I just recently joined this site . My husband James Coats is a direct descendant of Ludovic Grant , exiled to the colonies following the Jacobite Rebellion in 1715 . Do any of you have any information on him and his family and the part he played in that particular rebellion ?. I would also like to find out any particulars on the Lord or Maxwell who was sentenced to death by beheading to the Tower of London for the same rebellion . This maxwell escaped from ,the Tower disguised as his wife's maid. He reportedly spent the rest of his life in exile in Italy . Does anyone have any information on his descendants and their migration patterns. Enjoy reading the information that becomes available on this site. Juanell Maxwell Coats JACOBITES-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > JACOBITES-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 6 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Preston [Doris Winskie <dwinskie@triax.com>] > #2 Battle of Culloden ["Bruce Stewart" <thebruce@sprintma] > #3 Re: ["jedp" <jedp@erols.com>] > #4 Re: Perth [ScotHeritage@aol.com] > #5 Re: Edgar : English Jacobite /Regu [ScotHeritage@aol.com] > #6 Re: Culloden and the 45 [ScotHeritage@aol.com] > #7 Re: Edgar : English Jacobite /Regu [William Lockhart <wlockhart@brooks] > #8 Re: Perth [William Lockhart <wlockhart@brooks] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from JACOBITES-D, send a message to > > JACOBITES-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. 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Request a description of the forces and > action at Preston. > John Winskie > Chewelah, WA > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Battle of Culloden > Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:02:10 -0700 > From: "Bruce Stewart" <thebruce@sprintmail.com> > To: JACOBITES-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi listers, > > I am looking for information for the men from Atholl in this last battle. > Who went and who came back? Specifically those from Kynachan, Foss and > Garth. Where can I find info for this area & time? > > Love/Peace > > Bruce M Stewart > thebruce@sprintmail.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: > Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:44:57 -0400 > From: "jedp" <jedp@erols.com> > To: JACOBITES-L@rootsweb.com > > unsubscribe! > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Perth > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 06:12:51 EST > From: ScotHeritage@aol.com > To: JACOBITES-L@rootsweb.com > > In a message dated 28/10/99 1:11:21 PM Central Standard Time, dsaban@trib.com > writes: > > << We are researching a couple who were married in 1739 in Perth. His name > was > John Sabine, a soldier of this parish, and Ann Deer, of this parish. > > Since he was listed as soldier, we are presuming he was of the regular army > such as the Black Watch. Any ideas on how to trace him and what happened to > him? > > The 42nd was in Flanders at that time. Try the regimental museum in Perth, or > the Scottish Museum in Edinburgh. > > I also have a unique situation that brings up the subject of the Highland > migration south. My grandmother was a Meikle, and the family immigrated to > the USA around 1875. I have them traced in Lanark, technically a lowland > county. The more I learn about Lanark the more I realize how it became the > melting pot of > Scotland. My grandmother spoke Gaelic as well as English, and had in her > possession a set of bagpipes and a blue/green tartan (well worn). It has > puzzled me how a Lanark family would be speaking Gaelic and have such things > as bagpipes and tartans. > > Lanark was the sight chosen by "The Utopian Socialists", to attempt to > revolutionize society and was the most advance area to live in at the period. > (Beginning of Industrial Revolution.) Each worker had a flat, (apartment), > each child went to school, each family had medical coverage, and it was all > supplied by the company. Perhaps the best known of the group to America is > Adam Smith, the father of modern economics, and probably capitalism as we > know it. (How to anger an Englishman; Scotland the Birth Place of Adam Smith, > England the grave of Karl Marks hehhe) Why Gaels in the area. 1; sheep > taking over the land, 2: work in the South. The tenements filled very fast > with Highlanders and Islanders who were being driven from the land. Glasgow > had Gaelic congregation the churches, the Highland regiments found a right > haven of sympathy when the began to mutiny, and there was a great feeling of > Republicanism in the area at the time. (Not a political Party, a government > without a King.) There is a place called the Highlandman's Umbrella in > Glasgow, and it is an arch where the Gaels would gather to exchange news and > stories and