I see--the 'they were the grandparents' in the sentence refers to Daniel and Rose Defoe, as being the grandparents of the author Daniel Defoe. Charles Megredy would be a descendant of the 'first' Daniel and Rose Defoe, grandparents to Elizabeth Defoe who married Thomas Job--but not a direct descendant of her brother, the author Daniel Defoe. OK, think I've got it now--thanks! Patti >From Jobe Legacy.......... Think the person that wrote this kinda got >confused. But that is what is says. The line contradics itself. He is >descended and is grandparent to Daniel. Freida -HISTORY & FAMILES, MONTGOMERY Co.,, KANSAS 1869-1994 CHARLES LEMUEL MEGREDY "Born Dec. 5, 1846 about six miles south of Springfield, IL., Sangamon Co.,, died Dec. 28, 1889. First married to a Barnes and had a daughter Olive. Again married Dec. 24, 1868 to Virginia Weber, born Oct 29, 1848 near Springfield, IL., died Jan. 26, 1925 at Cherryvale. Charles was descended from Daniel Defoe and his wife Rose of Elton, Northhamptonshire, England, born about 1600. They were the grandparents of Daniel Defoe, the originator of the "Novel" viz. "Moll Flanders," famous as a prolific writer and best known for his "Robinson Crusoe." Daniel Defoe's sister, Elizabeth born in 1700 in London who was betrothed to a young man whom her mother forbid her to marry. Pouring over and having no money, she indentured herself in 1718 to a sea captain in return for her passage to the colony in Philadelphia, PA. The indenture was sold to Archibald Job, chief lieutenant to William Penn. After working out her indenture, she married Thomas Job, son of Archibald, in 1725. Their daughter, also Elizabeth, married John Megredy at Brick Courthouse, Cecil Co.,, MD, who was a merchant in nearby Port Deposit. In 1837 he relocated his family in Samgamon Co.,, Il., six miles south of Springfield. His son Enoch had a son James J. Megredy, who was elected to the House of Representatives, 26th Dist, in the Illinois Legislature, 20th General Assembly (1856- 1858), holding the seat previously held by Abraham Lincoln who was soon to become President of the U. S. Charles L. Megredy, the son of James J. Megredy and Ann R Hall, served in the 133rd Infantry, Co A. Illinois Volunteers, a Private mustered in for 100 days May 31, 1864, and mustered out Sept. 24, 1864. About 1873 Charles and Virginia settled in Belleville, Ks. About 1876 they left Belleville and bought a farn ner Cherryvale where they lived until Charles' untimely death when Virginia bought a house in Cherryvale. Their children Charles Edwin a locomotive engineer; Clarence who married Mabel Bessie Doop of Independence , a daughter Elsie lives in Halstead, Ks.; Frank who married Mary Ellen "May" Howard was a locomotive engineer and represented a tank car leasing company at the time of his death, their son was Millard Howard; Lewis who owned a barber shop in Cherryvale is survived by a daughter Thelma living in Denver, CO.; and a daughter Jessie, deceased. Noteworthy, Millard Howard the son of Frank and May Megredy qualified as a pilot at age 16, worked at Jensen Mfg. Co. as a Purchasing Agent and Pilot. He took leave of absence in 1939 to attend Dallas Aviation College where he obtained a commercial pilots license and flight rating. Howard was hired by W. G. "Bill" Jensen in 1940 to return to Coffeyville and build a plant and become General Manager of Funk Aircraft and serve as Test Pilot. Howard and Joe Funk, Bernard Wade and Carl Shuster were all brought from Akron, OH to participate. Howard Megredy taught over 100 people to fly in Coffeyville. 1942 found Howard instructing for the Coffeyville Airway Co.. as Assistant Chief Pilot in the War Training Service Program. Howard went on to become a civilian ATC pilot, Air Force Training Program Instructor in Pittsburgh, Ks, Chief Pilot for Trammell Crow Real Estate in Dallas. Howard was hired by the City of Dallas in 1955 and was Director of Aviation in charge of Love Field. Redbird and Navy Dallas when he retired in 1980. In 1973 Howard was singularly honored by the Air Line Pilots Association as the "Top Director" in the U. S., and for Love Field as the "Best Managed" airport in the U. S. Since 1980 he has been a consultant and realtor, engaged in acquiring property for South West Airlines. Howard's grandparents Charles and Virginia would be proud of his accomplishments. by Leland E. Megredy" Patti <rpwm82@fullnet.net> wrote: I'm confused reading this. Daniel Defoe wrote Robinson Crusoe in 1719, died in 1731--how can these people be his grandparents? Do you mean that one of these people were a descendant of his, instead? Patti Charles L. Megredy and his wife were the grandparents of Daniel Defoe, the originator of the "Novel" viz. "Moll Flanders," famous as a prolific writer and best known for his "Robinson Crusoe." The Morning Reporter - December 29, 1889 Independence, Kansas Charles McGrady, a leading farmer, of