scenario we've put together from letters, Hinshaw apparently asked Lorand for help in sorting between all the Quaker JOHNSON families. When they were completed, transcribers sent their work to Lorand who placed them into family groups and Hinshaw then published as Lorand said. We suspect Lorand is the one who changed the name of the wife of Quaker John Johnson of New Kent / Hanover Co. from "Elizabeth" to "Lucretia." Someone changed it from Elizabeth (I'm told it's very clearly written in the original Quaker records as Elizabeth several times) and no one else had a reason -- "Lucretia" better fits into his story. I forget the details. Thus, since we are all JOHNSON researchers, I add Hinshaw to the list of things one needs to double check before assuming the transcription is correct. My assumption is, Dr. Lorand was only interested in Johnson, and then probably only in the one family. But that "family" includes Michael, Edward and the various Quakers. That takes in about half the Virginia bunch, doesn't it? DNA and good old-fashioned research in actual records is the best way / only way of sorting these guys. Now I'll retreat back into looking at Jacksons of Henrico Co. I'm not sure which surname is worse? But Tony I will say Thanks to you and whoever contributed it, the discussion of the WARD family in the Elizabeth City doc. was a great help today! Happy holidays everyone. Linda Linda Sparks Starr lsstarr@pilgrimage.us http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr<http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr>