Hi Susan: According to the list here, David Alan James only ordered the 12 marker test. If David is on the James-L List maybe he can verify this for us. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Susan Rosine [mailto:S.JAMES.CLARK@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:04 AM To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [JAMES-L] Re: Rice & James DNA Gwen (and All), I thought David Alan James ordered the 25 marker test?? The mutation is in the first 12 markers anyway, so that will still tell me if the mutation is in my line (Evan James, son of David 1669-1739), or the other line (Thomas James, son of David 1669-1739), depending on whether that one marker of David Alan James' matches my father's, or Gene James'. John S. James' test could also help narrow down where the mutation occurred. My father's (and Lee James') first 12 markers exactly match one RICE line's first 12 markers, BUT one of those markers may be a mutation, in which case we would be one off in the first twelve markers, making us three off total in 25 markers, and thus not a match to the RICE family. Even if we are just two off from the RICEs, we are probably only very distantly related, but it may help the RICE researchers because it could indicate that their line came from Wales, and not elsewhere????? They don't have their line traced back as far as we've traced our JAMES line. Susan