Drum Creek Township, residing about six miles east of town, died yesterday morning at nine o'clock of abscess of the liver and inflammation of the bowels. His death hastened, if not largely due to a fall from a wagon he received on Monday. Mr. McGrady leaves a wife and six children one a married daughter Mrs. Davis, resides on Dr. McCalley's farm on Onion Creek. She did not know of her fathers illness and death until she came to town yesterday. South Kansas Tribune - January 1, 1890 Independence, Kansas The sudden death of Charles L. Megready, of Drum Creek town ship, which occurred on Saturday last, at the age of 45 years and 23 days, is another of the oft repeated illustrations that "in the midst of life we are in death." On Saturday afternoon previous he, in company with his friend Alex Hurd, were the latest callers in the TRIBUNE office, and Mr. Megready was in usual health and spirits. On Monday he was hauling corn and in making a turn with the wagon he was thrown or fell from the load, but alighted on his feet, but was jarred and wrenched so as to be internally injured. He went to the house, and when he failed to get relief from pain physicians were called, but his injuries were beyond the relief of human skill, and early on Saturday he breathed his last. He was born in Sanagmon county, Ills., and in 1864 volunteered on the 9th day of May in Co. A, in the 133d Illinois regiment, and served until the fall of that year. In 1880 he settled in Drum Creek township, where he has make a good farm. He leaves a wife and six children, and a host of friends. The funeral, on Sunday was in charge of Rev. VanCleve, of Liberty, and the remains were interred in Harmony cemetery. Jobe Legacy http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ajobebrown&id=I027645 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ==== JOB Mailing List ==== Please visit our surname web site: Job, Jobe, Jobes, Jobes - Links to Great Information: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown/jobe.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== JOB Mailing List ==== Search or Browse Job Archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JOB http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/JOB/ ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ==== JOB Mailing List ==== Some of my favorite resources for the Job(e) surname: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown/jobe4.html ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

From Jobe Legacy.......... Think the person that wrote this kinda got confused. But that is what is says. The line contradics itself. He is descended and is grandparent to Daniel. Freida -HISTORY & FAMILES, MONTGOMERY Co.,, KANSAS 1869-1994 CHARLES LEMUEL MEGREDY "Born Dec. 5, 1846 about six miles south of Springfield, IL., Sangamon Co.,, died Dec. 28, 1889. First married to a Barnes and had a daughter Olive. Again married Dec. 24, 1868 to Virginia Weber, born Oct 29, 1848 near Springfield, IL., died Jan. 26, 1925 at Cherryvale. Charles was descended from Daniel Defoe and his wife Rose of Elton, Northhamptonshire, England, born about 1600. They were the grandparents of Daniel Defoe, the originator of the "Novel" viz. "Moll Flanders," famous as a prolific writer and best known for his "Robinson Crusoe." Daniel Defoe’s sister, Elizabeth born in 1700 in London who was betrothed to a young man whom her mother forbid her to marry. Pouring over and having no money, she indentured herself in 1718 to a sea captain in return for her passage to the colony in Philadelphia, PA. The indenture was sold to Archibald Job, chief lieutenant to William Penn. After working out her indenture, she married Thomas Job, son of Archibald, in 1725. Their daughter, also Elizabeth, married John Megredy at Brick Courthouse, Cecil Co.,, MD, who was a merchant in nearby Port Deposit. In 1837 he relocated his family in Samgamon Co.,, Il., six miles south of Springfield. His son Enoch had a son James J. Megredy, who was elected to the House of Representatives, 26th Dist, in the Illinois Legislature, 20th General Assembly (1856- 1858), holding the seat previously held by Abraham Lincoln who was soon to become President of the U. S. Charles L. Megredy, the son of James J. Megredy and Ann R Hall, served in the 133rd Infantry, Co A. Illinois Volunteers, a Private mustered in for 100 days May 31, 1864, and mustered out Sept. 24, 1864. About 1873 Charles and Virginia settled in Belleville, Ks. About 1876 they left Belleville and bought a farn ner Cherryvale where they lived until Charles’ untimely death when Virginia bought a house in Cherryvale. Their children Charles Edwin a locomotive engineer; Clarence who married Mabel Bessie Doop of Independence , a daughter Elsie lives in Halstead, Ks.; Frank who married Mary Ellen "May" Howard was a locomotive engineer and represented a tank car leasing company at the time of his death, their