For paries interested in the recent posting of Don Payne regarding JOHN JAMES abt 1645 Stafford Co VA and wife ELIZABETH UNKNOWN-NORMAN-JAMES, it should be noted that the identified child THOMAS JAMES was born abt 1675 of John James and an unknown first wife together with another sibling JOHN JAMES b. 1676. Elizabeth Unknown-Norman was the second wife of John James, and no children can be identified from this union. The currently identified 4000+ descendants of this John James can be found at the web site STRAY LEAVES, A JAMES FMAILY IN AMERICA 1650-2000A.D. It includes a searchable database including 64,000 individuals, 22,500 families, and also includes the families of outlaws Jesse & frank James. http://www.ericjames.net best regards, ERIC JAMES