In a message dated 13/11/99 1:26:15 PM Central Standard Time, gkee@vt.edu writes: << He is right you know, at the time the US was not worth the fight in the grand scheme of things. Many on us Americans don't really lose sight of that but it is that we are never taught that in our school history. Great book on the subject is "The First Salute" by I forget who :). Gary >> I saw an American professor explain why it was vertually imposible for the Brits to hold America or Canada without the total support of the population and it seems it was a simple matter of logistics. What is cool is the small events that happen, when Patterson had Washington in his sights and did not fire, when Benedict Arnold, (probably one of Americas best tacticians) was slighted and the insult sent him over the lines. Ah well the Queen said if you lot said you were sorry we would maybe take you back. I have often sat with pals in the mess, American Canadian and British etc., and stratagised of what it would of been like if King George could of seen what America would become, or if the Traitors had failed in their revolution. Would France still be a Kingdom..etc. Dave