son was Millard Howard; Lewis who owned a barber shop in Cherryvale is survived by a daughter Thelma living in Denver, CO.; and a daughter Jessie, deceased. Noteworthy, Millard Howard the son of Frank and May Megredy qualified as a pilot at age 16, worked at Jensen Mfg. Co. as a Purchasing Agent and Pilot. He took leave of absence in 1939 to attend Dallas Aviation College where he obtained a commercial pilots license and flight rating. Howard was hired by W. G. "Bill" Jensen in 1940 to return to Coffeyville and build a plant and become General Manager of Funk Aircraft and serve as Test Pilot. Howard and Joe Funk, Bernard Wade and Carl Shuster were all brought from Akron, OH to participate. Howard Megredy taught over 100 people to fly in Coffeyville. 1942 found Howard instructing for the Coffeyville Airway Co.. as Assistant Chief Pilot in the War Training Service Program. Howard went on to become a civilian ATC pilot, Air Force Training Program Instructor in Pittsburgh, Ks, Chief Pilot for Trammell Crow Real Estate in Dallas. Howard was hired by the City of Dallas in 1955 and was Director of Aviation in charge of Love Field. Redbird and Navy Dallas when he retired in 1980. In 1973 Howard was singularly honored by the Air Line Pilots Association as the "Top Director" in the U. S., and for Love Field as the "Best Managed" airport in the U. S. Since 1980 he has been a consultant and realtor, engaged in acquiring property for South West Airlines. Howard’s grandparents Charles and Virginia would be proud of his accomplishments. by Leland E. Megredy" Patti <rpwm82@fullnet.net> wrote: I'm confused reading this. Daniel Defoe wrote Robinson Crusoe in 1719, died in 1731--how can these people be his grandparents? Do you mean that one of these people were a descendant of his, instead? Patti Charles L. Megredy and his wife were the grandparents of Daniel Defoe, the originator of the "Novel" viz. "Moll Flanders," famous as a prolific writer and best known for his "Robinson Crusoe." The Morning Reporter - December 29, 1889 Independence, Kansas Charles McGrady, a leading farmer, of Drum Creek Township, residing about six miles east of town, died yesterday morning at nine o'clock of abscess of the liver and inflammation of the bowels. His death hastened, if not largely due to a fall from a wagon he received on Monday. Mr. McGrady leaves a wife and six children one a married daughter Mrs. Davis, resides on Dr. McCalley's farm on Onion Creek. She did not know of her fathers illness and death until she came to town yesterday. South Kansas Tribune - January 1, 1890 Independence, Kansas The sudden death of Charles L. Megready, of Drum Creek town ship, which occurred on Saturday last, at the age of 45 years and 23 days, is another of the oft repeated illustrations that "in the midst of life we are in death." On Saturday afternoon previous he, in company with his friend Alex Hurd, were the latest callers in the TRIBUNE office, and Mr. Megready was in usual health and spirits. On Monday he was hauling corn and in making a turn with the wagon he was thrown or fell from the load, but alighted on his feet, but was jarred and wrenched so as to be internally injured. He went to the house, and when he failed to get relief from pain physicians were called, but his injuries were beyond the relief of human skill, and early on Saturday he breathed his last. He was born in Sanagmon county, Ills., and in 1864 volunteered on the 9th day of May in Co. A, in the 133d Illinois regiment, and served until the fall of that year. In 1880 he settled in Drum Creek township, where he has make a good farm. He leaves a wife and six children, and a host of friends. The funeral, on Sunday was in charge of Rev. VanCleve, of Liberty, and the remains were interred in Harmony cemetery. Jobe Legacy http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ajobebrown&id=I027645 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ==== JOB Mailing List ==== Please visit our surname web site: Job, Jobe, Jobes, Jobes - Links to Great Information: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown/jobe.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== JOB Mailing List ==== Search or Browse Job Archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=JOB http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/JOB/ ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

