Ann Whoops, forgot to mention that females cannot have the Y-DNA testing done, because we do not carry the gene. We can have the mtDNA done, but this only follows the maternal line back, not the paternal. You will need to find someone in your family, a male cousin, for instance, with the last name James, who will have the test done. This is what I had to do for my Brady DNA. Joan Norstedt

Ann - go to this URL - http://www.familytreedna.com/ Joan Norstedt

Hi James List: We have new DNA results and we have a match with the David James of Chester Co, PA family group. I am sure that Scott Williams will be pleased to find that Joe James has an ancestral line from Chester Co, PA to NC. We will look forward to seeing the 25 markers in order to confirm this match. Please see our webpage in order to see all of the James DNA tests. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/james/ JOE M. JAMES #40303 E-mail: Scott K. Williams showmemule@earthlink.net Joe Clark James 1896 Franklin Co, AL-1985 Memphis, TN Alfred Clark James 1870 Franklin Co, AL-1937 Lee Co, MS/Cammie Rachaeline George Elias James 1836 Franklin Co, AL-1917 Franklin Co, AL/Cynthia McGary Richardson Thomas A. James abt. 1803 GA or TN-1850 Franklin Co, AL/Mary Polly Bonds Elias James, 1770-1780 (Wilmington District NC ?)-1840-1850 Franklin Co, AL 40303 Joe M. James R1b 13 25 14 10 11 15 12 12 12 14 13 30 Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: info@familytreedna.com [mailto:info@familytreedna.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:15 PM To: djames@nsmt.org; gwenbj@seanet.com Subject: New DNA Test Results Posted for a Group Member in Group James New Y-DNA1-12 Markers DNA test results have been posted for Kit# 40303, a member of your Family Tree DNA James Project. Family Tree DNA Notifications Center http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com "History Unearthed Daily" Family Tree DNA

How do you do this DNA test and is there a cost? What does it actually tell you. Sorry but I am new to the list. Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Gwen Boyer Bjorkman [mailto:gwenbj@seanet.com] Sent: 14 October 2005 19:57 To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [JAMES-L] James DNA tests that are pending Here it is Friday again and all of the James DNA tests have gone to the Lab at the University of Arizona so here are the latest dates for when the tests are expected to be back. We should still be getting David Alan James' test results by tomorrow. And we have three new tests where the kit has been mailed to the home, but the test has not yet been returned to FTDNA. The James DNA test is growing!! Our group has 23 members and 20 kits have been returned. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com 40303 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA13-25 Markers Joe M. James 120 11/12/2005 40303 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA1-12 Markers Joe M. James 120 10/29/2005 42410 Y-DNA12 Y-DNA1-12 Markers David Alan James 119 10/15/2005 43728 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA13-25 Markers John Stewart James 121 11/25/2005 43728 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA1-12 Markers John Stewart James 121 11/11/2005 44611 Y-DNA37 Y-DNA13-25 Markers Thomas Malcolm James 122 12/9/2005 44611 Y-DNA37 Y-DNA26-37 Markers Thomas Malcolm James 122 12/9/2005 44611 Y-DNA37 Y-DNA1-12 Markers Thomas Malcolm James 122 11/25/2005 ==== JAMES Mailing List ==== Visit the JAMES Surname homepage! http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/jameskin.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: 12/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: 12/10/2005

Here it is Friday again and all of the James DNA tests have gone to the Lab at the University of Arizona so here are the latest dates for when the tests are expected to be back. We should still be getting David Alan James' test results by tomorrow. And we have three new tests where the kit has been mailed to the home, but the test has not yet been returned to FTDNA. The James DNA test is growing!! Our group has 23 members and 20 kits have been returned. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com 40303 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA13-25 Markers Joe M. James 120 11/12/2005 40303 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA1-12 Markers Joe M. James 120 10/29/2005 42410 Y-DNA12 Y-DNA1-12 Markers David Alan James 119 10/15/2005 43728 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA13-25 Markers John Stewart James 121 11/25/2005 43728 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA1-12 Markers John Stewart James 121 11/11/2005 44611 Y-DNA37 Y-DNA13-25 Markers Thomas Malcolm James 122 12/9/2005 44611 Y-DNA37 Y-DNA26-37 Markers Thomas Malcolm James 122 12/9/2005 44611 Y-DNA37 Y-DNA1-12 Markers Thomas Malcolm James 122 11/25/2005

