Mark, This might violate your rules of engagement but I see it as one aspect of the significance of the historic Jacobitical movement in Britain. This might be obvious to you Top Feeding Scots but to this descendant of Bottom Feeding Scots, it just struck me whilst reading Bills posting where the term "Christian name" originated. This has always bothered me, since I became conscience: what would a non-Christian have for a first name? In America the term "free thinker" was used in the last century as a euphemism for "atheist." My great great grandfather Pvt. Joseph Warren Lockhart, a smith, is said to have proclaimed he was a "free thinker," who did not believe in slavery and therefore joined the Union Army in Galveston in 1863. Perhaps "Christian name" should be "christening name", and would therefore only apply to "Christians." And, furthermore, I doubt many of our Top Feeding or Bottom Feeding Scot ancestors who were Calvinists considered Jacobites Christian. Therefore, in the Reformed Christian world, we might conclude that Jacobites had no first names, by definition. And Our Jacobitical ancestors certainly did not recognize "chistening" by Presbyterians. In fact, in the Colonies after 1720's, the Church of England priests would declare Presbyterian marriages and christenings void. Presbyterians from "the Scotch Irish Colony" (Ulster Scots), Staunton, Augusta County, Virginia, often would travel to Charlottesville, some thirty miles, to get married or have a child christened and then return to Staunton and repeat the same in the Presbyterian Church. (I am not certain when the Church of Scotland or Congregation of the People started being called the Kirk "Presbyterian?") These Ulster Scots were highly motivated to join George Washington, when the latter and cohorts decided to take on the mightiest army on the globe, the "English Army", and sever ties with Hanoverian Britain. The Hanoverians could have stopped this by allowing gentlemen like, Mr. Washington, into polite English society. After all, who but some sort of Scot, would be fool hearty enough to follow some idiot in such a certain-to-lose enterprise. I'll tell you, it was these same "idiots" and their descendants, who were the only people who took up the Mexican Government's plea for some peoples to move to Tejas de Coahuila, become Roman Catholic (JacobitE?) and destroy the Comanche Amerindians. Although, I feel quite certain that the cause of the Jacobites was far from the vast majority of these far removed Scots. The Comanche Amerindians were the most robust light cavalry to ever live or who will ever live! Who but an amalgam of Gaelic-Saxon Scots, highland and lowland, would be audacious enough to move in between the Mexicans and Comanches. The Mexican Army was the most modern in North America and the Comanche were considered invincible. This created a propinquity of Calvinist and Roman Catholic cultures similar in distaste for each other as occurred in Scotland and Ulster Ireland. These people traveled far to escape social stratification and Mary Stuarts progeny's Jacobitical concerns. Then these Ulster Scots and progeny, took the land from Mexico and the Comanche, with similar tactics the English Army used on Highland Scots, and created a statified society, which excluded or persecuted Roman Catholics. Albeit, a stratified society within which Anglo-Saxons and eventially Germans and Nordic people had status mobility. Today the descendants of the Mexicans and Amerindians dream of taking this land back from, largely, the descendants of those Ulster Scots, who established a virtual "Scots Colony" between 1822 and 1848, which resulted in "reservationing" the few Amerindians alive, after "holocaustic" wars, which were ultimately generaled and inspired by Ulster Scot descendants Pres. Grant, and Generals Sherman and Sheridan. By 1848 Mexico ceded half her land and Comancheria was "reservationed" by the 1870's. Many Mexicans from Mexico, D.F. area (central Mexico) are convinced that the Nortenos (residents of the northern states of Mexico) who are the most prosperous Mexicans, want to secede and join the United States. This is pure paranoia. However, it is a cultural obsession of Nortenos and Hispanic Americans, to ultimately take back the Southwestern United States. This could augur direct conflict between Mexican and Hispanic Americans and the coming Anglo minority. The Ulster Scot Calvinistic culture -- largely Baptists, Pentecostals, and other fundamentalist Protestants as they converted from the Presbyterian Church, when "they could no longer understand the minister" -- are eager to resort to arms to seal the Mexican Border from the Rio Grande (Rio Bravo in Mexico) to the Pacific. These fundamentalist Churches hold faster to Calvinistic rigor than the modern Methodist and Presbyterians. One aspect of that is lack of tolerance for people of other faiths, ethnic origin, race, etc. There is sentiment among some Anglo Texans to secede from the United States and return to the Republic of Texas. This could mean war with Mexico. Although, we see some parallels with devolution in Scotland, Texas was a separate republic for only ten years. It currently enjoys massive in-migration and immigration of educated people; that is, a major influx of human capital. It is striking how a phenomenal conflict, symbolically started by Knox and Mary Stuart, is found, not just in the borderlands of Scotland and England, but also in the borderlands of Mexico and the Southwestern United States. Bill Stevenson wrote: > Does anyone know of any research which has been made into the occurrence (or > exclusion) of particular christian names in Jacobite famillies in the > various periods of Scottish history? > > ********************************************************************* > Bill Stevenson E-mail: > bste@aub.auc.dk > Incorporated Urban Planner > Research Librarian/Map Librarian Telephone: (+45) 9635 9384 > Aalborg University Library Telefax: (+45) 9815 3844 > Postbox 8200 > DK-9220 AALBORG URL: > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2271 > Denmark > ********************************************************************* > We are drowning in information, while starving for > wisdom > This message was transmitted by using information enriched recyclable > electrons > **********************************************************************