I'm confused reading this. Daniel Defoe wrote Robinson Crusoe in 1719, died in 1731--how can these people be his grandparents? Do you mean that one of these people were a descendant of his, instead? Patti Charles L. Megredy and his wife were the grandparents of Daniel Defoe, the originator of the "Novel" viz. "Moll Flanders," famous as a prolific writer and best known for his "Robinson Crusoe." The Morning Reporter - December 29, 1889 Independence, Kansas Charles McGrady, a leading farmer, of Drum Creek Township, residing about six miles east of town, died yesterday morning at nine o'clock of abscess of the liver and inflammation of the bowels. His death hastened, if not largely due to a fall from a wagon he received on Monday. Mr. McGrady leaves a wife and six children one a married daughter Mrs. Davis, resides on Dr. McCalley's farm on Onion Creek. She did not know of her fathers illness and death until she came to town yesterday. South Kansas Tribune - January 1, 1890 Independence, Kansas The sudden death of Charles L. Megready, of Drum Creek town ship, which occurred on Saturday last, at the age of 45 years and 23 days, is another of the oft repeated illustrations that "in the midst of life we are in death." On Saturday afternoon previous he, in company with his friend Alex Hurd, were the latest callers in the TRIBUNE office, and Mr. Megready was in usual health and spirits. On Monday he was hauling corn and in making a turn with the wagon he was thrown or fell from the load, but alighted on his feet, but was jarred and wrenched so as to be internally injured. He went to the house, and when he failed to get relief from pain physicians were called, but his injuries were beyond the relief of human skill, and early on Saturday he breathed his last. He was born in Sanagmon county, Ills., and in 1864 volunteered on the 9th day of May in Co. A, in the 133d Illinois regiment, and served until the fall of that year. In 1880 he settled in Drum Creek township, where he has make a good farm. He leaves a wife and six children, and a host of friends. The funeral, on Sunday was in charge of Rev. VanCleve, of Liberty, and the remains were interred in Harmony cemetery. Jobe Legacy http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ajobebrown&id=I027645 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ==== JOB Mailing List ==== Please visit our surname web site: Job, Jobe, Jobes, Jobes - Links to Great Information: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown/jobe.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

The photo album for Samuel Boone and 4 wives has been updated. We wish to thank Witt Boone for allowing us to use the pages from his book. "Descendants of Jessie Boone - Tribe of Israel Boone". Compiled by Jackie Ned & Witt Boone. Freida http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2114571581 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown/jobe/album/pic/sam_boone_4wives.html 1. Samuel Boone & 1st wife Juda Thurmond. 2. Samuel Boone. Taken from "Descendants of Jessie Boone - Tribe of Israel Boone". pg 44. 3. Sam Boone's children grandchildren 4. Sam and Sally his 4th wife . pg 49 5.Sarah 'Sally' Jackson Geralds Boone in Hat, 4th wife of Samuel Boone --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2108797071 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown/jobe/album/pic/mary_odle_boone.html A new photo album has been made for this couple. We wish to thank Witt Boone for allowing us to use the pages from his book " "Descendants of Jessie Boone - Tribe of Israel Boone". 1. Mary Odle Boone - Used with permission of Witt Boone. 2. George Riley Boone - Used with permission of Witt Boone. Freida __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2108861317 d/o William Daniel Copple and Elmira Belle Heaviland, gd/o John A Copple Sr. & Sarah Ann Jobe and gt gd/o Edward Jobe and Isabel Fincher. A new memorial album has been created for this couple. This is part of my line. Iantha comes from the first marriage of my great grandmother Sarah Ann. I have been working hard to get lots of blanks filled in and photos taken to get them online and I still have two more to get for this one. There is one that I will not have as her daughter Elmira is buried in Thomasville, GA. Freida --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2109189057 s/o Alcinda Job and Ambrose Martin, gs/o Jeremiah Job and Margaret Thorpe, and gt gs/o Zachariah Job and Elizabeth O'Dell. A new record album has been created for this couple. Again we thank Marje (Job) Sherman for her contribution to this family. Freida --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2109916273 d/o Jeremiah Job and Margaret Elizabeth 'Peggy' Thorpe. gd/o Zachariah Job & Elizabeth O'Dell and gt gd/o Moses Job and Unknnown wife. A new Record album has been created for this couple. A BIG thank you to Marje (Job) Sherman for help on this family. I know that we will be adding more to this one in the future. Freida --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2109284656&idx=0 d/o Jeremiah Job and Margaret Elizabeth 'Peggy' Thorpe. gd/o Zachariah Job & Elizabeth O'Dell and gt gd/o Moses Job and Unknnown wife. A new memorial album has been created for this couple. We wish to thank Marje (Job) Sherman for taking the photos. Freida --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2125783355&idx=0 Yesterday Leon and I traveled to