I am interested in contacting people who have a connection to the JAMES surname from Glamogan in Wales and also people who have the name JAMES JAMES in any generation. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/131 - Release Date: 12/10/2005

We do have a DNA match in the James DNA test! Richard Dale James and Doyle Roland James are a 12 marker match. I would encourage Richard to verify the match with the next 13 markers. It looks like there could be a relationship in North Carolina that has not yet been discovered. But with these new results they are well on their way to solving their ancestry!! See are webpage for the complete results of all of the tests. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/james/ RICHARD DALE JAMES #42754 E-mail: Richard James rjames1961@sbcglobal.net William Thomas Minerville James 1897 Navarro Co, TX-1976 Ft. Worth, TX/Mae Scott David Allen James 1865 GA-1907 Brownsboro, TX/Margrett Drucilla Woodard Aludger James NC 42754 Richard James R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 DOYLE ROLAND JAMES #25727 E:mail: Doyle James djrolling@sbcglobal.net Frank James 1889 Winston Co AL-1972 Calhoun Co MS/Hautie Florence (Fonnie) Burt George Washington James 1866 Winston Co AL-1941 Calhoun Co MS/Florence Idella Kimbrell William Henry James 1835 NC-1868-69? Winston Co AL/Lucinda Seymour 25727 Doyle James - R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 16 9 9 11 11 25 15 19 31 15 15 17 17 Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: info@familytreedna.com [mailto:info@familytreedna.com] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 8:27 PM To: djames@nsmt.org; gwenbj@seanet.com Subject: New DNA Test Results Posted for a Group Member in Group James New Y-DNA1-12 Markers DNA test results have been posted for Kit# 42754, a member of your Family Tree DNA James Project. Family Tree DNA Notifications Center http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com "History Unearthed Daily" Family Tree DNA

We just received the 12 marker DNA results for William Russell James and he does not have a match in the James DNA group. William does not know much about his family other then the fact that they were from Birmingham AL. So if anyone on the list has a James family in Birmingham I hope that you will help William find out some more facts about his family. We also hope that you will have a match soon. The test results for David Alan James are also supposed to be returned this week, so we will look forward to seeing the results. WILLIAM RUSSELL JAMES #42104 E-mail: William James jamwr@aol.com William Ralph James/Georgia Pointer, Birmingham AL 42104 William Russell James 13 23 13 10 15 16 12 12 12 13 15 28 I will update the James DNA webpage with the new results. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/james/ You can sign up for the James DNA test there and see if we can form some more matches. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: info@familytreedna.com [mailto:info@familytreedna.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:06 PM To: djames@nsmt.org; gwenbj@seanet.com Subject: New DNA Test Results Posted for a Group Member in Group James New Y-DNA1-12 Markers DNA test results have been posted for Kit# 42104, a member of your Family Tree DNA James Project. Family Tree DNA Notifications Center http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com "History Unearthed Daily" Family Tree DNA

We are researching the James/Crump family this is the information we have Sophia James b. 1786 in Cold Aston, England, father Joseph James mother Betty Sophia James, children are Charles James b.1809 Charlton Abbots GLS England David James b.1811 Charlton Abbots Joseph James b 1813 Charlton Abbots Martha James b. 1812 Charlton Abbots Susan James b. 1817 Shurdington, GLS William James b. 1820 Phoebe James Isaac James b.1825 Charlton Abbots The baptism records for the children of Sophia James list no father, but in the 1849 will for John Crump he lists Sophia James as his wife and all the children as his natural born children as Crump's, after 1849 all his children I have listed are now Crump not James, is anyone researching this family? Linda

Where is the website? My father was married to my mother for over 50 years and never talked about his past, this is all we know. Edgar James born Oct. 6th 1899 Mass. died Nov. 2 1974 Sacramento, Ca. Worked for the railroad from 1922 to abt 1964. Married Nov 22 1923 in Fort Smith Ark. to Alice Pendleton my mother. Edgar James father is Samuel James mother Viola Hicks they died abt when he was 6 to 10? Brother Tommy or Thomas James abt 6 to 7 years older. Wife Lesie? Children Samuel, Edwina, Edgar ? Is this what you wont? Tom James Adcom Worldwide www.adcomworldwide.com P 877-700-7200 F 877-700-2755

I am a Mims decendant on my Mothers side. I am also a Rice decendant on my Fathers side. Teressa Rice that married George Armstrong. Teressa Rice was born in either Conn. or Mass.. Looking for answers! Glynda

