Hi folks, Just wanted to record the appreciation of the Jacobite list to Iain for coming up trumps as I knew he would. Can I also mention Dave, alias ScotHeritage, formerly The Exile. Dave is a born Highlander, now living in "exile" who always contributes well to topics, but sometimes he and I disagree about interpretation and that's healthy. It's just that Dave usually reprints the sender's message and interlines his comments or expresses his views. It may look as though he is simply re-posting the original author's message, but if you read it carefully, which I hope you will do, he often adds important, though usually controversial views. For example on this topic HE raised the fact that some countries still apply the death sentence, NOT ME. Dave is perfectly entitles to state such a view and as Listowner of Jacobites I wish to encourage such free expressions,because history would be very dull if we all share the same views. After this posting can I ask my Jacobite members not to keep re-sending this set of postings as I only wished to "stray" on to the list of our friends in britregiments because the particular point Paul raised, in my view was of interest to that list as well and of course I was seeking Iain's input. To all our friends in britregiments I say thanks for your encouragement and hard work on that list and to my own members in Jacobites I say keep up the good work, our new list seems to have got off to a flying start and the more, the merrier. Mark Genealogist: Clan Sutherland Co-genealogist: Clan Mackenzie see my web-site: http://www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Iain Kerr <iainkerr@clara.net> To: Mark Sutherland-Fisher <mark@highland-family-heritage.co.uk> Cc: <JACOBITES-L@rootsweb.com>; Paul Dwerryhouse <Paul.Dwerryhouse@tesco.net>; <britregiments@egroups.com> Sent: 30 October 1999 04:07 Subject: [britregiments] Re: Edgar : English Jacobite /Regular armyrecruits > At 00:08 29/10/99 , Mark Sutherland-Fisher wrote: > >Hi Paul and list and friends in the Brit Regiment list, > >I am no expert on all matters Jacobite or anything like it. However as I > >said, the one place they successfully recruited in England during the > >march to Derby, was in Lancashire, after they captured Carlisle. These > >recruits were assumed into the Manchester Regiment commanded by the brave, > >(but as history proved naive or foolish) Col. Francis Townley. It also > >"sucked up" the stragglers and deserters from the Regular army. > >Unfortunately Townley volunteered his regiment to hold Carlisle during the > >retreat and when he surrendered, he and his men were treated as traitors, > >rather than as prisoners-of-war. He and most of his Captains were among > >the last men in Britain to suffer the dreadful punishment of being hung, > >cut down just before they were dead, having their entrails removed while > >they were alive and then if they hadn't died with shock or loss of blood, > >watched as the axeman put them out of their misery. This was the execution > >William Wallace faced 450 years earlier. We weren't that terribly much > >more civilised almost half a millennium later!! > >Anyway I am not sure about all the sources of Muster Rolls in England and > >hopefully Iain Kerr will see this posting and give a far more eloquent > >answer than I ever can. Iain as you read this along with all the other > >Brit Regiment "troops", don't blush because you will probably forget more > >about British military history than most of the rest of us will ever learn. > > Mark, > > Flattery will get you anything, well almost! And thanks for that jolly > snapshot of the campaign of 1745-46! > > The Muster Rolls of the British Army are held in the Public record Office, > Kew, Surrey. The Pay Lists and Muster Rolls were a monthly summary > submitted quarterly to the War Office by each regiment. They offer the > means of establishing the soldier's date of enlistment, his movements > throughout the world and his date of discharge or death. The first entry > may show his age on enlistment, as well as the place where he enlisted. An > entry on the form 'men becoming non-effective', sometimes found at the end > of each quarter's muster, shows the birthplace, trade and date of > enlistment of any soldier discharged or dying during the quarter. > > From about 1868 to about 1883, at the end of each muster (or the beginning > for regiments stationed in India), may be found a marriage roll, which > lists wives and children for whom married quarters were provided - who were > "on the strength". (Note that there was only a limited scale of official > married quarters. Some soldiers managed to have their wives and families > accompany them as "camp followers".) > > The main series of muster books and pay lists are arranged by regiment and > are bound in volumes covering a period of twelve months. They were compiled > monthly. They are in the following separate classes for: > > Unit Dates Class reference > Artillery 1708-1878 WO 10 > Engineers 1816-1878 WO 11 > General 1732-1878 WO 12 > Militia and Volunteers 1780-1878 WO 13 > New series 1878-1898 WO 16 > Scutari Depot 1854-1856 WO 14 > Foreign Legions 1854-1856 WO 15 > > WO 12 includes household troops, cavalry, Foot Guards, regular infantry, > special regiments and corps, colonial troops, various foreign legions and > regiments, and regimental, brigade and other depots. WO 14 and WO 15 relate > to troops engaged in the Crimean War. > > Yours aye, Iain > In Windsor, Berkshire > > Web Page at: http://home.clara.net/iainkerr/index.htm > Rootsweb Sponsor Listowner for the KERR; McTURK and SOUTHON lists. > Maintainer of the Ayrshire Surnames Database at: > http://home.clara.net/iainkerr/genuki/AYR/SID/indexsid.htm > Maintainer of the GENUKI Ayrshire pages at: > http://home.clara.net/iainkerr/genuki/AYR/index.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Imagine a credit card with a 0% Intro APR and Instant Approval. > It seems impossible, but it's not. Visit GetSmart.com's Credit Card > Finder and click on instant approval cards right now at > http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/1272 > > > Check out the Millennial Archive at > http://www.millennial-archive.com/index.html?AffiliateID=MA011 > > >