Cherryvale, Ks. where I visited the Fairview Cemetery and took several photos for the Megredy Family. They are descendants of: ---------Thomas Vernon Job ---------Archibald Job married to Margaret Rees -------- Elizabeth Maxwell Job married to John Megredy ---------Enoch Megredy married to Mary S. Jones --------James J. Megredy married to Ann Rebecca Hall --------Charles Lemual Megredy married to Virginia Webber Please find in this memorial 10 new photos that I took on Feb. 28, 2006. Ann will be makind a new index for this album. Freida __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Charles L. Megredy and his wife were the grandparents of Daniel Defoe, the originator of the "Novel" viz. "Moll Flanders," famous as a prolific writer and best known for his "Robinson Crusoe." The Morning Reporter - December 29, 1889 Independence, Kansas Charles McGrady, a leading farmer, of Drum Creek Township, residing about six miles east of town, died yesterday morning at nine o’clock of abscess of the liver and inflammation of the bowels. His death hastened, if not largely due to a fall from a wagon he received on Monday. Mr. McGrady leaves a wife and six children one a married daughter Mrs. Davis, resides on Dr. McCalley’s farm on Onion Creek. She did not know of her fathers illness and death until she came to town yesterday. South Kansas Tribune - January 1, 1890 Independence, Kansas The sudden death of Charles L. Megready, of Drum Creek town ship, which occurred on Saturday last, at the age of 45 years and 23 days, is another of the oft repeated illustrations that “in the midst of life we are in death.” On Saturday afternoon previous he, in company with his friend Alex Hurd, were the latest callers in the TRIBUNE office, and Mr. Megready was in usual health and spirits. On Monday he was hauling corn and in making a turn with the wagon he was thrown or fell from the load, but alighted on his feet, but was jarred and wrenched so as to be internally injured. He went to the house, and when he failed to get relief from pain physicians were called, but his injuries were beyond the relief of human skill, and early on Saturday he breathed his last. He was born in Sanagmon county, Ills., and in 1864 volunteered on the 9th day of May in Co. A, in the 133d Illinois regiment, and served until the fall of that year. In 1880 he settled in Drum Creek township, where he has make a good farm. He leaves a wife and six children, and a host of friends. The funeral, on Sunday was in charge of Rev. VanCleve, of Liberty, and the remains were interred in Harmony cemetery. Jobe Legacy http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ajobebrown&id=I027645 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

This is great. You have taught this old pup a new trick. Thanks. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freida Wells" <freida49@yahoo.com> To: <JOB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:31 AM Subject: [JOB] Computer Tip > > From a fellow researcher: > > > I just found this out and thought I'd pass this on. It's very useful > when trying to read small print (especially in the early hours). If you > hold down the Ctrl key on your key board and then turn the small wheel > in the middle of your mouse away from you or towards you, the print size > will > change - it will either get larger or smaller - depending on which way you > turn the wheel. > > Works on email also! > > Try it. > > Freida > > > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > > ==== JOB Mailing List ==== > Gedcoms on World Connect: > Job(e) Legacy: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown > Job(e) Branches: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown2 > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

I received this in from the York page and thought it was very useful, just passing it along. Freida, now I have to figure out how to make the type go back down. Bren ----- Original Message ----- From: <BETSYFARIS@aol.com> To: <SCYORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:12 AM Subject: [SCYORK] EVIDENCE FOR PROOF > > > > EVIDENCE FOR PROOF > Evidence is the means of proving or disproving a fact. There are five > types of evidence: > 1. PRIMARY: Primary evidence is that from a record when the record > itself > is the cause or result of the action or fact to be proved. Examples are: > Vital records, Wills, Church Records, Tombstones etc, This is the best > evidence. > 2. COLLATERAL: Collateral evidence is when it is collateral to the > purpose of the records but never the less an integral part of the record: > Example: > If a man speaks of his dau. by her m. name, it signifies a marriage when > no > marriage record can be found. > 3. SECONDARY: Evidence consists of statements made by persons of facts > they know of their own knowledge: Examples: Oaths, Old Letters, > Depositions. > 4. CIRCUMSTANTIAL: If two or more facts