Gwen (and All), I thought David Alan James ordered the 25 marker test?? The mutation is in the first 12 markers anyway, so that will still tell me if the mutation is in my line (Evan James, son of David 1669-1739), or the other line (Thomas James, son of David 1669-1739), depending on whether that one marker of David Alan James' matches my father's, or Gene James'. John S. James' test could also help narrow down where the mutation occurred. My father's (and Lee James') first 12 markers exactly match one RICE line's first 12 markers, BUT one of those markers may be a mutation, in which case we would be one off in the first twelve markers, making us three off total in 25 markers, and thus not a match to the RICE family. Even if we are just two off from the RICEs, we are probably only very distantly related, but it may help the RICE researchers because it could indicate that their line came from Wales, and not elsewhere????? They don't have their line traced back as far as we've traced our JAMES line. Susan --- Original Message --- From: "Gwen Boyer Bjorkman" <gwenbj@seanet.com> To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [JAMES-L] Re: Rice & James DNA >Here is the latest word on the James DNA test. It looks like William Russell James and David Alan >James should be getting their 12 marker results by Oct. 15. That would be this Saturday. Your >cousins are David Alan and John Stewart. David is only getting the 12 marker test and the two >markers, DYS458 and DYS449, are on the next 13 markers. We will know about those mutations when >John Stewart James gets back his 25 marker test in November. > > 40303 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA13-25 Markers Joe M. James 120 11/12/2005 > 40303 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA1-12 Markers Joe M. James 120 10/29/2005 > 42104 Y-DNA12 Y-DNA1-12 Markers William Russell James 119 10/15/2005 > 42410 Y-DNA12 Y-DNA1-12 Markers David Alan James 119 10/15/2005 > 42754 Y-DNA12 Y-DNA1-12 Markers Richard Dale James 120 10/29/2005 > 43728 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA13-25 Markers John Stewart James 121 11/25/2005 > 43728 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA1-12 Markers John Stewart James 121 11/11/2005 > >There are four more tests that have been mailed, but have not yet been returned to the FTDNA. I >still need to get family lines from two of them. Here are the four tests. I hope the two will send >their family lines soon so we can get them posted on the James DNA website. > >THOMAS JAMES #44840 >E-mail:Lucy DeYoung lucydeyoung@isomedia.com >E-mail:Thomas James tjames89@juno.com >John Thomas James 1923 WV-/Beatrice Fronk >Solomon James 1873 KY-1952 WV/Elsie Spaulding >John James 1842 Lawrence or Martin Co., KY-??/Rhoda Brewer >Ephraim James 1819 Floyd Co. KY-abt1865 Lawrence or Martin Co, KY/Sarah Stepp >John James 1798 Orange or Surry Co, NC-abt 1840 Lawrence Co, KY/Milly Vaughan >Samuel James abt 1774 MA-1836 Floyd Co, KY/Sarah Charles >44840 Thomas James >Test: Y-DNA25 > >TOMMY HARPER JAMES #44808 >E-mail: Tommy James tjames@adcomworldwide.com > >44808 Tommy James >Test: Y-DNA12 > >THOMAS MALCOLM JAMES #44611 >E-mail: Thomas James tj48@comcast.net >Thomas Malcolm James, 1877 Shawnee Co. KS-1958 Multnomah Co. OR/Bertha Smith >Thomas Malcolm James, 1839 Erie Co. Ohio-1918 Shawnee Co. KS/Laura Wendell >Thomas Malcolm James, 1805 Kiltrisk Parish Wexford Ireland-1887 Erie Co. OH/Francis Hill >Thomas Malcolm James, ~1770 Ireland-1830 Erie Co. OH/Jane Taylor >44611 Thomas James >Test: Y-DNA37 > >RICKY MALVERN JAMES #44395 >E-mail: Ricky James osagem@msn.com > >44395 Ricky James >Test: Y-DNA37 > > >Gwen Boyer Bjorkman >gwenbj@seanet.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Susan Rosine [mailto:S.JAMES.CLARK@prodigy.net] >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:36 PM >To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [JAMES-L] Re: Rice & James DNA > >Martha, > >I am the person Gwen mentioned in her email to you. >I have previously noticed that my father's DNA is a >close match to some RICE people. However, it appears >there has been a mutation in one marker, and at this >point we do not know where the mutation occurred. We >should be able to tell shortly, when another family >member's test results come back. If the mutation >occurred in my father's line, then the "true" DNA >markers for my JAMES line are actually THREE off from >the RICE family, and not two. However, if this other >test comes back as matching my father's, then the >mutation occurred elsewhere, and my father has >the "true" markers, and would be legimately just a >distance of two from the Rice family. > >Because my JAMES family is of Welsh descent, last >names are not a good indication of relationship. My >David JAMES was born about 1669 somewhere in Wales. I >do not know his father's name with certainty. It is >possible that his father did not have the last name of >JAMES. Many Welsh did not have surnames as late as >the 18th century. So, if your RICE family comes from >Wales (RHYS is a Welsh name that sometimes changed >into RICE), then we could share a common ancestor 1669 >or earlier. For example, if there was a man >named "James, son of Rhys" (or "James ap Rhys"), then >some of his children may have taken the last name of >JAMES, while others took RHYS/RICE. I'm not saying >this is fact, I'm just saying it's a possibility. >I've seen Welsh siblings taking different last names >many times, and that is why it's hard to research >Welsh lines, and the DNA test doesn't really help when >you get about 300-400 years back in Welsh lines. > >I am not going to pursue a possible Rice connection >with my James family until I know whether my father's >line contains a mutated marker or not. We should know >soon. > >Oh, and my JAMES line is not related to Ezekiel and >Sherrad James as far as I know. If we are connected, >it will likely be back in Wales, not in the USA. > >Susan > >--- Original Message --- >From: ricesouthern@comcast.net >To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Rice & James DNA > >>Gwen, >> Thank you for your comments. In some instances >the statistics are not always correct. It certainly >would be interesting to have a descendant of Sherrad >and Ezekiel James tested as this is a strange >coincidence since they did associate with our line. >It should be noted the differences are only one step >and they occur at DYS458 and DYS449. Both of these >loci are known to mutate at a faster than normal rate. >>Martha Rice