just to socializes and find out what was going on at home. > Hope this helps a little bit. > > We recently took the Meikle line back to a > marriage in Perth in 1750 between James Meikle, of Lesmahagow and Janet > Taylor of Perth. Janet was the daughter of George Taylor and Janet > Stirling. > > Would like some suggestions on where to go from here to uncover the Gaelic > in this family. > > Don and Mary in Wyoming > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Edgar : English Jacobite /Regular army recruits > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 06:21:15 EST > From: ScotHeritage@aol.com > To: JACOBITES-L@rootsweb.com > > In a message dated 28/10/99 5:55:56 PM Central Standard Time, > mark@highland-family-heritage.co.uk writes: > > << Hi Paul and list and friends in the Brit Regiment list, > I am no expert on all matters Jacobite or anything like it. However as I > said, the one place they successfully recruited in England during the march > to Derby, was in Lancashire, after they captured Carlisle. These recruits > were assumed into the Manchester Regiment commanded by the brave, (but as > history proved naive or foolish) Col. Francis Townley. > > If I am not mistaken, the greatest strength of The Manchester Group was never > more than 200. > > It also "sucked up" the stragglers and deserters from the Regular army. > Unfortunately Townley volunteered his regiment to hold Carlisle during the > retreat and when he surrendered, he and his men were treated as traitors, > rather than as > prisoners-of-war. He and most of his Captains were among the last men in > Britain to suffer the dreadful punishment of being hung, cut down just > before they were dead, having their entrails removed while they were alive > and then if they hadn't died with shock or loss of blood, watched as the > axeman put them out of their misery. This was the execution William Wallace > faced 450 years earlier. We weren't that terribly much more civilised almost > half a millennium later!! > > Many places still are not. Many of the less civilized countries still have > the death penalty. > > Anyway I am not sure about all the sources of Muster Rolls in England and > hopefully Iain Kerr will see this posting and give a far more eloquent > answer than I ever can. > > It will be very interesting to see if any record was kept. The English King > and his officers were not know for their kindness, or mercy in this campaign. > > Iain as you read this along with all the other Brit > Regiment "troops", don't blush because you will probably forget more about > British military history than most of the rest of us will ever learn. > Regards to all from the Jacobite list. > Mark > Genealogist: Clan Sutherland > Co-genealogist: Clan Mackenzie > see my web-site: http://www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Culloden and the 45 > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 06:33:11 EST > From: ScotHeritage@aol.com > To: JACOBITES-L@rootsweb.com > > As hard as it is to say I feel I must comment on the romantic image of the > Jacobyte. Perhaps I should explain that I grew up a Jacobyte and I am still a > "HARD CORE NATIONALIST." Just so there is no mistake in case of any slant in > what I am about to write. My first language is/was Gaelic. I grew up running > over the heather hills of the North West Coast in a house where a peat fire > burned and our history was still taught over the fire at night in the Gaelic > and the bible was read every day in the Gaelic. Later as a wee boy in > Inverness there was many a day we cycled out to Culloden to play at > rebellion. There was a deep pride and respect when we saw the massed graves > etc. There were signs of rebellion in every inch of the town, (a lot of it > has been knocked down in the recent past). OK so you will agree that you > cannot get much more Highland than me, at least by the stereotypes. > > The best thing that ever happened to Scotland was the fall of the Stuart's > and the tragic loss at Culloden. B.P.C. would have reigned from London same > as all the other Stuart's. Culloden was more a civil war than a war of > Independence, (Last time I shall admit to this). As with most nations it was > the economy that cause changes. We went to war for money and power, we built > an empire for money and power, and we migrated because of money and power, > and all the pipes and all the tartan wrapped heather in the world will not > change that reality. Now back to the romance it is a much easier pill to > swallow. > Dave > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Edgar : English Jacobite /Regular army recruits > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 08:01:41 -0500 > From: William Lockhart <wlockhart@brooksdata.net> > To: JACOBITES-L@rootsweb.com > > Mark, > As a Scottish descendant