are so related, that if one > which > can be proved by a higher type of evidence is true. When the other is > necessarily, true. Example: Record shows a dau. of a man & later he > marries > someone, it shows he was m. before & had at least one dau.. > 5. REPORTED: Rumor, Hearsay, Co. Histories, & Many Biographies. These > are the least trustworthy but good for clues. > SOURCES OF GENEALOGICAL MATERIALS > 1. PRIVATE: Family Bibles, Ledgers, Diaries, Photograph Albums, > Samplers, > Old Silver, Fly Leaves of old Books, Old Letters, Old Wills, Diplomas, > Citations, Discharge Papers, School Records, Insurance Claims, Baby > Books, > Grandmother Bracelets, Etc. > 2. PUBLIC: Census, Pension, Military, Land Tax, Deeds, Laws, Church > Records, Court, Probate, Vital Records, Mortality, Immigration, > Naturalization, > Obituary Notices, Cem. Records & Tombstones, Register of Voters, Maps, & > Plat > Books. City Directories & Telephone Books. > 3. COMPILED: Printed Genealogies, Co. & Local Histories, Periodicals, > Compiled Tax Lists, Cem., Etc, Newspapers - Articles, Brand Books. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= > Dear Ancestor: Your tombstone stands among the rest; Neglected & aloneThe > name & date are chiseled outOn polished, marbled stoneIt reaches out to > all who > care It is too late to mournYou did not know that I exist You d. & I was > b.Yet > each of us are cells of youIn flesh, in blood, in boneOur blood contracts > & > beats a pulseEntirely not our ownDear Ancestor, the place you filled So > many > years agoSpreads out among the ones you leftWho would have loved you soI > wonder > if you lived & loved, I wonder if you knewThat someday I would find this > spot, > And come to visit you > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

From a fellow researcher: I just found this out and thought I'd pass this on. It's very useful when trying to read small print (especially in the early hours). If you hold down the Ctrl key on your key board and then turn the small wheel in the middle of your mouse away from you or towards you, the print size will change - it will either get larger or smaller - depending on which way you turn the wheel. Works on email also! Try it. Freida --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.

Just updated Job(e) Legacy http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown Ann

The 3 miscellaneous (Twigs) files that I have on World Connect were just updated. Job(e) Twigs - My Miscellaneous Files http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown1 Job(e) Twigs 2 - Jefferson Co., KY Before 1825 http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown1a Job(e) Twigs 3 - Hickman Co., KY before 1830 http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown1b Ann (Jobe) Brown

Just updated Job(e) Branches - descendants of Thomas Job of Rowan Co., NC http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown2 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ajobebrown/jobe1a.html Ann (Jobe) Brown

Forgot to also mention, that the Pheoncians and other Moors traders in the early days had sailed to Uk to Cornwall/Devon park of UK to barter for tin, with spices they had brought with them, now the question remains, did one of them leave a little one behind ??? Warren Job Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Job" <wjob_fhr@tpg.com.au> To: <JOB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [JOB] Re: JOB from France > Greetings Christian and other cousins, > > You have opened up a can of worms, does not matter what the answer is > given, it > is always different in another country etc... > In the English version of JOB/JOBE, they used this as sort of a fools > name, along the lines you had stated... > also , they used this as a first name from the bibleical sense... > Also when one start to look into surname Heraldry, then one comes across > varients of name relating to JOBES,,JOPE,JOPP, JUBB , JUPE, JUPP > etc..(..)... also i have read > somewhere, the name could be translated after 1066 from the Normans trip > across the channell of the surname of JOFFLE (?).. > Also may be related to as a nickname ... JUBBE/JOBB ..a large vessel for > liquor, hold about 4 gallons,.. > or... occupation / trade base... a long woollen garement for men.... > > During my research of my ancestorial name of JOB/JOBE from Gwennap > Cornwall, > i have came across dozens of others JOBs/JOBEs > in Cornwall and other counties of UK, BUT no relationship, > (bar only on several who i had traced as they had travell from Gwennap to > various other places > looking for work...) > > While i am talking about the English records most of them only survived > after the late 16th centuary... > anything earlier than that, would only be abled to trace, would be the > rich people of the land, > where they would have been all documented and their arms traced and lands > they owned, and > castles or estates they lived in...etc.. > > > I have in my JOB line here in Australia ( originally we were miners > from > Gwennap Cornwall ), and only within the past 20 years, one branch had > tacked > the "E" onto their surname,( as their son who travell the world, when > making reservation overseas in his name, upon arrival asked if they got a > reservation for Phillip JOB, they ask him for his passport and look at > the > surname and say sorry Mr JOB ( as in work occupation) we do not have any > reservations for you... most of the times he had convinced them that the > two spellings were the same name JOBE and JOB... finally straw, he came > home and changed his name by deed poll and so did his brothers and > parents.)