Hi Susan: According to the list here, David Alan James only ordered the 12 marker test. If David is on the James-L List maybe he can verify this for us. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Susan Rosine [mailto:S.JAMES.CLARK@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:04 AM To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [JAMES-L] Re: Rice & James DNA Gwen (and All), I thought David Alan James ordered the 25 marker test?? The mutation is in the first 12 markers anyway, so that will still tell me if the mutation is in my line (Evan James, son of David 1669-1739), or the other line (Thomas James, son of David 1669-1739), depending on whether that one marker of David Alan James' matches my father's, or Gene James'. John S. James' test could also help narrow down where the mutation occurred. My father's (and Lee James') first 12 markers exactly match one RICE line's first 12 markers, BUT one of those markers may be a mutation, in which case we would be one off in the first twelve markers, making us three off total in 25 markers, and thus not a match to the RICE family. Even if we are just two off from the RICEs, we are probably only very distantly related, but it may help the RICE researchers because it could indicate that their line came from Wales, and not elsewhere????? They don't have their line traced back as far as we've traced our JAMES line. Susan

Martha, I am the person Gwen mentioned in her email to you. I have previously noticed that my father's DNA is a close match to some RICE people. However, it appears there has been a mutation in one marker, and at this point we do not know where the mutation occurred. We should be able to tell shortly, when another family member's test results come back. If the mutation occurred in my father's line, then the "true" DNA markers for my JAMES line are actually THREE off from the RICE family, and not two. However, if this other test comes back as matching my father's, then the mutation occurred elsewhere, and my father has the "true" markers, and would be legimately just a distance of two from the Rice family. Because my JAMES family is of Welsh descent, last names are not a good indication of relationship. My David JAMES was born about 1669 somewhere in Wales. I do not know his father's name with certainty. It is possible that his father did not have the last name of JAMES. Many Welsh did not have surnames as late as the 18th century. So, if your RICE family comes from Wales (RHYS is a Welsh name that sometimes changed into RICE), then we could share a common ancestor 1669 or earlier. For example, if there was a man named "James, son of Rhys" (or "James ap Rhys"), then some of his children may have taken the last name of JAMES, while others took RHYS/RICE. I'm not saying this is fact, I'm just saying it's a possibility. I've seen Welsh siblings taking different last names many times, and that is why it's hard to research Welsh lines, and the DNA test doesn't really help when you get about 300-400 years back in Welsh lines. I am not going to pursue a possible Rice connection with my James family until I know whether my father's line contains a mutated marker or not. We should know soon. Oh, and my JAMES line is not related to Ezekiel and Sherrad James as far as I know. If we are connected, it will likely be back in Wales, not in the USA. Susan --- Original Message --- From: ricesouthern@comcast.net To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Rice & James DNA >Gwen, > Thank you for your comments. In some instances the statistics are not always correct. It certainly would be interesting to have a descendant of Sherrad and Ezekiel James tested as this is a strange coincidence since they did associate with our line. It should be noted the differences are only one step and they occur at DYS458 and DYS449. Both of these loci are known to mutate at a faster than normal rate. >Martha Rice

