Randy, If you're still reading the messages, I could use some help on this one. >smile< Malinda, first of all we have a lot of UNANSWERED questions and we really don't know too much about Andrew Job, Sr. and what he was doing all these years. Sure wish we did! We do know that Andrew Job, Jr. was a very educated man - but exactly when and where he went to school - we just don't know for sure. But due to him being a Quaker, we are quite certain that it had to be somewehre in Great Britain. I know that some of the early researchers believed that Andrew Jr returned with the famous Quaker leader after he made his famous speeches and tour of the colonies - I believe it was Fox, but could be wrong here without looking it up. Though Bill used the dates of 1675-1690, I would venture to say that it was BEFORE 1682. Also, remember that Andrew Job Jr. didn't marry until he was 42 years old. The big thing is that BEFORE 1691, there is very little records available. What LITTLE information we have on Andrew Job, Sr. is mostly from the records of Gilbert Cope, who was the authority on the earliest Quakers in America. Since most of the written data that we have discovered starts in the 1691 time frame, when Andrew Job, Sr. was 71 plus and Andrew Job, Jr. was 41, it is easy to see that the Andrew Job is JUNIOR and not SENIOR. There just wasn't too many 70 - 80 year old men running around doing the things that Andrew Job, Jr was doing! (surveying, sheriff, member of assembly, tavern keeper, talking to Indians, etc). In fact, there just wasn't too many 70-80 year old people even living! So I have to imagine about this time when all the records were being written (1790 onward until Andrew Sr died) that he was being taken care of by some family members - possibly Andrew and Elizabeth or another child. At this time in history, the elderly usually lived with family members. I would imagine that Andrew Job, Sr. was a man of some prominence. WE just don't have the documentation to PROVE it at this time. We have found no records YET of any of the other sons going back to England to study - though this is possible. If you should find anything, please let us all know. >grin< As for your last question, I'll have to leave that to Randy or someone who has studied the Quakers in England - their flight and migration! AT this time, we do not know exactly when Andrew Job Sr. became a Quaker. I believe the Quaker Faith started in 1640's when Andrew Sr would have been in his early 20's. Andrew SR. probably served in the Kings army before he became a Quaker. Now as for other descendants of Andrew Job who have been known to go back to Great Britain, we have found one and this was rather recently. Check Scannings #46 and #47 on Freida's online Jobe Records site http://www.zing.com/album/?id=4293282419 This was Jacob Job (1773- sometime between 1825/1834) - s/o Daniel Job and Mary Brown and gs/o Thomas Vernon Job. It shows where he left Nottingham Monthly Meeting and went there due to ill health. This was in 1802 when he was in his late 20's - but we do know that he returned to Pennsylvania. Would be interesting to know where he went and if he visited anyone! Anyone find out - let us all know! Ann (Jobe) Brown From: "malinda" <[email protected]> > > I have a question for Ann though.....how can you tell whether everything > that is attributed to Andrew Jr in his early days was really him ? > > What was Andrew Sr doing ? Wasn't he creating any records ? Seems to me > that if he were able to send a son back to England to be educated, then he was > probably a gentleman of some prominence and education himself. Wouldn't he > be playing an active role in the community as well ? In looking at the Chronology > for Andrew Job Jr, I couldn't tell exactly when he was supposed to be back in > England studying, but the item appears under the 1675-90 timeframe and that > sounds a bit late for someone who was born in 1650. > > Also...do you know which school Andrew Jr was sent back to, and whether any > of the other sons were also sent to England to matriculate ? > > Just wondering....malinda > > Oooops.....another thing I wondered about as I studied the Andrew Job Jr > website below was the premise (not mentioned there, but I've seen it) that > Andrew Sr was from Fishguard Wales...clear on the other side of England > from Kent...but....very convenient to the port at Bristol as well as Landsend. > It would make no sense whatever to trek across the breadth of southern > England in order to catch a boat that was going to have to come right back > by your starting point...any ideas about that ? >