...( a bit of a contension at a family reunion why they did > it..... > but i show them documents going back to a marriage in 1672, showing our > ancestor surname as JOBE, and currently when our ancestor who came to > Australia , he was born the registation showed as JOBE, but when he > married , had children and died, all showed JOB...... WELL thats my > story.... > > getting back to yours... I have in my surfing, noticed JOBs etc, in > many European counties > and often wondered , did they travelled from UK to their, or, vice versa > ??? > > good luck in with your research and hopefully one day you be able to find > the truth of your line... > > and hopefully this may have answered some of your questions ???... > > regards > Warren Job > Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann (Jobe) Brown" <ann@personainternet.com> > To: <JOB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:04 PM > Subject: [JOB] Re: JOB from France > > >> Christian, >> I'm forwarding this on to the Job list. If anyone would like to comment >> on it - please write Christian directly and also copy the list, as I'm >> sure that others would be interested also. >> >> Ann (Jobe) Brown >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <christianjob@free.fr> >> To: <ann@personainternet.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:57 PM >> Subject: JOB from France >> >> >>> Hi, my name is Christian JOB, I'm from Paris, France. I'm interested >>> into >>> family >>> history and traced my JOB family from 1560. I know we are not related >>> but... >>> anything related to my name interests me... I've visited your JOB family >>> website and it's really interesting... What I wonder is where this >>> surname >>> comes from ? Did you traced Andrew Job's ancestors in England ? Do you >>> know >>> where the name comes from ? >>> >>> In the middle-ages, Job was a surname given simultaneously everywhere in >>> France >>> to somebody who was a little dumb and credulous. It's from the old >>> french >>> adjective "jobe" who means "dumb". In many places the name then passed >>> generations under a diminutive form... with addition of a suffix >>> (Jobert, >>> Jobin, Joubert, Jobard, ect...) : Martin son of Pierre Job would be for >>> exemple >>> called Martin Jobin if he was small or Martin Jobard if he was dumb for >>> real... >>> Jobard is still a word use in french, now more for a fool than for a >>> dumb >>> people... or I think it would fit perfectly for a dumb fool ! The >>> inversion >>> Barjo, is a more modern form, commonly used. >>> >>> The original "Job" form (without diminutives) was maintain mainly in >>> Lorraine >>> (East of France) and Auvergne (Center of France). In Auvergne, there is >>> also a >>> village named Job (formerly Jobe). It counts 1000 inhabitants. >>> >>> I don't know if the name Job in England is related to Job from the Bible >>> but it >>> could be related too to the old french "jobe" after the conquest of >>> England of >>> 1066... maybe you could explain me the origin of the name in England ? >>> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> >>> Christian JOB >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== JOB Mailing List ==== >> Job Message Board: >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/surnames.job >> Jobe Message Board: >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/surnames.jobe >> Jobes Message Board: >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/surnames.jobes >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. 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Greetings Christian and other cousins, You have opened up a can of worms, does not matter what the answer is given, it is always different in another country etc... In the English version of JOB/JOBE, they used this as sort of a fools name, along the lines you had stated... also , they used this as a first name from the bibleical sense... Also when one start to look into surname Heraldry, then one comes across varients of name relating to JOBES,,JOPE,JOPP, JUBB , JUPE, JUPP etc..(..)