Hi William or is it Bill! My own view has always tended to the Norman argument for the Lockharts, rather than Saxon and yes many Normans were Flemish, not Belgian, same geographical area, different ethnic origins. The greatest "Norman" influence in Scotland was in the first half of the 12th century as a result of Malcolm III Canmore who married the shipwrecked Princess Margaret Atheling, one of the last surviving members of the Saxon Royal Family and their sons, especially the youngest, David, one of Scotland's greatest kings. First Malcolm and then David encouraged their Norman cousins and friends to move up to Scotland to help keep down the supporters of Malcolm's sons from his first marriage Ingebiorg who was descended from the Norwegian Royal House which still rules large parts of northern and western Scotland. Anyway the Lockharts first surface in Scotland in Ayrshire and Lanarkshire in the 12th century, slap bang in the middle of that period. However, another source suggests it is a Gaelic name from "luchairt", meaning castle or palace, but since that was the first thing Norman nobles did on arrival, it may be the same story. However without meaning to offend you, I did set this list up to discuss the Jacobite period, so if you wish to discuss this further with me, please do so off-list. Regards to all, Mark Genealogist: Clan Sutherland Co-genealogist: Clan Mackenzie see my web-site: http://www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk Professional Genealogist specialising in Highland Research and the 18th century ----- Original Message ----- From: W.E. Lockhart III <elockhartosiris@yahoo.com> To: Mark Sutherland-Fisher <mark@highland-family-heritage.co.uk>; <wlockhart@brooksdata.net> Cc: <JACOBITES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 07 November 1999 05:30 Subject: Re: Edgar : English Jacobite /Regular army recruits > Mark, > much to the chagrin of my fellow Lockharts, my > idea that Locard was indeed originally a Norman > name, probably originating in today's Belgian. > This contradicts Sir Simon McDonald-Lockhart's > claim that the Locards were Saxons fleeing the > Normans. He speculates that they founded > Lockerbie (Locard Byg) before moving north to > Ayleshire and Lanarkshire. > Then as the story goes Sir Symon Locard, or > heirs, changed the name to Lockheart after > returning with the key to the box with the > Bruce's heart, circa 1330 ACE. It would make > since that they would get on the Braveheart > bandwagon, even though some claim Sir Symon was a > betrayer of William Wallace. However, I cannot > substantiate this claim. > The Lockhart spelling and other cognates like > Lockart, etc. first were seen in writing in the > 1500's, from the best information I have. > Do you agree with the Norman theory? > > William Edgar Lockhart III > > ps aint no doubt that the "William" was a Norman > name, no? > > --- Mark Sutherland-Fisher > <mark@highland-family-heritage.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I would consider Edgar to be an English > > surname, after the Saxon king, > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com >