in the "Texas Colony", I > have to admit we do deserve the horrible > reputation in capital punishment and the > expenditures on prisons now exceeds higher education. > It seems that when a people emigrate, they bring > with them the worst of the original culture. The > French in Canada and Louisiana for instance and > the Ulster Scots here in Texas. I imagine only > Pennsylvania out does Texas is Scottish surnames, > even on a per capita basis. > The Ku Klux Klan is an Ulster Scot institution > that brings shame all over this land. Our greatest > challenge is the prevention of a military coup de > e'tat in the United States, and we could see a > horrible worldwide holocaust. > > > > treated as traitors, > > rather than as > > prisoners-of-war. He and most of his Captains were among the last men in > > Britain to suffer the dreadful punishment of being hung, cut down just > > before they were dead, having their entrails removed while they were alive > > and then if they hadn't died with shock or loss of blood, watched as the > > axeman put them out of their misery. This was the execution William Wallace > > faced 450 years earlier. We weren't that terribly much more civilised almost > > half a millennium later!! > > > > Many places still are not. Many of the less civilized countries still have > > the death penalty. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Perth > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 08:07:33 -0500 > From: William Lockhart <wlockhart@brooksdata.net> > To: JACOBITES-L@rootsweb.com > > Many Utopian socialist moved to PA and Ohio. And a > few colonies moved on the Texas Panhandle. Swisher > County, is very Celtish and votes liberal, while > the Panhandle is the most conservation part of Texas. > These people established Co-Ops to share > machinery, all farmer would help each other out at > harvest time, etc. > The Tulia Herald was one of the really great > American small town newspapers. Tulia is the > county seat. > > ScotHeritage@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 28/10/99 1:11:21 PM Central Standard Time, dsaban@trib.com > > writes: > > > > << We are researching a couple who were married in 1739 in Perth. His name > > was > > John Sabine, a soldier of this parish, and Ann Deer, of this parish. > > > > Since he was listed as soldier, we are presuming he was of the regular army > > such as the Black Watch. Any ideas on how to trace him and what happened to > > him? > > > > The 42nd was in Flanders at that time. Try the regimental museum in Perth, or > > the Scottish Museum in Edinburgh. > > > > I also have a unique situation that brings up the subject of the Highland > > migration south. My grandmother was a Meikle, and the family immigrated to > > the USA around 1875. I have them traced in Lanark, technically a lowland > > county. The more I learn about Lanark the more I realize how it became the > > melting pot of > > Scotland. My grandmother spoke Gaelic as well as English, and had in her > > possession a set of bagpipes and a blue/green tartan (well worn). It has > > puzzled me how a Lanark family would be speaking Gaelic and have such things > > as bagpipes and tartans. > > > > Lanark was the sight chosen by "The Utopian Socialists", to attempt to > > revolutionize society and was the most advance area to live in at the period. > > (Beginning of Industrial Revolution.) Each worker had a flat, (apartment), > > each child went to school, each family had medical coverage, and it was all > > supplied by the company. Perhaps the best known of the group to America is > > Adam Smith, the father of modern economics, and probably capitalism as we > > know it. (How to anger an Englishman; Scotland the Birth Place of Adam Smith, > > England the grave of Karl Marks hehhe) Why Gaels in the area. 1; sheep > > taking over the land, 2: work in the South. The tenements filled very fast > > with Highlanders and Islanders who were being driven from the land. Glasgow > > had Gaelic congregation the churches, the Highland regiments found a right > > haven of sympathy when the began to mutiny, and there was a great feeling of > > Republicanism in the area at the time. (Not a political Party, a government > > without a King.) There is a place called the Highlandman's Umbrella in > > Glasgow, and it is an arch where the Gaels would gather to exchange news and > > stories and just to socializes and find out what was going on at home. > > Hope this helps a little bit. > > > > We recently took the Meikle line back to a > > marriage in Perth in 1750 between James Meikle, of Lesmahagow and Janet > > Taylor of Perth. Janet was the daughter of George Taylor and Janet > > Stirling. > > > > Would like some suggestions on where to go from here to uncover the Gaelic > > in this family. > > > > Don and Mary in Wyoming > > > >