... also i have read somewhere, the name could be translated after 1066 from the Normans trip across the channell of the surname of JOFFLE (?).. Also may be related to as a nickname ... JUBBE/JOBB ..a large vessel for liquor, hold about 4 gallons,.. or... occupation / trade base... a long woollen garement for men.... During my research of my ancestorial name of JOB/JOBE from Gwennap Cornwall, i have came across dozens of others JOBs/JOBEs in Cornwall and other counties of UK, BUT no relationship, (bar only on several who i had traced as they had travell from Gwennap to various other places looking for work...) While i am talking about the English records most of them only survived after the late 16th centuary... anything earlier than that, would only be abled to trace, would be the rich people of the land, where they would have been all documented and their arms traced and lands they owned, and castles or estates they lived in...etc.. I have in my JOB line here in Australia ( originally we were miners from Gwennap Cornwall ), and only within the past 20 years, one branch had tacked the "E" onto their surname,( as their son who travell the world, when making reservation overseas in his name, upon arrival asked if they got a reservation for Phillip JOB, they ask him for his passport and look at the surname and say sorry Mr JOB ( as in work occupation) we do not have any reservations for you... most of the times he had convinced them that the two spellings were the same name JOBE and JOB... finally straw, he came home and changed his name by deed poll and so did his brothers and parents.)...( a bit of a contension at a family reunion why they did it..... but i show them documents going back to a marriage in 1672, showing our ancestor surname as JOBE, and currently when our ancestor who came to Australia , he was born the registation showed as JOBE, but when he married , had children and died, all showed JOB...... WELL thats my story.... getting back to yours... I have in my surfing, noticed JOBs etc, in many European counties and often wondered , did they travelled from UK to their, or, vice versa ??? good luck in with your research and hopefully one day you be able to find the truth of your line... and hopefully this may have answered some of your questions ???... regards Warren Job Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann (Jobe) Brown" <ann@personainternet.com> To: <JOB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: [JOB] Re: JOB from France > Christian, > I'm forwarding this on to the Job list. If anyone would like to comment > on it - please write Christian directly and also copy the list, as I'm > sure that others would be interested also. > > Ann (Jobe) Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <christianjob@free.fr> > To: <ann@personainternet.com> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:57 PM > Subject: JOB from France > > >> Hi, my name is Christian JOB, I'm from Paris, France. I'm interested into >> family >> history and traced my JOB family from 1560. I know we are not related >> but... >> anything related to my name interests me... I've visited your JOB family >> website and it's really interesting... What I wonder is where this >> surname >> comes from ? Did you traced Andrew Job's ancestors in England ? Do you >> know >> where the name comes from ? >> >> In the middle-ages, Job was a surname given simultaneously everywhere in >> France >> to somebody who was a little dumb and credulous. It's from the old french >> adjective "jobe" who means "dumb". In many places the name then passed >> generations under a diminutive form... with addition of a suffix (Jobert, >> Jobin, Joubert, Jobard, ect...) : Martin son of Pierre Job would be for >> exemple >> called Martin Jobin if he was small or Martin Jobard if he was dumb for >> real... >> Jobard is still a word use in french, now more for a fool than for a dumb >> people... or I think it would fit perfectly for a dumb fool ! The >> inversion >> Barjo, is a more modern form, commonly used. >> >> The original "Job" form (without diminutives) was maintain mainly in >> Lorraine >> (East of France) and Auvergne (Center of France). In Auvergne, there is >> also a >> village named Job (formerly Jobe). It counts 1000 inhabitants. >> >> I don't know if the name Job in England is related to Job from the Bible >> but it >> could be related too to the old french "jobe" after the conquest of >> England of >> 1066... maybe you could explain me the origin of the name in England ? >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> >> Christian JOB >> >> > > > > ==== JOB Mailing List ==== > Job Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/surnames.job > Jobe Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/surnames.jobe > Jobes Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/surnames.jobes > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

VERY interesting, Ann. Thanks for sending it on to everyone! Hope someone will reply! Lonnie