Here is the latest word on the James DNA test. It looks like William Russell James and David Alan James should be getting their 12 marker results by Oct. 15. That would be this Saturday. Your cousins are David Alan and John Stewart. David is only getting the 12 marker test and the two markers, DYS458 and DYS449, are on the next 13 markers. We will know about those mutations when John Stewart James gets back his 25 marker test in November. 40303 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA13-25 Markers Joe M. James 120 11/12/2005 40303 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA1-12 Markers Joe M. James 120 10/29/2005 42104 Y-DNA12 Y-DNA1-12 Markers William Russell James 119 10/15/2005 42410 Y-DNA12 Y-DNA1-12 Markers David Alan James 119 10/15/2005 42754 Y-DNA12 Y-DNA1-12 Markers Richard Dale James 120 10/29/2005 43728 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA13-25 Markers John Stewart James 121 11/25/2005 43728 Y-DNA25 Y-DNA1-12 Markers John Stewart James 121 11/11/2005 There are four more tests that have been mailed, but have not yet been returned to the FTDNA. I still need to get family lines from two of them. Here are the four tests. I hope the two will send their family lines soon so we can get them posted on the James DNA website. THOMAS JAMES #44840 E-mail:Lucy DeYoung lucydeyoung@isomedia.com E-mail:Thomas James tjames89@juno.com John Thomas James 1923 WV-/Beatrice Fronk Solomon James 1873 KY-1952 WV/Elsie Spaulding John James 1842 Lawrence or Martin Co., KY-??/Rhoda Brewer Ephraim James 1819 Floyd Co. KY-abt1865 Lawrence or Martin Co, KY/Sarah Stepp John James 1798 Orange or Surry Co, NC-abt 1840 Lawrence Co, KY/Milly Vaughan Samuel James abt 1774 MA-1836 Floyd Co, KY/Sarah Charles 44840 Thomas James Test: Y-DNA25 TOMMY HARPER JAMES #44808 E-mail: Tommy James tjames@adcomworldwide.com 44808 Tommy James Test: Y-DNA12 THOMAS MALCOLM JAMES #44611 E-mail: Thomas James tj48@comcast.net Thomas Malcolm James, 1877 Shawnee Co. KS-1958 Multnomah Co. OR/Bertha Smith Thomas Malcolm James, 1839 Erie Co. Ohio-1918 Shawnee Co. KS/Laura Wendell Thomas Malcolm James, 1805 Kiltrisk Parish Wexford Ireland-1887 Erie Co. OH/Francis Hill Thomas Malcolm James, ~1770 Ireland-1830 Erie Co. OH/Jane Taylor 44611 Thomas James Test: Y-DNA37 RICKY MALVERN JAMES #44395 E-mail: Ricky James osagem@msn.com 44395 Ricky James Test: Y-DNA37 Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Susan Rosine [mailto:S.JAMES.CLARK@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:36 PM To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [JAMES-L] Re: Rice & James DNA Martha, I am the person Gwen mentioned in her email to you. I have previously noticed that my father's DNA is a close match to some RICE people. However, it appears there has been a mutation in one marker, and at this point we do not know where the mutation occurred. We should be able to tell shortly, when another family member's test results come back. If the mutation occurred in my father's line, then the "true" DNA markers for my JAMES line are actually THREE off from the RICE family, and not two. However, if this other test comes back as matching my father's, then the mutation occurred elsewhere, and my father has the "true" markers, and would be legimately just a distance of two from the Rice family. Because my JAMES family is of Welsh descent, last names are not a good indication of relationship. My David JAMES was born about 1669 somewhere in Wales. I do not know his father's name with certainty. It is possible that his father did not have the last name of JAMES. Many Welsh did not have surnames as late as the 18th century. So, if your RICE family comes from Wales (RHYS is a Welsh name that sometimes changed into RICE), then we could share a common ancestor 1669 or earlier. For example, if there was a man named "James, son of Rhys" (or "James ap Rhys"), then some of his children may have taken the last name of JAMES, while others took RHYS/RICE. I'm not saying this is fact, I'm just saying it's a possibility. I've seen Welsh siblings taking different last names many times, and that is why it's hard to research Welsh lines, and the DNA test doesn't really help when you get about 300-400 years back in Welsh lines. I am not going to pursue a possible Rice connection with my James family until I know whether my father's line contains a mutated marker or not. We should know soon. Oh, and my JAMES line is not related to Ezekiel and Sherrad James as far as I know. If we are connected, it will likely be back in Wales, not in the USA. Susan --- Original Message --- From: ricesouthern@comcast.net To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Rice & James DNA >Gwen, > Thank you for your comments. In some instances the statistics are not always correct. It certainly would be interesting to have a descendant of Sherrad and Ezekiel James tested as this is a strange coincidence since they did associate with our line. It should be noted the differences are only one step and they occur at DYS458 and DYS449. Both of these loci are known to mutate at a faster than normal rate. >Martha Rice

