Well this shows the value of the DNA testing, doesn't it?! I am very surprised with the results. John Stewart JAMES had his line traced back as far as Samuel JAMES, and had an old bio on Samuel that listed Samuel's parents. This bit of info then tied John in with our David James of Chester co, PA line. SO WHAT WENT WRONG? My initial guess (which could be wrong) is that the bio that John has for Samuel James is correct--but that Samuel is NOT John's ancestor-- John has perhaps linked himself to the wrong Samuel. I guess that's what I'll have to discuss with John. As proven by Gene James DNA test results, the early part of the James line is correct, so it has to be somewhere later in John's line where he has made an incorrect link. Darn it!!!! I'll say it again---This shows the value of the DNA testing, doesn't it?!!!!!!!! Gwen, do you have any other ideas why John did not get the expected match to the David James ancestor??? Susan --- Original Message --- From: "Gwen Boyer Bjorkman" <gwenbj@seanet.com> To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: New DNA Test Results Posted for a Group Member in Group James >John Stewart James 12 marker test was returned tonight and he is a match with Doyle James and >Richard James. He was supposed to be a match for the David James of Chester Co, PA group. This is >really quite surprising! Can this be right? It is really good that both Richard and John James >have the 25 marker tests ordered and we should know soon if they are really a match for Doyle James. >I hope some of you have some ideas about these results. I will get the website updated right not. > >http://www.familytreedna.com/public/james/ > >25727 Doyle Roland James R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 >17 10 11 19 23 16 16 19 17 37 40 11 12 >42754 Richard James R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 >43728 John Stewart James R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 > >JOHN STEWART JAMES #43728 >E-mail: John S. James rijon@televar.com >George Stanton James Sr.1911 Cowley Co KS-1974 Maricopa Co AZ/Roberta Jane Stewart >Ralph Ward James 1880 Keokuk Co IA-1945 Cowley Co KS/Margaret Stanton >George S. James 1849 Keokuk Co IA-1918 Keokuk Co IA/Frances S. Barringer >Samuel A. James 1823 Botetourt Co VA-1908 Keokuk Co IA/Sarah Moody >Thomas James 1781 Botetourt Co VA-Unknown Date of death or Place/Barbary Britts (Britz) >Daniel James Sr. 1750 Philadelphia Co PA-1817 Bedford Co VA/Susannah Baelert >Thomas James abt 1690 PA-1753 Philadelphia Co PA/Sarah Henderson >David James 1669 probably Wales- 1739 Chester Co PA/Unknown >43728 John Stewart James R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 >Test: Y-DNA25

I can see that these results have caused a stir in the James group!! As someone pointed out, it is a one marker mutation in the 12 marker match and therefore it is not a very close relationship. The 25 marker test is absolutely essential and we will soon know if it is a true match or no match at all. My guess right now is that it is going to be no match at all. Susan is probably right in that the connection with Samuel James is not correct and John is right that we need to remove his line for now. So we will all just wait for those 25 marker results. But I agree with Susan, these DNA tests are valuable!! Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Susan Rosine [mailto:S.JAMES.CLARK@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:06 AM To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [JAMES-L] RE: New DNA Test Results Posted for a Group Member in Group James Well this shows the value of the DNA testing, doesn't it?! I am very surprised with the results. John Stewart JAMES had his line traced back as far as Samuel JAMES, and had an old bio on Samuel that listed Samuel's parents. This bit of info then tied John in with our David James of Chester co, PA line. SO WHAT WENT WRONG? My initial guess (which could be wrong) is that the bio that John has for Samuel James is correct--but that Samuel is NOT John's ancestor-- John has perhaps linked himself to the wrong Samuel. I guess that's what I'll have to discuss with John. As proven by Gene James DNA test results, the early part of the James line is correct, so it has to be somewhere later in John's line where he has made an incorrect link. Darn it!!!! I'll say it again---This shows the value of the DNA testing, doesn't it?!!!!!!!! Gwen, do you have any other ideas why John did not get the expected match to the David James ancestor??? Susan --- Original Message --- From: "Gwen Boyer Bjorkman" <gwenbj@seanet.com> To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: New DNA Test Results Posted for a Group Member in Group James >John Stewart James 12 marker test was returned tonight and he is a match with Doyle James and >Richard James. He was supposed to be a match for the David James of Chester Co, PA group. This is >really quite surprising! Can this be right? It is really good that both Richard and John James >have the 25 marker tests ordered and we should know soon if they are really a match for Doyle James. >I hope some of you have some ideas about these results. I will get the website updated right not. > >http://www.familytreedna.com/public/james/ > >25727 Doyle Roland James R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 >17 10 11 19 23 16 16 19 17 37 40 11 12 >42754 Richard James R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 >43728 John Stewart James R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 > >JOHN STEWART JAMES #43728 >E-mail: John S. James rijon@televar.com >George Stanton James Sr.1911 Cowley Co KS-1974 Maricopa Co AZ/Roberta Jane Stewart >Ralph Ward James 1880 Keokuk Co IA-1945 Cowley Co KS/Margaret Stanton >George S. James 1849 Keokuk Co IA-1918 Keokuk Co IA/Frances S. Barringer >Samuel A. James 1823 Botetourt Co VA-1908 Keokuk Co IA/Sarah Moody >Thomas James 1781 Botetourt Co VA-Unknown Date of death or Place/Barbary Britts (Britz) >Daniel James Sr. 1750 Philadelphia Co PA-1817 Bedford Co VA/Susannah Baelert >Thomas James abt 1690 PA-1753 Philadelphia Co PA/Sarah Henderson >David James 1669 probably Wales- 1739 Chester Co PA/Unknown >43728 John Stewart James R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 >Test: Y-DNA25 ==== JAMES Mailing List ==== Visit the JAMES Surname homepage! http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/jameskin.htm Including: JAMESON, JAMIESON, JANESON, GUNNISON, GUNN, GEMISON,GAMES, HAMES,HUMES, IAMES