Gwen, Thank you for your comments. In some instances the statistics are not always correct. It certainly would be interesting to have a descendant of Sherrad and Ezekiel James tested as this is a strange coincidence since they did associate with our line. It should be noted the differences are only one step and they occur at DYS458 and DYS449. Both of these loci are known to mutate at a faster than normal rate. Martha Rice

Greetings, My husband is one of the Rices who is a 23/25 match with a member of the James family. I am wondering if there is a connection to the Sherrad and Ezekiel James found on the 1800 tax list of Wythe County? We have an Ezekiel Rice b. 1777 in Wythe County (Montgomery at the time) and a Sherrod Rice b. 1805 in VA, most likely in Wythe County also. Martha Rice

Hi Martha: Your match was with Warren James and Susan Rosine is his sponsor. WARREN K. JAMES #35874 E:mail: Susan Rosine s.james.clark@prodigy.net Thomas K. James 1848 Henry Co, IN-1926 Indianapolis, IN/Eva McNew Jonas K. James 1812 Jefferson Co, OH-1905 Henry Co, IN/Rachel Kennard Evan James 1784 Chester Co, PA-1844 Henry Co, IN/Rebecca Pickering Samuel James 1754 Chester Co, PA-1812 Jefferson Co, OH/Hannah Smith Evan James b. ?? probably Chester Co, PA-1794 Delaware Co, PA/Margaret Jones David James 1669 probably Wales-1739 Chester Co, PA/Unknown R1b 13 25 14 10 11 15 12 12 12 14 13 30 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 16 17 If you look at that little symbol to the right of your match on your webpage it tells you that "In comparing 25 markers, the probability that Warren K. James and William A. Rice shared a common ancestor within the last 600 years is 88.49%." Now that is really a long time ago and not a very good probability. Unfortunately this brings up the fact that my two cousins in the James DNA test are also 23/25 matches and they share the same name and we know they are related. But sharing the same name does increase the probability of them being related. "In comparing 25 markers, the probability that Leasel M. James and Robert James shared a common ancestor within the last 600 years is 90.30%." We know they share a common ancestor who was born in 1776 and the probability for sharing a common ancestor in the last 300 years is only 51.64%. I am not sure that I like these figures. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: ricesouthern@comcast.net [mailto:ricesouthern@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:14 PM To: JAMES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [JAMES-L] Rice & James DNA Greetings, My husband is one of the Rices who is a 23/25 match with a member of the James family. I am wondering if there is a connection to the Sherrad and Ezekiel James found on the 1800 tax list of Wythe County? We have an Ezekiel Rice b. 1777 in Wythe County (Montgomery at the time) and a Sherrod Rice b. 1805 in VA, most likely in Wythe County also. Martha Rice

I was wondering if anyone is researching James from the Charlton Abbots, Blockley, and Aston Blank areas of England Linda

John W. JAMES. Cobb Co., Georgia. Born abt 1828 in Georgia, to John and Sarah James. Married Sarah ??. Children- Ezra, Joseph, Annah, Louisa, Thomas J., J. Andrew, Noah, Sam. Found in 1850-1880 census in Georgia. Not found in 1900. Fought in Company B, 41st Infantry Regiment Georgia in Civil War. Any information that you could share on John W. JAMES would be appreciated, thanks, Fred James.